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Replying To Manstein: "Fergal McGill was at the draw yesterday morning. It was clearly stated a number of times that first team drawn had Home advantage. McGill said nothing to contradict this. A few hours later he is saying Kildare have no choice but to abide by Croke Parks dictat. So what happenned in the intervening few hours?
Did Sky demand the fixture be moved to Croke Park?
Did the Mayo county board contact Croke Park saying they were ubpappy with venue because of their support base?
Did the Gardai or Health & Safety contact Croke Park saying venue was unsuitable?
Did Commercial arm of GAA contact CCC saying game had to be moved?
Something had to have happenned because McGill said noting on radio at the draw.
Mayo may be totally innocent in all this but my suspicion is there was contact. They were quick off the blocks urging fans to buy tickets for the match in Croke Park. Anyone who thinks the game been moved to Croke Park is not a bonus for Mayo is deluded. Both the team and fans would prefer it there.
I was at the Connacht final in the Hyde. Therewere tow full sections in the sideline seating empty and the terraces behind the goals was sparsely populated. Hyde Park could easily have held another 6-7000 safely. Sure the toilets, lack of shop etc is poor but there could have been no safety issues. The preassure to move Connacht Final to Castlebar was driven by a one man. Guess where is from.
I expect Mayo have to turn up in Croke Park on Saturday but a statement from their County Board saying they have no issue with Newbridge would be welcome. As of now their silence speaks volumes." There is absolutely zero proof anywhere to show that Mayo are anything but 100% blameless in this debacle but yet you are trying to lay the blame at the Mayo's door as a result of some bizarre conspiracy. Unbelievable! I know very few Rossies have any love for Mayo but this nonsense is absolutely ridiculous!
the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 497 - 26/06/2018 13:19:47
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I dont think it will be in Newbridge, sure the tickets have been on sale for Croker now for over 24 hours and sold as a double header.
If its changed to Newbridge are all of those who have bought tickets going to be given tickets for Newbridge with the season ticket hodlers, will those who booked hotels and trains etc going to be reimbursed.
Its more likely Kildare wont play the game then it is it will be played in Newbridge in my opinion.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4516 - 26/06/2018 13:24:40
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Paddy Power seem to think the GAA will back down. 5/6 for the game to officially go ahead in Newbridge.
the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 497 - 26/06/2018 13:26:25
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Most if not all have a strong opinion - it is the talking point so far of the Championship, there can be little doubt that Newbridge isn't a modern well equiped ground, if anything it is well past its sell by date, it must be one of the few venues with terracing in the main stand, toilets are poor too and access is a nightmare even on a good day....
But it is a county ground and if they pulled out Armagh ( with their big support) it would have been in Newbridge, the problem is the Season Tickets and the promise that it guarantees a ticket for ALL games up to the final and depending on attendance then will get a ticket for the Final.......
But in world sporting context - a Season ticket cannot and shouldn't guarantee a ticket, and there lies the problem,
Health and Safety have to be of paramount concern and if the local Council, Guards etc say the ground can only hold 1,000 or 3,000 or 5,000 then so be it,
If Man Utd or Celtic or Liverpool are drawn away in a Cup Game to a lesser light with a reduced capacity, then those supporters are only fully aware that even with a Season ticket they are not guaranteed a ticket to see their team play,,,,,
By insisting on a home game we are preserving something 'true and real' about our games - atmosphere, build-up etc , by going for the 'Croke Park' model we are losing that atmosphere, its just another fixture which will give Mayo a slight advantage....
It's Newbridge today, Drogheda tomorrow ( if ever successful) Navan ( until development) etc......
We await with interest
cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 26/06/2018 13:27:39
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Marty Morrissey very much pushing the GAA/ Croke Park line there on tbe news at 1. Kildare's position and view wasn't mentioned at all. Where's the impartiality and fairness from RTE? That was a shockingly one sided report.
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Well said , and you're spot on." Even though there's blatantly Dubs standing up for Kildare on this thread?
You're some gombeen chief
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 26/06/2018 13:29:14
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Where does the GPA fit into this ?
They issued s statement backing kildares, and for the match to be refixed for newbridge. Does that include the Mayo members of GPA ?
yelowbelly (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 26/06/2018 13:30:01
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Replying To Inaroundehouse: "I think if the GPA advise all its teams left in the Championship to support Kildares decision then the GAA top brass will have to back down or we won't have a Chanpionship.
