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Kildare V Mayo

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Does anyone know when the decision will be made? Must be unsettling for all 4 teams.
Rumours it could be played in Tullamore or Port? Do they expect Tyrone and Cavan to travel all the way there when Brewster or clones would be perfect.
It's a mess and it's the GAA's fault.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2092 - 27/06/2018 08:32:51    2115712

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Funny i was chatting to a few lads out in North Kildare club today, would have a few Leixlip, Kilcock, Maynooth lads on it, they were saying Croker was handier for them but would back the county obvs.

But funny point, im not sure if Croke Park is closer to some parts of Kildare then Newbridge. I know its the county ground etc."
Of course that's true for some parts of North Kildare but it's allso completely irrelevant. Not one Kildare person wants this game in Newbridge for reasons of it being closer to home. It's a footballing decision. It's called 'home advantage' for a reason.

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 27/06/2018 09:22:58    2115721

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Replying To OhtobeARossie:  "Stand yer ground KIldare, We did it.
Its yer home game not to be dictated by politics and money."
I think it's a disgrace that Croke Park can't abide by their own rules and Kildare r quite within their right to uphold those rules and every other County in Ireland should stand behind them .Mayo should do the honourable thing and demand the game should not be played at Croke Park because that wasn't wher it was drawn to be played but I doubt if they will according to John Maughan as the advantage has now been handed to Mayo .Rules r rules and if the GAA can't abide by them why should anybody else abide by them. Stand your ground Kildare u r in the right .

gaanervous (Donegal) - Posts: 186 - 27/06/2018 09:27:58    2115723

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "You are missed informed. Round 3 is not subjected to CCC. Only from the 4th round onwards. We are entitled to home venue. The GAa have broken their own rules. We in Kildare are standing up not only for ourselves but for the whole GAA community.We are greatly encouraged by the support throughout the country.
The rumbling of discontent against the Ivory tower s in Croke Park has been going on for several years now. The GAA should work from the bottom up not the dictatorship from the top down. The stance that Kildare have taken is the catalyst for change is for all of us . The issue now is to take back our great games from the suits in Croke Park who would and have preferred concerts in CP instead of our games. The revolution has started. Our games belong to us. If push comes to shove we can survive without Cp but they can't surive without US"
For the umpteenth time.

Not sure if you are following the thread - its in there. Not inclined to post it again.

There are TWO contradictory statements in the rules. Kildare picked the one the wanted and ignored the other. So they are 50% right, not 100%. Its open to interpretation. You cant quote one rule and not the other.

No doubt about it they have a case. But they are NOT automatically entitled to home venue because the rules are flawed/contradictory. My main point was they way the went about it when it was open to interpretation was at best clumsy.

(By the way - any questioning of Kildare is not support for the big bad corporates against the "grassroots" that some on here would have everyone believe). Its a sporting organisation we belong to not a cult.

Solo_Run (Leitrim) - Posts: 217 - 27/06/2018 09:45:01    2115736

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Replying To Solo_Run:  "For the umpteenth time.

Not sure if you are following the thread - its in there. Not inclined to post it again.

There are TWO contradictory statements in the rules. Kildare picked the one the wanted and ignored the other. So they are 50% right, not 100%. Its open to interpretation. You cant quote one rule and not the other.

No doubt about it they have a case. But they are NOT automatically entitled to home venue because the rules are flawed/contradictory. My main point was they way the went about it when it was open to interpretation was at best clumsy.

(By the way - any questioning of Kildare is not support for the big bad corporates against the "grassroots" that some on here would have everyone believe). Its a sporting organisation we belong to not a cult."
That's the biggest load of nonsense I've heard on any forum for a long time ,stand your ground Kildare we r right behind u Up Kildare .

gaanervous (Donegal) - Posts: 186 - 27/06/2018 09:56:22    2115741

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Replying To mayo_123:  "I have no sympathy for kildare mayo and a lot of other counties are in depth getting stands and their grounds up to standard if a county cannot hold a min of 150000 in this day and age then sorry but they can have no complaints kildare have being playing all their championship games in croke park so they no strangers to it so kildare county board get her house in order and get a bigger ground"
Not sure we have any stadium in Ireland even Europe that would hold 150000 one hundred and fifty thousand supporters.

