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Good discussion on Game On last night about training and how long before possible games that teams would need to be training before full intensity games. I was thinking, have no idea, but maybe first few series of games will be more attacking and freeflowing as players nowhere near normal fitness and aggression levels and teams more prone to mistakes. Would it be shrewder for teams to concentrate a bit less on energy sapping densive workand take more risks?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8153 - 15/04/2020 13:44:09    2276028

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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8153 - 15/04/2020 14:19:00    2276031

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Ah hear yis are not still going on about when games might return this year! I know nobody, including myself, really knows but the chances must be exceptionally slim. I think the GAAs statement yesterday sounded ridiculously optimistic and should have stopped at saying the games in May are off and we can't plan anything at this time and if that means 2021 so be it.

In my view, forget it 2020 is over, done and dusted. There will be no games, club or county at any level. If we're back full pelt this time next year that's even being optimistic in my opinion.

How can they allow GAA games to return if say rugby can't return and there is no chance it can return. Just think of a scrum and the risks of infection spreading each time one takes place.

First thing to be relaxed will be some employments so as to get some people back working again and off the dole. Then sit tight for a month (allowing for two week incubation and two more weeks to see if there's a spike) and hope we keep the curve down. Then the rest might be able to return to work and if so we sit tight for another month to see how that goes. Then the leaving cert in August, and again we sit tight (all the while sport is nowhere near a priority consideration) then the rest of the schools in maybe mid September all the while keeping social distancing as far as possible. That'll bring us into October at the earliest and that's only assuming we don't let the curve spike upwards, if we do everything is back to square one where we are now. At that stage the advice will be this is as far as relaxation measures can go so we're told to ride out the winter and a return to sport can only happen next spring and even at that it might be too soon. Hear what the CMO said yesterday about social distancing continuing til we have a vaccine and that means when everyone can get it not when it's developed.

We'll do well to have a championship in 2021 and I'd say very lucky to see the leagues start next spring. In opinion no chance of anything this year.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1604 - 15/04/2020 17:14:17    2276040

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Good discussion on Game On last night about training and how long before possible games that teams would need to be training before full intensity games. I was thinking, have no idea, but maybe first few series of games will be more attacking and freeflowing as players nowhere near normal fitness and aggression levels and teams more prone to mistakes. Would it be shrewder for teams to concentrate a bit less on energy sapping densive workand take more risks?"
Part of the problem in modern GAA is overtraining and over involvement of sport science and psychology. This has led to the chaos of overspending and professionalisation of an amateur game damaging young adults professional and personal lives. Wouldn't be overly concerned about allowing alot of time for training prior to games commencing. Once a go ahead is announced, which I very much doubt it will be this year, allow the players a month with clubs alone with their friends, communities and families before discussing intercounty. A preliminary competition could be run off before heat of championship.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 732 - 15/04/2020 17:34:09    2276041

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Replying To Talking_Sense:  "Yes agree. Think GAA heirarchy know football and hurling is all but over. As I said before we are lockdown to May and if you give it 8 weeks to unwind everything even in a best case scenario, that means no football to end of July. If the virus is still here in June , then thats July and August gone. Ye can work it out and it looks bleak, unless it just up's and vanishes. Sure teams sports going to be away down the food chain for social distancing."
Yeah. Even in best case scenario, it would be August or September. So it's best to say, it's over lads. Here's our bumper year for 2021 starting league in January no preseason games this year, but the two opening rounds gate receipts will go to injured players fund.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/04/2020 17:48:16    2276042

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Once soccer and rugby is back. The GAA is back. Simple as.

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1208 - 15/04/2020 18:39:50    2276044

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Once soccer and rugby is back. The GAA is back. Simple as."
On its not that simple. Dr.Fauci spoke about sport returning this summer but only without fans and under strict guidelines where players are isolated in hotels and screened weekly for Covid....now tell me how that would be possible in an ameteur game where players work and can't be put up in luxury hotels and training camps....

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11679 - 15/04/2020 18:48:24    2276045

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Good discussion on Game On last night about training and how long before possible games that teams would need to be training before full intensity games. I was thinking, have no idea, but maybe first few series of games will be more attacking and freeflowing as players nowhere near normal fitness and aggression levels and teams more prone to mistakes. Would it be shrewder for teams to concentrate a bit less on energy sapping densive workand take more risks?"
Part of the problem in modern GAA is overtraining and over involvement of sport science and psychology. This has led to the chaos of overspending and professionalisation of an amateur game damaging young adults professional and personal lives. Wouldn't be overly concerned about allowing alot of time for training prior to games commencing. Once a go ahead is announced, which I very much doubt it will be this year, allow the players a month with clubs alone with their friends, communities and families before discussing intercounty. A preliminary competition could be run off before heat of championship."
Sport science and psychology being involved is far from bad thing and is far from why counties are spending the high levels they are on senior county squads.
What exactly is a preliminary competition anyway?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3786 - 15/04/2020 18:58:50    2276046