Do whatever it takes to get the decision overturned." GPA need to flex whatever muscle the have on this one, great chance to show they really do represent the players. Would like to see other County Boards come out in support of Kildare, if GAA HQ get away with this one then the majority of counties can expect similar treatment in coming years. This is way too important for future of the GAA.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2217 - 26/06/2018 13:36:28
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you wouldn't see this happen in any other sport, if a minnow in non-league came up at home to Liverpool or Man Utd in the FA Cup you would be 100% sure it would take place in their home ground regardless of how much support the big team would take. if you don't get a ticket then tough, there's other matches to go to.
NaomhNaille (Donegal) - Posts: 124 - 26/06/2018 13:40:40
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Not sure if this has been pointed out earlier on - haven't had time to go through full thread yet. So apologies if it has.
Kildare have made a complete mess of this by jumping the gun - using "the rules" to justify their position.
I actually believe the have a "just" position.
However "the rules" - like them or loathe them - state home venue advantage is subject to the approval of the CCC. So they are NOT automatically entitled to home advantage. So before going around shouting the odds about the rules they should have read all of them first not the bit(s) that suited them.
Now backed themselves into a corner whereby they will either look to have "buckled" or are out of the championship.
Only choice, play in Croke Park and try and use to their advantage. Headless stuff. Calmer heads were needed.
Solo_Run (Leitrim) - Posts: 219 - 26/06/2018 13:51:10
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Replying To Manstein: "Fergal McGill was at the draw yesterday morning. It was clearly stated a number of times that first team drawn had Home advantage. McGill said nothing to contradict this. A few hours later he is saying Kildare have no choice but to abide by Croke Parks dictat. So what happenned in the intervening few hours?
Did Sky demand the fixture be moved to Croke Park?
Did the Mayo county board contact Croke Park saying they were ubpappy with venue because of their support base?
Did the Gardai or Health & Safety contact Croke Park saying venue was unsuitable?
Did Commercial arm of GAA contact CCC saying game had to be moved?
Something had to have happenned because McGill said noting on radio at the draw.
Mayo may be totally innocent in all this but my suspicion is there was contact. They were quick off the blocks urging fans to buy tickets for the match in Croke Park. Anyone who thinks the game been moved to Croke Park is not a bonus for Mayo is deluded. Both the team and fans would prefer it there.
I was at the Connacht final in the Hyde. Therewere tow full sections in the sideline seating empty and the terraces behind the goals was sparsely populated. Hyde Park could easily have held another 6-7000 safely. Sure the toilets, lack of shop etc is poor but there could have been no safety issues. The preassure to move Connacht Final to Castlebar was driven by a one man. Guess where is from.
I expect Mayo have to turn up in Croke Park on Saturday but a statement from their County Board saying they have no issue with Newbridge would be welcome. As of now their silence speaks volumes." What you're insinuating Manstein is that Mayo got the game moved. In order for that to happen the county board's clout with the national organisation would need to have been transformed since 2014, when they couldn't manage to get the AI semi-final moved away from Kerry's doorstep, even though there were other potential options (other dates). I doubt either Kildare or Mayo were consulted before the decision was made and announced, and probably not Tyrone or Cavan either. Informed yes, consulted, not likely. This also makes this debacle different from the Connacht final, since there was no attempt by the provincial board to publicly dictate to Roscommon. What's of greater relevance is the fact that Newbridge provides a very poor stage for camera placement, whereas Croker Park (and Hyde Park for that matter) doesn't. A game from Conleth's would be plain bad telly, below the standard that Sky requires. Every other reason is pretty much secondary (tickets, toilets, whatever you're having!).
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 26/06/2018 13:58:33
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Kildare are going to have get over this and use it a motivation to get to the super 8's and then prove a point they can host their home matches, if they are good enough to beat Mayo it wont matter where the match is played.