In defense of Kildare they like every county read the same rules up to and including the third draw and when they were drawn out first they rightly assumed a home game.
Unfortunately Cian O'Neill should have sat down with the Kildare County Board before he took the stance he has taken.
Had Cavan been able to play their game at home I don't expect this situation would have arisen but unfortunately it has and Croke Park said they are not changing the new venue.
Sky Sport are showing these games live so it's all down to money now.
I don't have Sky like many in the country so if I don't go to the game I will not see it. As a Cavan supporter I would prefer if it was in Brewster or Clones but it's Croke Park and thats it.
Mayo sadly are not at fault here they are going to the venue they have been told by the CCCC.
Look we all sympathies with the situation Kildare find themselves in and support them but I suggest they sit down with the Collar and Tie brigade in Croke Park and Sky and get them to give your county a decent financial renumeration and get them to apologies for taking what is rightly yours a home game to Croke Park.

No shame Cian we support you but don't be remembered for all the wrong reason's.
No one will laugh at you for taking your stance but as an educated man you know like the rest of us your county will be fined very heavily and there may be even other repercussions down the road for Kildare.
So I say we admire you but please for the sake of the game take it on the chin and play your game in Croke Park and show them that you have your principles and that you are playing the game under objection but accepting it.

I wish you well in what ever decision you take but I hope common sense will prevail in the end.
We in Cavan have no complaint as we don't have a ground at the moment so have to accept what the CCCC has instructed as do Mayo and Tyrone.
No shame in being strong enough to accept what has been put in your way going forward. Just remember this Croke Park will not be the winners here you will be for turning up and playing your game and there is a time and place for everything and this can be resolved behind closed doors and not giving the media a field day.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 27/06/2018 09:56:52    2115742

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Replying To Solo_Run:  "For the umpteenth time.

Not sure if you are following the thread - its in there. Not inclined to post it again.

There are TWO contradictory statements in the rules. Kildare picked the one the wanted and ignored the other. So they are 50% right, not 100%. Its open to interpretation. You cant quote one rule and not the other.

No doubt about it they have a case. But they are NOT automatically entitled to home venue because the rules are flawed/contradictory. My main point was they way the went about it when it was open to interpretation was at best clumsy.

(By the way - any questioning of Kildare is not support for the big bad corporates against the "grassroots" that some on here would have everyone believe). Its a sporting organisation we belong to not a cult."
Well if its "a sporting organisation we belong to not a cult" The Gaa's behaviour has been anything but sporting towards Kildare gaa and they are acting more like a cult here now and in the last few years

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 27/06/2018 09:59:03    2115746

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The GAA need to up their game and provide major funding for every county ground, we have been fleeced for long enough with their rip off prices for tickets. A few years ago Sligo were playing Mayo in a Connacht final, Sligo had home advantage but their grounds in Sligo wasn't big enough so they chose Dr Hyde Park in Roscommon for the game, that was 3 or 4 years ago yet no major work to make the grounds bigger has being done yet, the same with Leitrim, Longford etc. Time for the GAA to put up funding and make all county grounds hold a minimum of 15000 people, let every county board beat the GAA with the health and safety whip, if it's good enough for them to use that excuse then the same excuse can be used by county boards to redevelop their grounds

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 27/06/2018 10:10:27    2115752

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Kildare should stick to their demand to play it at home. The deciding factor here is SKY and €€€€'s.

Nothing to do with health and safety. Why was health and safety not a concern during the national league !

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 27/06/2018 10:10:44    2115753

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Replying To gaanervous:  "I think it's a disgrace that Croke Park can't abide by their own rules and Kildare r quite within their right to uphold those rules and every other County in Ireland should stand behind them .Mayo should do the honourable thing and demand the game should not be played at Croke Park because that wasn't wher it was drawn to be played but I doubt if they will according to John Maughan as the advantage has now been handed to Mayo .Rules r rules and if the GAA can't abide by them why should anybody else abide by them. Stand your ground Kildare u r in the right ."
And Donegal should do the honourable thing and tell HQ that they will not fulfill their next fixture unless the Kildare v Mayo is fixed for Newbridge. Mayo have done absolutely nothing wrong but for some reason there is lads like yourself who want Mayo to wade into a dispute that is not in any ways Mayo's making, to show solidarity with Kildare but don't seem to think that the burden of solidarity should rest with anyone else, least of all their own county. So are you, or are you not, calling on all other counties, including Donegal, to stand by Kildare?