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Once soccer and rugby is back. The GAA is back. Simple as."
That statement is wrong. Soccer and rugby players and thousands of people rely on professional sports soccer and rugby for income to support their lives. GAA does not fall into this category. Ultimately if there is no soccer or rugby, the players are unlikely to get paid in the long run and the higher the stakes, the more the losses and the bigger the risks they will take. The GAA players can take it or leave depending on risks and given any risk I feel it would be more the later and rightly so. In short professional sports will be back first and GAA would be extremely foolish to compete with this.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 732 - 15/04/2020 19:04:33    2276047

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Good discussion on Game On last night about training and how long before possible games that teams would need to be training before full intensity games. I was thinking, have no idea, but maybe first few series of games will be more attacking and freeflowing as players nowhere near normal fitness and aggression levels and teams more prone to mistakes. Would it be shrewder for teams to concentrate a bit less on energy sapping densive workand take more risks?"
Part of the problem in modern GAA is overtraining and over involvement of sport science and psychology. This has led to the chaos of overspending and professionalisation of an amateur game damaging young adults professional and personal lives. Wouldn't be overly concerned about allowing alot of time for training prior to games commencing. Once a go ahead is announced, which I very much doubt it will be this year, allow the players a month with clubs alone with their friends, communities and families before discussing intercounty. A preliminary competition could be run off before heat of championship."
Over training is an issue at all levels of the sport. From teenagers up. Far too many players train too much for too many teams theyre playing on
Teams are doing too many collective sessions in many cases while also expecting players to do so many gym and conditioning sessions on top of that while not playing enough games
Sport science and sports psychology being used is not really an issue though is it. Care to show how each are causing big problems?
What preliminary competition would you be playing beforehand?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3786 - 15/04/2020 19:41:11    2276054

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Good discussion on Game On last night about training and how long before possible games that teams would need to be training before full intensity games. I was thinking, have no idea, but maybe first few series of games will be more attacking and freeflowing as players nowhere near normal fitness and aggression levels and teams more prone to mistakes. Would it be shrewder for teams to concentrate a bit less on energy sapping densive workand take more risks?"
Part of the problem in modern GAA is overtraining and over involvement of sport science and psychology. This has led to the chaos of overspending and professionalisation of an amateur game damaging young adults professional and personal lives. Wouldn't be overly concerned about allowing alot of time for training prior to games commencing. Once a go ahead is announced, which I very much doubt it will be this year, allow the players a month with clubs alone with their friends, communities and families before discussing intercounty. A preliminary competition could be run off before heat of championship."
Over training is an issue at all levels of the sport. From teenagers up. Far too many players train too much for too many teams theyre playing on
Teams are doing too many collective sessions in many cases while also expecting players to do so many gym and conditioning sessions on top of that while not playing enough games
Sport science and sports psychology being used is not really an issue though is it. Care to show how each are causing big problems?
What preliminary competition would you be playing beforehand?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3786 - 15/04/2020 19:41:11    2276055

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Good discussion on Game On last night about training and how long before possible games that teams would need to be training before full intensity games. I was thinking, have no idea, but maybe first few series of games will be more attacking and freeflowing as players nowhere near normal fitness and aggression levels and teams more prone to mistakes. Would it be shrewder for teams to concentrate a bit less on energy sapping densive workand take more risks?"
Part of the problem in modern GAA is overtraining and over involvement of sport science and psychology. This has led to the chaos of overspending and professionalisation of an amateur game damaging young adults professional and personal lives. Wouldn't be overly concerned about allowing alot of time for training prior to games commencing. Once a go ahead is announced, which I very much doubt it will be this year, allow the players a month with clubs alone with their friends, communities and families before discussing intercounty. A preliminary competition could be run off before heat of championship."
Over training is an issue at all levels of the sport. From teenagers up. Far too many players train too much for too many teams theyre playing on
Teams are doing too many collective sessions in many cases while also expecting players to do so many gym and conditioning sessions on top of that while not playing enough games
Sport science and sports psychology being used is not really an issue though is it. Care to show how each are causing big problems?
What preliminary competition would you be playing beforehand?"]My point about sports psychology and sports science while beneficial at times, they may be overemphasized and extremely expensive in some cases in an amateur sport such as GAA given the small percentage it may have as an overall contribution to improvement. Sport is untimely about ability, talent, work rate and organisation. These will almost win out every time regardless of what sports science or psychology brings. Regarding a preliminary competition, it obviously would depend on the time of year but perhaps something like the Centenary Cup or a similar one off competition on the back of all the hurt and limitations that have gone on before us may be worthwhile if ran off quickly. I have a feeling when the end comes, it won't fit perfectly into a calendar year so something like this may be required rather than traditional competitions.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 732 - 15/04/2020 20:14:08    2276058

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Replying To winatallcost:  "That statement is wrong. Soccer and rugby players and thousands of people rely on professional sports soccer and rugby for income to support their lives. GAA does not fall into this category. Ultimately if there is no soccer or rugby, the players are unlikely to get paid in the long run and the higher the stakes, the more the losses and the bigger the risks they will take. The GAA players can take it or leave depending on risks and given any risk I feel it would be more the later and rightly so. In short professional sports will be back first and GAA would be extremely foolish to compete with this."
So when the league of Ireland is back, the gaa won't be? Connaught and Ulster will be playing matches but Donegal won't be? Can't see it.