If I was a Kildare supporter I would want O'Neill worrying about getting the team ready for the match rather than worrying where it is going to be played
redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts: 167 - 26/06/2018 13:58:34
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Shades of Waterford home games in hurling. A ground that could hold 14,000. If there were safety issues why was the capacity not reduced to 10,000 and give us our home games? GAA sham behaviour as usual. B-llsless county board. Changing format without caring about fairness and equal opportunity.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3046 - 26/06/2018 14:00:20
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The mistake for me in this issue, was that home/away ever became a runner for Round3 qualifiers. I remember in the first backdoor year, Galway played Armagh in round 3, and Cork in round 4, both in Croker football double headers. Why did the GAA ever change from neutral venues for round 3 qualifiers, I wonder. That was the root cause of this current problem imo. The 'health & safety' bs is a horribly amateurish lie about the reason for the fixture crux. It's a bums on seats issue, a Sky issue, nothing more & nothing less. CCC or whatever they're called would do well to start telling the truth at least, if they're going to start flexing their muscles more regularly.
Interesting to see the Kildare manager going all suit & tie for RTE News on this one. He clearly is not going to look this gift horse in the mouth to gain some sympathy capital, after a disastrous 12 months on the field for Kildare. Certainly ironic that Kildare are arguing over the field they play on, when they haven;t performed on any field for 12 months, until they picked up good wins recently in Derry & Longford.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4145 - 26/06/2018 14:01:08
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Replying To jimbodub: "Well I wouldn't want to see Kildare thrown out over this.. that 100% hopefully won't happen
I honestly didn't realise the Garda gave this the all clear! If that's the case.. then really on what grounds do the GAA have to be worried about health and safety?
Surely the responsibility has to be shared? Can the GAA still be sued if someone gets hurt even though the gards gave it the all clear? I'd imagine so.. but I'm not privy to such information. I'm just not aware of all the moving parts.. are you?
It's quite a mess and both camps will have to proceed delicately on this one. I'd hope for Kildares sake that it works out positive.. as Kildare being removed will be a desperate thing to happen and really only go to damage the entire competition
Cheers for going to the effort of informing me of that rather than attack my opinion based on where I'm from in a jaw dropping ignorant manner." JimBo the GAA didn't say what Health and Safety they were talking about. I believe it pertained to the GAA bank balance been Healthy and Safe.
cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 524 - 26/06/2018 14:03:48
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Replying To arock: "Bottom line the ground is not fit to hold a match of this size, Kildare opted years ago to develop a centre of excellence rather than upgrade their county ground. No sympathy for them at all they are quite selective as to who they allow use their centre of excellence. It is not fair on Mayo fans sorry you can't all go to the match in the super 8 series because we are going to hold the game in a rubbish ground. Nothing to do with crowd trouble, H&S, fire regulations etc etc its to do with spectacle and generating interest and finances to enable the GAA to function. The GAA can't back down it will cost a fortune to host the game in that ground. On these pages we have had many posters complaining about GAA not doing enough to promote the games to enable it to compete as a spectacle with other sports and what to the bally-go-backwards crowd want - yeah I give you St Conlaiths....its a spectacle all right and unholy how of one, the latest i heard on radio yeah we upgraded the jacks - for god sake the toilets!!" No surprise to see mainly the dubs backing the gaa on this given the massive help they have received from them, including favorable scheduling of games in alternative venues anytime they are drawn away from home.
Am i right in saying that all season ticket holders can be accomated in Newbridge with a couple thousand extra seats available then this H +S bull the GAA are coming out with now is a load of rubbish.
Many smaller capacity stadiums have held games that had big demands for tickets in many sports, the integrity of competitions is more important then a supporters not being able to get in to see the game. Home advantage means home advantage doesn't matter the capacity of the ground.
Kildare are the first team to have the guts to stand up to the GAA in a proper way in a long time and of course they are 100% right. Wicklow tried to keep their game in Aughrim against the dubs but failed, this issue will be keep cropping up and fair play to Kildare for standing their ground.
If the GAA kick them out of the competition over this then they have crossed the line. Gaa fans in every county have a choice to stand up to corporate greed or stand up and fight them on this. If that mean a fan boycott on games or a strike so be it. If it harms Kerry or any other county let it be so. Would be the lesser of two evils IMO.
KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 26/06/2018 14:05:58
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I think it's a disgrace on the GAA that they have to deem any county ground unsuitable to hold a game in 2018. They need to have a plan to upgrade every county ground to a minium standard.
cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 524 - 26/06/2018 14:08:01
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Replying To Manstein: "Fergal McGill was at the draw yesterday morning. It was clearly stated a number of times that first team drawn had Home advantage. McGill said nothing to contradict this. A few hours later he is saying Kildare have no choice but to abide by Croke Parks dictat. So what happenned in the intervening few hours?
Did Sky demand the fixture be moved to Croke Park?
Did the Mayo county board contact Croke Park saying they were ubpappy with venue because of their support base?
Did the Gardai or Health & Safety contact Croke Park saying venue was unsuitable?
Did Commercial arm of GAA contact CCC saying game had to be moved?
Something had to have happenned because McGill said noting on radio at the draw.
Mayo may be totally innocent in all this but my suspicion is there was contact. They were quick off the blocks urging fans to buy tickets for the match in Croke Park. Anyone who thinks the game been moved to Croke Park is not a bonus for Mayo is deluded. Both the team and fans would prefer it there.
I was at the Connacht final in the Hyde. Therewere tow full sections in the sideline seating empty and the terraces behind the goals was sparsely populated. Hyde Park could easily have held another 6-7000 safely. Sure the toilets, lack of shop etc is poor but there could have been no safety issues. The preassure to move Connacht Final to Castlebar was driven by a one man. Guess where is from.
I expect Mayo have to turn up in Croke Park on Saturday but a statement from their County Board saying they have no issue with Newbridge would be welcome. As of now their silence speaks volumes." Ara what a load of rubbish! sure why would they give comment on Kildares decision not to travel to Croke Park! Its only because its Mayo they were drawn against that this rubbish start being thrown about! few years back they were made to come to Limerick to play us, practically a home game for us! bitter rossie tut tut tut
hawkeye82 (Kerry) - Posts: 202 - 26/06/2018 14:08:50
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Replying To Manstein: "Fergal McGill was at the draw yesterday morning. It was clearly stated a number of times that first team drawn had Home advantage. McGill said nothing to contradict this. A few hours later he is saying Kildare have no choice but to abide by Croke Parks dictat. So what happenned in the intervening few hours?
Did Sky demand the fixture be moved to Croke Park?
Did the Mayo county board contact Croke Park saying they were ubpappy with venue because of their support base?
Did the Gardai or Health & Safety contact Croke Park saying venue was unsuitable?
Did Commercial arm of GAA contact CCC saying game had to be moved?
Something had to have happenned because McGill said noting on radio at the draw.
Mayo may be totally innocent in all this but my suspicion is there was contact. They were quick off the blocks urging fans to buy tickets for the match in Croke Park. Anyone who thinks the game been moved to Croke Park is not a bonus for Mayo is deluded. Both the team and fans would prefer it there.
I was at the Connacht final in the Hyde. Therewere tow full sections in the sideline seating empty and the terraces behind the goals was sparsely populated. Hyde Park could easily have held another 6-7000 safely. Sure the toilets, lack of shop etc is poor but there could have been no safety issues. The preassure to move Connacht Final to Castlebar was driven by a one man. Guess where is from.
I expect Mayo have to turn up in Croke Park on Saturday but a statement from their County Board saying they have no issue with Newbridge would be welcome. As of now their silence speaks volumes." Jasus i like your digs at Mayo. The reason there was empty seats in the Hyde was because the Connacht Council put a limit on it or so I've read. Also they won't another 1 untill it's upgraded.
cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 524 - 26/06/2018 14:17:22
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Replying To yew_tree: "Mayo county board did not urge Mayo fans to buy tickets..typical rubbish from a roscommon fan. The vast majority of Mayo fans have said Kildare should get their home game...but with tomorrow midweek, some clarity is needed now fast as it's unfair on both sets of fans and teams." Mayo GAA
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We have another big game on Saturday in Croke Park & need another big Mayo support. Tickets are on sale now so buy online & save money. https://bit.ly/2FMXOG0 . #mayogaa #gaa
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They encourage Mayo fans to buy tickets. I agree quite a number of Mayo fans have been complete decent gaa men and support kildare gaa. The guy who runs Mayo gaa blog is having a meltdown over there with the taughts of the game been in Newbridge. Lads are close to been banned for disagreeing with him.
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 26/06/2018 14:19:21
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