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 496 - 27/06/2018 10:15:46    2115756

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I agree its right that Kildare should object to playing the match in Croker but its ridiculous that a county like Kildare with its population and wealth does not have a proper stadium. To use the excuse that they would have "only for the economic downturn 10 years ago" is laughable. Waterford are the the same. Those two county boards should hang their heads in shame.

lochgarmanabu (Wexford) - Posts: 1022 - 27/06/2018 10:17:31    2115759

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GAA are the only people breaking the rules here.

No where in the rules does it say that a stadium has to be a minimum capacity.
No where in the rules does it say season ticket holders are entitled to a ticket.

It does say in the rules that first side drawn out will have home advantage.


Kildare know this and more importantly the GAA know this. The GAA are trying to intimidate before they ultimately back down.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 27/06/2018 10:23:04    2115761

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Not sure we have any stadium in Ireland even Europe that would hold 150000 one hundred and fifty thousand supporters.

In defense of Kildare they like every county read the same rules up to and including the third draw and when they were drawn out first they rightly assumed a home game.
Unfortunately Cian O'Neill should have sat down with the Kildare County Board before he took the stance he has taken.
Had Cavan been able to play their game at home I don't expect this situation would have arisen but unfortunately it has and Croke Park said they are not changing the new venue.
Sky Sport are showing these games live so it's all down to money now.
I don't have Sky like many in the country so if I don't go to the game I will not see it. As a Cavan supporter I would prefer if it was in Brewster or Clones but it's Croke Park and thats it.
Mayo sadly are not at fault here they are going to the venue they have been told by the CCCC.
Look we all sympathies with the situation Kildare find themselves in and support them but I suggest they sit down with the Collar and Tie brigade in Croke Park and Sky and get them to give your county a decent financial renumeration and get them to apologies for taking what is rightly yours a home game to Croke Park.

No shame Cian we support you but don't be remembered for all the wrong reason's.
No one will laugh at you for taking your stance but as an educated man you know like the rest of us your county will be fined very heavily and there may be even other repercussions down the road for Kildare.
So I say we admire you but please for the sake of the game take it on the chin and play your game in Croke Park and show them that you have your principles and that you are playing the game under objection but accepting it.

I wish you well in what ever decision you take but I hope common sense will prevail in the end.
We in Cavan have no complaint as we don't have a ground at the moment so have to accept what the CCCC has instructed as do Mayo and Tyrone.
No shame in being strong enough to accept what has been put in your way going forward. Just remember this Croke Park will not be the winners here you will be for turning up and playing your game and there is a time and place for everything and this can be resolved behind closed doors and not giving the media a field day."
Excellent post

Think there's a lot of wisdom in it

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20685 - 27/06/2018 10:23:37    2115763

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Kildare will face Mayo at the weekend, either in Croke Park or possibly Tullamore. They backed themselves in to a corner, and need an exit strategy. The ongoing controversy must have an effect on team preparation, when they should be concentrating on the Mayo game. I am sure they do not want to give Mayo a walk over if they stick to their position on Newbridge.
It is rumoured that discussions are ongoing between Kildare GAA and the CCC to resolve this matter.

If Kildare play the match at a neutral venue, other than Croke Park, then Cavanv Tyrone will be played at an Ulster venue.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 27/06/2018 10:27:15    2115765

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Replying To StirringIt:  "Kildare should stick to their demand to play it at home. The deciding factor here is SKY and €€€€'s.

