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Replying To clondalkindub: "Yeah but imagine the statement it would make if Mayo stood with Kildare on this one." A very minor and silly one, given that Mayo aren't a big team. But imagine, for a moment, the blow that could be struck for liberty if the Greatest Team of All Time chose to take a stand! And on their home ground at that, this nonsense about Parnell being just that, nonsense, Jim Gavin needs to get the whole panel onto the pitch at Croker at 7, half the squad at either goalmouth and Dermo (who has been flown back specially) alone and bare-chested in midfield like a Marianne type figure. What a glorious statement that would be (and good craic too). C'mon the Dubs - you can make a difference! timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 26/06/2018 12:28:41 2115310 Link
Very poor statement from Ned Quinn suggesting now that potential crowd trouble was a factor in the decision. Pretty sure if I was a Kildare supporter i would be fairly teed off with this insinuation. As far as I am aware there has been no issue of this sort before with either Kildare or Mayo but he seems to be highlighting the potential for trouble at the home fans so this is a first for me. ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 26/06/2018 12:30:14 2115314 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "I 100% agree with you But we're not the ones making the call on health and safety grounds with probably multiple other factors lobbed in that we wouldn't be aware of.. I would like to see Kildare get home advantage but can also understand the thinking behind the GAAs decision making here. It's all well and good having a strong opinion on this but perhaps if you were in the decision making end of things perhaps you'd have to ignore your own personal opinions and play the safe hand when you know all the factors ? The GAA have got more and more health and safety conscious and this plays directly into that. Do I want to see Kildare get home advantage = yes Can I see the logic in the GAAs decision = yes" Perhaps if you read the statement from the Kildare Co Board you might have a different view, where it states that the Gardaí backed the fixture going ahead and that criteria was already in place, passed by the National Facilities/Health and safety Committee, that was going to be adhered to. There was no other reason other than financial (whether that be sky or capacity related) for that game to be re-fixed. Fixed being the operative word here mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 26/06/2018 12:30:26 2115315 Link
Replying To MuineachanAbu: "If Mayo had anything in them, they would release a statement stating that they also will be travelling to Newbridge" Just for the sake of argument, Mayo decide, for some strange reason to show up in Newbridge on Saturday evening what will be the likely outcome! The best thing that can happen is the one milliion to one chance that the game will actually go ahead with half the nine thousand Mayo supporters who turned up in Thurles last weekend being unable to get in. The worst that can happen is that we are fined heavily and thrown out of the championship. Hardly a win, win situation now is it. Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 26/06/2018 12:33:01 2115318 Link
Health and safety my eye. There's even an attempt to link it to an avoidance of potential crowd trouble this morning, which is a total disingenuous load of nonsense. The gardai didnt have an issue with it being played in Newbridge, but the GAA know better on that front? This is rotten to the core plain and simple. It's about time that somebody stood up to this perennial claptrap. I dont often agree with O Rourke either, but I think he's reasoning that Kildare would uphold any subsequent appeal (should they GAA forfeit the game on their behalf) holds water. Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 534 - 26/06/2018 12:34:05 2115319 Link
Replying To KildareKelly: "What All Ireland semi were Mayo drawn out to play at home in ?" I think what's being referred to is the situation where Mayo (and I think all the other Connacht counties) nearly always have to play Munster opposition in Munster in situations where a neutral venue is specified. This happens at every level and is an absolutely consistent obligation when it comes to Kerry or Cork, the most significant being the 2014 AI semi-final replay. I'm just hoping that sense will prevail somewhere... my preference is for Newbridge because that's what the draw handed us. I've a lot of sympathy for the players in both camps and a lot of time for Cian O'Neill. Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 26/06/2018 12:36:15 2115320 Link
Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST: "Very poor statement from Ned Quinn suggesting now that potential crowd trouble was a factor in the decision. Pretty sure if I was a Kildare supporter i would be fairly teed off with this insinuation. As far as I am aware there has been no issue of this sort before with either Kildare or Mayo but he seems to be highlighting the potential for trouble at the home fans so this is a first for me." The may move the sold out Munster final to Croker then so. joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 230 - 26/06/2018 12:40:07 2115321 Link
