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Newstalk Off the Ball: "GAA have released their set of accounts as part of Director General Tom Ryan's review of 2019 It reveals there are 14 members of the senior executive team, with the salaries of this team amounting to €1,761, 840 in 2019. The salaries are not declared for individual executives. The median salary of the 14 is €125, 845" https://www.offtheball.com/football/gaa-executive-pay-croke-park-averaged-e125845-2019-965684 centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 12/02/2020 09:26:13 2267212 Link
Mad money, Gaa in a worrying place with players dropping off panels left right and center and these numpties getting paid top dollar sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1144 - 12/02/2020 09:50:23 2267217 Link
What they should be working for free? Plus it is one of the best run sporting structures around if you look at it objectively and take off the goggles and put back in the other eye. You pay peanuts you get monkeys. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 12/02/2020 12:40:59 2267274 Link
Replying To witnof: "What they should be working for free? Plus it is one of the best run sporting structures around if you look at it objectively and take off the goggles and put back in the other eye. You pay peanuts you get monkeys." so why should the players play for free then. the ones who generate a huge proportion of the revenue centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 12/02/2020 13:16:30 2267287 Link
Is profit not re invested back into the game? Now we can argue it's not distributed equally but it's not like Croke Park are sitting on cash splashing around in it....? If we pay players should we pay the countless volunteers that keep clubs running up and down the country? yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 12/02/2020 13:52:32 2267298 Link
Replying To centerfield: "so why should the players play for free then. the ones who generate a huge proportion of the revenue" Not enough money in it to be professional but you need the expertise in place to make it function. If you paid the industrial wage nobody with any skills would apply. ABK67 (Meath) - Posts: 62 - 12/02/2020 14:40:18 2267318 Link
Replying To centerfield: "so why should the players play for free then. the ones who generate a huge proportion of the revenue" So who is going to do all the administrative work, organisation etc? Be real. It is a big structure and needs full time work, and then go and compare it to other sports and see how well it is run. And how they plough back so much. If you want it for free then only retired can do it.................and good look with that as the structure would collapse witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 12/02/2020 14:44:44 2267321 Link
Replying To witnof: "So who is going to do all the administrative work, organisation etc? Be real. It is a big structure and needs full time work, and then go and compare it to other sports and see how well it is run. And how they plough back so much. If you want it for free then only retired can do it.................and good look with that as the structure would collapse" You are 100% correct. Top execs in Croke Park must be professionals and paid a professional salary. I have absolutely no problem with them being paid well. And fyi €125k for top execs in a business as large as the GAA is not top dollar. I do have an issue further down the food chain with the full time county secretaries. Again it is not necessarily the salary it is the job for life aspect of it. A lot of counties are run in a very amateurish fashion and I wonder are these people held accountable with proper goals and objectives and periodic reviews. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1826 - 12/02/2020 15:25:15 2267334 Link
Replying To witnof: "So who is going to do all the administrative work, organisation etc? Be real. It is a big structure and needs full time work, and then go and compare it to other sports and see how well it is run. And how they plough back so much. If you want it for free then only retired can do it.................and good look with that as the structure would collapse" Its not well run if you come from a county outside Dublin. Dublin are the county majority of the money these Business men generate goes too. Its a crisis levels with lads dropping out and the enjoyment going out of the game due to the Gaa pumping so much money into Dublin they are now basically professional. These overpaid indiviuals are definitely not a well run oganisation if you peep your head outside Dublin. And i dont think the should do it for free but the wages are completely ridiculous when the game is the way it is at the moment. Last year games were not refixed in the league due to the fixture crisis did the amadan over them get a pay increase? I bet he did and he most definitely under performed sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1144 - 12/02/2020 15:35:52 2267341 Link
The first thing to do is reduce the size of panels. Leave these players at home with their clubs not warming the bench for the year. 23 to 25 is sufficient. Then tackle these backroom teams many who are milking it. Professionals on the back of amateur players. A manager, coach, doctor, physio, and the choice of two more. No you can't have a goalie coach, a free taking coach, mental coach, etc.etc.etc. Limit the expenses to the going rate for travelling expenses. All these expenses paid by a central expenses department for all counties. No more under the table perks for managers and counties caught doing this throw them out. If not then lets go pro and everyone get a share not the chosen few who are now milking it. However I suspect keeping it low profile is so not to draw attention to the upper tier that are doing pretty well from it also. Does anyone know the payroll and salary of all paid jobs? Is it public information ? Tom Ryan is quick to make certain figures available. How about he make another very public statement on these numbers. My guess again that he just wants to clip around the sides to get this control but making sure not to dig too deep and create a bigger smell. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 12/02/2020 15:57:37 2267349 Link
Replying To centerfield: "so why should the players play for free then. the ones who generate a huge proportion of the revenue" You are totally correct. It amazing me how people are o.k. with high paying jobs for some but side step any reward for the players. O they don't have to play. See how that would go? Who would not love a business where the raw material was all free. Yes profits are returned to create more free material. However in between there are great jobs that posters on here believe should exists with no concern as to how good these jobs are. Johnie down the road from me has no job but is a great inter county player and helping prop up these high paying jobs as suggested here. The GAA is well run organization and it takes these jobs to make it function as such but it discriminates against the very hand that feeds it. THE PLAYER. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 12/02/2020 16:22:30 2267352 Link