Nothing to do with health and safety. Why was health and safety not a concern during the national league !"
you dont go to many matches if you are comparing a league game in February to this game. The vast majority of the small crowd in Newbridge in the league were Mayo Supporters and with all this handling now an extra 10.000 will want to go to the game now

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 27/06/2018 10:28:29    2115767

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Replying To riverboys:  "The GAA need to up their game and provide major funding for every county ground, we have been fleeced for long enough with their rip off prices for tickets. A few years ago Sligo were playing Mayo in a Connacht final, Sligo had home advantage but their grounds in Sligo wasn't big enough so they chose Dr Hyde Park in Roscommon for the game, that was 3 or 4 years ago yet no major work to make the grounds bigger has being done yet, the same with Leitrim, Longford etc. Time for the GAA to put up funding and make all county grounds hold a minimum of 15000 people, let every county board beat the GAA with the health and safety whip, if it's good enough for them to use that excuse then the same excuse can be used by county boards to redevelop their grounds"
A 15,000 stadium in Leitrim would be literally half their population!

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 496 - 27/06/2018 10:30:09    2115770

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Anyone hear Ned Quinn on OTB AM Podcast.

No offence but it was car crash stuff, terrible stuff altogether.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1422 - 27/06/2018 10:35:32    2115778

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Replying To riverboys:  "The GAA need to up their game and provide major funding for every county ground, we have been fleeced for long enough with their rip off prices for tickets. A few years ago Sligo were playing Mayo in a Connacht final, Sligo had home advantage but their grounds in Sligo wasn't big enough so they chose Dr Hyde Park in Roscommon for the game, that was 3 or 4 years ago yet no major work to make the grounds bigger has being done yet, the same with Leitrim, Longford etc. Time for the GAA to put up funding and make all county grounds hold a minimum of 15000 people, let every county board beat the GAA with the health and safety whip, if it's good enough for them to use that excuse then the same excuse can be used by county boards to redevelop their grounds"
Wrong.. There is and agreement between the Connaght Counties that only the Hyde,Salthill and McHale can hold Finals going back donkeys years rightly or wrongly. So when Sligo reached the final they were never due home advantage they were given the option of which of the three grounds they wanted to play game in. They have no reason to upgrade their venue at present until they want to change the rule preventing them holding home finals should they reach them

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 27/06/2018 10:42:19    2115785

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Replying To the_walls:  "And Donegal should do the honourable thing and tell HQ that they will not fulfill their next fixture unless the Kildare v Mayo is fixed for Newbridge. Mayo have done absolutely nothing wrong but for some reason there is lads like yourself who want Mayo to wade into a dispute that is not in any ways Mayo's making, to show solidarity with Kildare but don't seem to think that the burden of solidarity should rest with anyone else, least of all their own county. So are you, or are you not, calling on all other counties, including Donegal, to stand by Kildare?"
Donegal in a different situation. Leinster v Ulster game was always set for Croke Park. Qualifier draw indicated that the home team was the team drawn first unless there was a 3rd or 4th division team involved. There was no other criteria, I reas the Brolly article last night and he says the GAA have no legal grounds to move the game. This will be in the courts on Monday if the GAA don't change the venue. There will be no issue with the tickets sold as they all terms and conditions attached.

GDL (Galway) - Posts: 770 - 27/06/2018 10:42:26    2115786

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Replying To Solo_Run:  "For the umpteenth time.

Not sure if you are following the thread - its in there. Not inclined to post it again.

There are TWO contradictory statements in the rules. Kildare picked the one the wanted and ignored the other. So they are 50% right, not 100%. Its open to interpretation. You cant quote one rule and not the other.

No doubt about it they have a case. But they are NOT automatically entitled to home venue because the rules are flawed/contradictory. My main point was they way the went about it when it was open to interpretation was at best clumsy.

(By the way - any questioning of Kildare is not support for the big bad corporates against the "grassroots" that some on here would have everyone believe). Its a sporting organisation we belong to not a cult."
And for the umpteenth time you are wrong,as was Dick Clerkin last night on tv. The GAA rulebook explicitly does not allow the CCCC to move games until Round 4 and onwards. No, that's NO provisos are in place. As testified to by a former DRA member and Arbiter on the board of the world governing body for sport CAS on RTE Drivetime yesterday evening. A man from Limerick called Jack Anderson. He now works in Melbourne university lecturing on sports law. You telling us you and Clerkin know the GAA rulebook better than him? Thanks but I'll go with the world recognised expert!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 27/06/2018 10:42:39    2115788

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