Well I wouldn't want to see Kildare thrown out over this.. that 100% hopefully won't happen I honestly didn't realise the Garda gave this the all clear! If that's the case.. then really on what grounds do the GAA have to be worried about health and safety? Surely the responsibility has to be shared? Can the GAA still be sued if someone gets hurt even though the gards gave it the all clear? I'd imagine so.. but I'm not privy to such information. I'm just not aware of all the moving parts.. are you? It's quite a mess and both camps will have to proceed delicately on this one. I'd hope for Kildares sake that it works out positive.. as Kildare being removed will be a desperate thing to happen and really only go to damage the entire competition Cheers for going to the effort of informing me of that rather than attack my opinion based on where I'm from in a jaw dropping ignorant manner. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 26/06/2018 12:45:22 2115325 Link
Replying To Passer_By: "Health and safety my eye. There's even an attempt to link it to an avoidance of potential crowd trouble this morning, which is a total disingenuous load of nonsense. The gardai didnt have an issue with it being played in Newbridge, but the GAA know better on that front? This is rotten to the core plain and simple. It's about time that somebody stood up to this perennial claptrap. I dont often agree with O Rourke either, but I think he's reasoning that Kildare would uphold any subsequent appeal (should they GAA forfeit the game on their behalf) holds water." Bottom line the ground is not fit to hold a match of this size, Kildare opted years ago to develop a centre of excellence rather than upgrade their county ground. No sympathy for them at all they are quite selective as to who they allow use their centre of excellence. It is not fair on Mayo fans sorry you can't all go to the match in the super 8 series because we are going to hold the game in a rubbish ground. Nothing to do with crowd trouble, H&S, fire regulations etc etc its to do with spectacle and generating interest and finances to enable the GAA to function. The GAA can't back down it will cost a fortune to host the game in that ground. On these pages we have had many posters complaining about GAA not doing enough to promote the games to enable it to compete as a spectacle with other sports and what to the bally-go-backwards crowd want - yeah I give you St Conlaiths....its a spectacle all right and unholy how of one, the latest i heard on radio yeah we upgraded the jacks - for god sake the toilets!! arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 26/06/2018 12:48:50 2115328 Link
Fergal McGill was at the draw yesterday morning. It was clearly stated a number of times that first team drawn had Home advantage. McGill said nothing to contradict this. A few hours later he is saying Kildare have no choice but to abide by Croke Parks dictat. So what happenned in the intervening few hours? Did Sky demand the fixture be moved to Croke Park? Did the Mayo county board contact Croke Park saying they were ubpappy with venue because of their support base? Did the Gardai or Health & Safety contact Croke Park saying venue was unsuitable? Did Commercial arm of GAA contact CCC saying game had to be moved? Something had to have happenned because McGill said noting on radio at the draw. Mayo may be totally innocent in all this but my suspicion is there was contact. They were quick off the blocks urging fans to buy tickets for the match in Croke Park. Anyone who thinks the game been moved to Croke Park is not a bonus for Mayo is deluded. Both the team and fans would prefer it there. I was at the Connacht final in the Hyde. Therewere tow full sections in the sideline seating empty and the terraces behind the goals was sparsely populated. Hyde Park could easily have held another 6-7000 safely. Sure the toilets, lack of shop etc is poor but there could have been no safety issues. The preassure to move Connacht Final to Castlebar was driven by a one man. Guess where is from. I expect Mayo have to turn up in Croke Park on Saturday but a statement from their County Board saying they have no issue with Newbridge would be welcome. As of now their silence speaks volumes. Manstein (Roscommon) - Posts: 43 - 26/06/2018 12:50:36 2115330 Link
Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST: "Very poor statement from Ned Quinn suggesting now that potential crowd trouble was a factor in the decision. Pretty sure if I was a Kildare supporter i would be fairly teed off with this insinuation. As far as I am aware there has been no issue of this sort before with either Kildare or Mayo but he seems to be highlighting the potential for trouble at the home fans so this is a first for me." "People are eager to see their own county playing championship and it was a possibility that people would turn up seeking to get admission to try and buy tickets outside the ground despite knowing that tickets weren't available," If an all ticket match is announced as being sold out a few days before it's due to take place how many fans would still make the trip? I can't imagine many Mayo fans would be foolish enough to travel 5 hours knowing there's a strong chance they won't get close to a ticket outside the ground. "The risk would be that people would get involved with other spectators, that's the risk. "I wouldn't call it crowd trouble but there could be animosity shown to people who had tickets and they couldn't get them, claiming they were regular supporters of Kildare." There shouldn't be any difference between an all ticket match in Newbridge, Thurles, Ennis, Rosscommon, Ballyshannon or Croke Park. Where was the concern for tickets holders at any previous all ticket game? if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 26/06/2018 12:57:46 2115333 Link
Replying To southmeathgael: "Spoken like a true dub........Waffle. The draw was made...kildare are home....you sell tickets and when all tickets are sold that's it. Tough luck if you havmt got one. People aren't getting lifted over the turnstiles or barging through gates like Hillsborough......what are you even going on about. Sure didnt kildare host Tyrone only a few years ago in conleths. Im not surprised the dubs are siding with the gaa on this, or probably everything considering they have gift wrapped your current success....but don't be talking drivle" Well said , and you're spot on. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/06/2018 12:59:26 2115335 Link
Replying To arock: "Bottom line the ground is not fit to hold a match of this size, Kildare opted years ago to develop a centre of excellence rather than upgrade their county ground. No sympathy for them at all they are quite selective as to who they allow use their centre of excellence. It is not fair on Mayo fans sorry you can't all go to the match in the super 8 series because we are going to hold the game in a rubbish ground. Nothing to do with crowd trouble, H&S, fire regulations etc etc its to do with spectacle and generating interest and finances to enable the GAA to function. The GAA can't back down it will cost a fortune to host the game in that ground. On these pages we have had many posters complaining about GAA not doing enough to promote the games to enable it to compete as a spectacle with other sports and what to the bally-go-backwards crowd want - yeah I give you St Conlaiths....its a spectacle all right and unholy how of one, the latest i heard on radio yeah we upgraded the jacks - for god sake the toilets!!" It's not a Super 8 match ! You seem to be obsessed with thinking it is as you've mentioned it so many times. Amazing how you fail to answer any questions put to you in this thread instead you prefer to wade in every now & again just repeating the same stuff and then back out. Classy. KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 26/06/2018 13:02:09 2115339 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Well I wouldn't want to see Kildare thrown out over this.. that 100% hopefully won't happen I honestly didn't realise the Garda gave this the all clear! If that's the case.. then really on what grounds do the GAA have to be worried about health and safety? Surely the responsibility has to be shared? Can the GAA still be sued if someone gets hurt even though the gards gave it the all clear? I'd imagine so.. but I'm not privy to such information. I'm just not aware of all the moving parts.. are you? It's quite a mess and both camps will have to proceed delicately on this one. I'd hope for Kildares sake that it works out positive.. as Kildare being removed will be a desperate thing to happen and really only go to damage the entire competition Cheers for going to the effort of informing me of that rather than attack my opinion based on where I'm from in a jaw dropping ignorant manner." My intention is never to attack anyone personally of their opinions. The basic point is in my view. That because of the rules of the competition, as soon as Kildare, or anyone else, came out of the hat first then it was automatically a home fixture. Newbridge. What the CCCC essentially did was re-fix the match, that is the point some are missing. The fixture was not open to re-fixing, unless say on the grounds that you rightly pointed out previously. However. Newbridge had been passed fit to play by the Gardaí and previously by the Health and Safety committee as long as certain criteria was adhered to. mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 26/06/2018 13:08:16 2115341 Link