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1208 - 15/04/2020 20:28:16    2276060

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yeah. Even in best case scenario, it would be August or September. So it's best to say, it's over lads. Here's our bumper year for 2021 starting league in January no preseason games this year, but the two opening rounds gate receipts will go to injured players fund."
Not trying to start a row with you, for a change, but why do we need preseason competitions for injured players who already pay for their own insurance?

The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 214 - 15/04/2020 20:28:19    2276061

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Replying To yew_tree:  "On its not that simple. Dr.Fauci spoke about sport returning this summer but only without fans and under strict guidelines where players are isolated in hotels and screened weekly for Covid....now tell me how that would be possible in an ameteur game where players work and can't be put up in luxury hotels and training camps...."
That's fair enough. So what your saying in short is that Dublin will be the only team able to put forward a team? :)
Joking. What they do in the Premiership will be interesting for other sports

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1208 - 15/04/2020 20:31:41    2276062

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Good discussion on Game On last night about training and how long before possible games that teams would need to be training before full intensity games. I was thinking, have no idea, but maybe first few series of games will be more attacking and freeflowing as players nowhere near normal fitness and aggression levels and teams more prone to mistakes. Would it be shrewder for teams to concentrate a bit less on energy sapping densive workand take more risks?"
Part of the problem in modern GAA is overtraining and over involvement of sport science and psychology. This has led to the chaos of overspending and professionalisation of an amateur game damaging young adults professional and personal lives. Wouldn't be overly concerned about allowing alot of time for training prior to games commencing. Once a go ahead is announced, which I very much doubt it will be this year, allow the players a month with clubs alone with their friends, communities and families before discussing intercounty. A preliminary competition could be run off before heat of championship."
Over training is an issue at all levels of the sport. From teenagers up. Far too many players train too much for too many teams theyre playing on
Teams are doing too many collective sessions in many cases while also expecting players to do so many gym and conditioning sessions on top of that while not playing enough games
Sport science and sports psychology being used is not really an issue though is it. Care to show how each are causing big problems?
What preliminary competition would you be playing beforehand?"]My point about sports psychology and sports science while beneficial at times, they may be overemphasized and extremely expensive in some cases in an amateur sport such as GAA given the small percentage it may have as an overall contribution to improvement. Sport is untimely about ability, talent, work rate and organisation. These will almost win out every time regardless of what sports science or psychology brings. Regarding a preliminary competition, it obviously would depend on the time of year but perhaps something like the Centenary Cup or a similar one off competition on the back of all the hurt and limitations that have gone on before us may be worthwhile if ran off quickly. I have a feeling when the end comes, it won't fit perfectly into a calendar year so something like this may be required rather than traditional competitions."]Sport science is about movement, physiology etc
How is that over emphasized exactly? What is wrong with using sports scientists who's entire focus is getting the best results through a scientific approach of gaining better understanding of how the human body works.
It and psychology are only really used at the elite level of the sport where it's about 1% gains and 1% can have a huge variance on results of games.
Sport is about talent and all that you list and psychological assistance be it mindfulness and any other approach are to get the best out of players involved. Why is that a bad thing?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3786 - 15/04/2020 20:56:31    2276067

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They are discussing the liklihood of Sport being played this year on the Tonightv Show with Matt Cooper at 10. Which will be slim enough.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2894 - 15/04/2020 21:12:20    2276068

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "They are discussing the liklihood of Sport being played this year on the Tonightv Show with Matt Cooper at 10. Which will be slim enough."
Slim or none I'd say. And while it makes for a good topic on a talk show what does anyone really know? Your guess is as good as mine or vice versa.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2587 - 15/04/2020 22:39:11    2276074

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Slim or none I'd say. And while it makes for a good topic on a talk show what does anyone really know? Your guess is as good as mine or vice versa."
Nobody does know but you write as if they shouldnt be discussing this?
At some stage there has to be opening up of events and stores to prevent a complete economic meltdown and push towards recession

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3786 - 16/04/2020 15:21:17    2276107

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Good discussion on Game On last night about training and how long before possible games that teams would need to be training before full intensity games. I was thinking, have no idea, but maybe first few series of games will be more attacking and freeflowing as players nowhere near normal fitness and aggression levels and teams more prone to mistakes. Would it be shrewder for teams to concentrate a bit less on energy sapping densive workand take more risks?"
The issue that both club and county teams are going to face when they return is the lack of exposure to full on sprinting and fast change of direction in a game. The first few games back from the layoff will be very high risk for injuries.

I would anticipate a flood of hamstring injuries especially. Could be that the teams that mitigate these risks the best and keep their important players fit to play will prosper.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 16/04/2020 16:25:47    2276108

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