Replying To Canuck: "The first thing to do is reduce the size of panels. Leave these players at home with their clubs not warming the bench for the year. 23 to 25 is sufficient. Then tackle these backroom teams many who are milking it. Professionals on the back of amateur players. A manager, coach, doctor, physio, and the choice of two more. No you can't have a goalie coach, a free taking coach, mental coach, etc.etc.etc. Limit the expenses to the going rate for travelling expenses. All these expenses paid by a central expenses department for all counties. No more under the table perks for managers and counties caught doing this throw them out. If not then lets go pro and everyone get a share not the chosen few who are now milking it. However I suspect keeping it low profile is so not to draw attention to the upper tier that are doing pretty well from it also. Does anyone know the payroll and salary of all paid jobs? Is it public information ? Tom Ryan is quick to make certain figures available. How about he make another very public statement on these numbers. My guess again that he just wants to clip around the sides to get this control but making sure not to dig too deep and create a bigger smell." Name any team any any elite level of sport that keeps such a small squad in a high intensity physical sport? You automatically halt progress of standards on the pitch if you limit the backroom teams to level you suggest and at top level you need far more than 1 physio/doc per team. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3496 - 12/02/2020 17:19:00 2267363 Link
Just look at club teams ,high profile managers plus a coach a physio a dietician and a strength and conditioning coach , then they want to rent out gyms and alweathers , tracksuits kit bags tops training gear subsidized ,and numerous other things that go into it. So if the gaa want to sort out this problem it will take clubs as well as county boards to start thinking these are not professional sports hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 12/02/2020 18:00:00 2267367 Link
I don't have a problem having paid people in charge of running the Organisation. I do have a problem with highly paid people overseeing decisions and changes which have changed the face of the GAA for the worse (in my opinion) in this last couple of decades. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 12/02/2020 18:33:48 2267371 Link
Replying To KillingFields: "Name any team any any elite level of sport that keeps such a small squad in a high intensity physical sport? You automatically halt progress of standards on the pitch if you limit the backroom teams to level you suggest and at top level you need far more than 1 physio/doc per team." Is this the elite top level sport, played by amateurs for nothing but serviced by professionals getting paid for their services. What about leaving the club game flourish and cutting the sh-t out of this spending to ensure that happens in every little town club, parish city communities etc. around the country. The inter county game existed before all the professional paid support arrived and will exist if they all disappear again. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 12/02/2020 18:44:59 2267377 Link
Replying To ABK67: "Not enough money in it to be professional but you need the expertise in place to make it function. If you paid the industrial wage nobody with any skills would apply." But theres enough money to pay 1.7 million to 14 people in 2019. if you put that 1.7 million in terms of gate receipts it would take 42500 tickets at 40 euro a head. if that rate of pay continued for 10 years that would total 17 million over a 10 year period whilst players are expected to get exactly ZERO out of it because of the so called "amateur ethos". The market is not big enough for full time professionalism, it certainly is big enough for semi pro. The simplest framework would probably be full expenses plus match day fees for all players and named subs for league and championship matches. centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 12/02/2020 19:44:57 2267389 Link
Replying To Mayonman: "You are 100% correct. Top execs in Croke Park must be professionals and paid a professional salary. I have absolutely no problem with them being paid well. And fyi €125k for top execs in a business as large as the GAA is not top dollar. I do have an issue further down the food chain with the full time county secretaries. Again it is not necessarily the salary it is the job for life aspect of it. A lot of counties are run in a very amateurish fashion and I wonder are these people held accountable with proper goals and objectives and periodic reviews." is zero pay top dollar for the people who supporters pay money to watch. The players. centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 12/02/2020 19:50:40 2267391 Link
' Smell of money leaving a stench'. Joe Brolly in the Independent today says it as it is. The corruption in the GAA with the pursuit of money to pay managers and coaching staff is criminal. We have lost the arguement within the debate on amateur -v- professionalism. We are paying to go to games and support our clubs and the money is being used primarily to pay wages to managers at all levels in club and county games. IssacBall (Derry) - Posts: 51 - 16/02/2020 14:05:27 2267940 Link
Replying To IssacBall: "' Smell of money leaving a stench'. Joe Brolly in the Independent today says it as it is. The corruption in the GAA with the pursuit of money to pay managers and coaching staff is criminal. We have lost the arguement within the debate on amateur -v- professionalism. We are paying to go to games and support our clubs and the money is being used primarily to pay wages to managers at all levels in club and county games." And I assume Joe writes all these articles for free and makes no money off the back of the GAA Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 16/02/2020 15:18:31 2267954 Link
Replying To centerfield: "so why should the players play for free then. the ones who generate a huge proportion of the revenue" So the clubs generate nothing! Without the clubs you would have no county players or county teams. County Boards are pumping in excess of 50% of income into county teams and these costs have risen 100% over 10 years. Now I know that county player commit a lot, but the problem is all the gurus /management team associated and do not tell me the are all experts at what they do. Witnof quote 'Plus it is one of the best run sporting structures around if you look at it objectively and take off the goggles and put back in the other eye. You pay peanuts you get monkeys'. -Pretty silly comment you can get monkeys by paying excessive amounts top - not sure where the goggles are, look at the children hospital!! Paying guys well do not make them do a better job. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 16/02/2020 16:36:44 2267969 Link