Replying To Manstein: "Fergal McGill was at the draw yesterday morning. It was clearly stated a number of times that first team drawn had Home advantage. McGill said nothing to contradict this. A few hours later he is saying Kildare have no choice but to abide by Croke Parks dictat. So what happenned in the intervening few hours? Did Sky demand the fixture be moved to Croke Park? Did the Mayo county board contact Croke Park saying they were ubpappy with venue because of their support base? Did the Gardai or Health & Safety contact Croke Park saying venue was unsuitable? Did Commercial arm of GAA contact CCC saying game had to be moved? Something had to have happenned because McGill said noting on radio at the draw. Mayo may be totally innocent in all this but my suspicion is there was contact. They were quick off the blocks urging fans to buy tickets for the match in Croke Park. Anyone who thinks the game been moved to Croke Park is not a bonus for Mayo is deluded. Both the team and fans would prefer it there. I was at the Connacht final in the Hyde. Therewere tow full sections in the sideline seating empty and the terraces behind the goals was sparsely populated. Hyde Park could easily have held another 6-7000 safely. Sure the toilets, lack of shop etc is poor but there could have been no safety issues. The preassure to move Connacht Final to Castlebar was driven by a one man. Guess where is from. I expect Mayo have to turn up in Croke Park on Saturday but a statement from their County Board saying they have no issue with Newbridge would be welcome. As of now their silence speaks volumes." Mayo county board did not urge Mayo fans to buy tickets..typical rubbish from a roscommon fan. The vast majority of Mayo fans have said Kildare should get their home game...but with tomorrow midweek, some clarity is needed now fast as it's unfair on both sets of fans and teams. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11567 - 26/06/2018 13:09:24 2115344 Link
Kildare might find it difficult to cross the red line and might be ejected from c'ship, but they are 100% correct and FairPlay to them. Max capacity in Kildare is circa 8500? Wow, that is the bigger issue. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1736 - 26/06/2018 13:09:45 2115345 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Well said , and you're spot on." Kildare are 100% right on this hopefully they will see it out and hold up the championship. This will teach those in their ivory towers a painful lesson jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1702 - 26/06/2018 13:09:54 2115346 Link
I doubt Mayo had much of a say in this decision and to be fair their priority to trying to get through the tie. Whilst there may or may not be sympathy in Mayo for Kildare's situation, Mayo of all counties are very focused on success. They will do what the GAA tell them and in no way get involved in the politics of this debacle. Privately though of course Mayo will be delighted at not having to play in Newbridge but that doesn't mean they asked for it to be moved. If you look at another forum I called this soon after the draw was made prior to the decision being announced. Cavan do not have Breffi Park available - they along with Tyrone, Mayo and Kildare have a huge following. When you thought it out and know the history of the GAA, added to the fact Croke Park was available this was always going to be moved to Croke Park. The GAA were quick to ask Kildare for an alternative as they did Cavan. Cavan provided Enniskillen but that alternative was ignored for Croke Park. I suspect if Kildare had of given an alternative, the GAA would have said there was agreement to move it from Newbridge from Kildare CB so why not have it in Croke Park!? The fact Kildare refused did not matter as I suspect minds were made up to use Croke Park. Your correct to question the CCCC's decision, I agree somebody may have stepped in from another depaerment - it may have been a simple comment that Croke Park is free on Saturday. I don't think Sky or the Mayo County Board had a say - I doubt Sky would have a problem broadcasting from two different venues. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 26/06/2018 13:10:52 2115348 Link
Super piece here in the Independent on the matter by Ewan MacKenna: https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mackenna-we-needed-someone-to-say-enough-of-price-over-principles-of-money-over-morals-and-kildare-have-37050587.html A lot of talk aswell about the grounds in Kildare not being up to scratch. I 100% agree with you but its completely irrelevant for what we are facing now. If it wasnt up to scratch for a potential game then GAA should have came out and said so beforehand, completely rule out any game being there. Of course they didnt have the brains to do that so stuff them. Now literally the only thing it can be about is money. Not health and safety (Garda signed off as long as it was at 7pm), not season tickets (capacity covers both), not this preposterous notion that another 25k+ will just wander around Newbridge like lemmings because they dont have a ticket. This is a stand off against an association that has gone way completely over the top, and by right every single county board should come out in support of Kildare. Andy (Laois) - Posts: 371 - 26/06/2018 13:14:12 2115351 Link
If Croke Park attempt to bully Kildare and threaten them with expulsions etc then county and club players across the island, in both codes, should simply refuse to play. This is a chance for the grassroots to show their strength and send a clear message to the GAA. Many of us have had our fill of this hectoring and dictatorship from Croke Park. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9818 - 26/06/2018 13:16:29 2115357 Link