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Meath Vs Down - 2 Like(s)
The talk of getting rid of COR is not worth having mid season. Let's see how the Tailteann cup goes and then have it after the season. Based on our performance level the last few months I don't see us beating Down. I hope I am wrong but without Scully and Walsh and with how open we've been defensively I wouldn't be too confident and the bookies agree. I just hope we can put in a consistent performance and see some progress defensively
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - 31/05/2023 10:26:20
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Meath Vs Down - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Proudroyal: "While everyone seems to be taking a pop at Royaldunne, he does have some valid points.Sligo drew with Kildare are we not as good as Sligo?Westmeath should've beaten Armagh are we not as good as Westmeath?Before anyone says it yes I know they are in the all Ireland and we are in the Tailteann cup so technicality yes they are better but both are division 3 so if we ain't better we should be at least level with them.Why should we accept that we are weaker than teams below us in the league.For the record I dont think there is much between division 2 and top half of division 3 and would argue any team on its day could beat one another.It comes down to confidence and you only get confidence by winning and unfortunately we haven't done alot of that this year.It will be interesting to see how the forwards do v Down,while i know Tipperary/Waterford arent in a good place at the minute (no disrespect to both of them)we did kick some nice scores and eventually 2 decent scorelines so that has to help the forwards going on.Ive said it before the defence worries me and in fairness Royaldunne and many others on here have said the same.Im hoping we can tighten up at the back (alot really) and Cor has used the couple of weeks wisely.While I've agreed with a couple of Royaldunnes points I dont agree with him going after COR and think he needs time but we also should see some improvements.Its good he is giving a few young lads experience and they should be better again next year for it.Royaldunne you say you want o bric as manager and yes he has won a minor all ireland which was great but there is a massive jump up from minor as I'm sure you know.If he comes in for next year and say we lose a few games do we then get rid of him?Is that a gamble we can afford?Most teams that are successful in sport for a long enough period of time takes exactly that time.Not many go in and reap rewards in the first year.We do have to build foundations and then the house around it as the old saying goes.Is he the right man? that word again only time will tell.You may well be right maybe he isn't the man but I think he deserves his 2nd year and if we regress or standstill I'm sure he will walk himself. There will be more bumps in the road ahead but hopefully we can hit a smoother part soon.I agree with you we have to see improvement between now and this time next year, a system to suit players and we should be aiming higher and believe we are as good as the teams around us at least.As I've said before it's a mentality issue with us, we have accepted losing to an extent everyone from players,managers and us supporters and that has to change but it wont be easy or fixed overnight.We have some great young players coming through and hopefully they will start to show their potential soon and we will be competitive at least in the near future." Agree with most of your post, this management needs and will get more time, this time next year will give a much clearer picture what the future holds and if no singn of progress then COR will step aside, there will be no looking to lay the blame elsewhere he will accept him time is up and move on. However, I would expect a more positive outcome. Westmeath would have joined us in TC if they had not won it last year, they were knocked out of Leinster early on and Sligo had an easy route to Connaght final. Little point in thinking we are better or should be better, we have to earn that right on playing field. Agree with point Bernard F made in todays Indo when he said Colm may have been surprised by how bad things were, when he took over. He went on to lay the blame at CB level for our demise over last 10/15 years, not so sure about that, have asked many times where are they failing, what exactly do they need to do? What are managers or development officer not getting, how are their hands been tied?
He also feels TC is of no benefit to Meath, unless we win it, dont agree with that, its the perfect chance to keep panel together and bring new talent through. The work done now can only benefit us in next years league.
seadog54 (Meath) - 31/05/2023 15:57:57
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Meath Vs Down - 1 Like(s)
Have my tickets for the game and looking forward to watching a game in this weather.
It is an interesting match up. I am fascinated to see how both teams will approach it. It is, in some ways, a dead rubber as both teams are already through from the group - however the winner is in a better position to tackle the knockout stages and will have a better run-in as a direct quarter finalist. It seems to me that across the board, there are too many games in this cup. I just think that playing altogether dozens of matches just to eliminate 4 teams out of the competition is a bit much. You could concievably see Tipp or Waterford get out of our group, get a winnable draw in the prelim and reach the quarters on a 50% win rate, and another three teams the same. Seems like a slow death for the counties involved over time if you find yourself in this competition for a few years. But anyway, thats another days discussion and there are many perspectives.
This will be a substantial step up. Im just looking forward to seeing how the Meath team reacts to the step up. Not even thinking about the result atm. I just want to see confidence more than anything else. A win would be a landmark for a lot of these lads.
Young_gael (Meath) - 31/05/2023 12:43:56
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Meath Vs Down - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Young_gael: "Have my tickets for the game and looking forward to watching a game in this weather.
It is an interesting match up. I am fascinated to see how both teams will approach it. It is, in some ways, a dead rubber as both teams are already through from the group - however the winner is in a better position to tackle the knockout stages and will have a better run-in as a direct quarter finalist. It seems to me that across the board, there are too many games in this cup. I just think that playing altogether dozens of matches just to eliminate 4 teams out of the competition is a bit much. You could concievably see Tipp or Waterford get out of our group, get a winnable draw in the prelim and reach the quarters on a 50% win rate, and another three teams the same. Seems like a slow death for the counties involved over time if you find yourself in this competition for a few years. But anyway, thats another days discussion and there are many perspectives.
This will be a substantial step up. Im just looking forward to seeing how the Meath team reacts to the step up. Not even thinking about the result atm. I just want to see confidence more than anything else. A win would be a landmark for a lot of these lads." The amount of games i think is just part of the GAA business model. in their simplistic minds it is just a case of more games means more funds, but they didnt count on crowds not showing up to watch substandard counties playing.
On teh other hand it ensure that lads who are putting in a mountain of work across all counties get a good few games each year and they have a chance of getting somewhere if they can sneak a few wins.
Irish_downunder (Meath) - 31/05/2023 14:18:37
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Meath Vs Down - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Proudroyal: "While everyone seems to be taking a pop at Royaldunne, he does have some valid points.Sligo drew with Kildare are we not as good as Sligo?Westmeath should've beaten Armagh are we not as good as Westmeath?Before anyone says it yes I know they are in the all Ireland and we are in the Tailteann cup so technicality yes they are better but both are division 3 so if we ain't better we should be at least level with them.Why should we accept that we are weaker than teams below us in the league.For the record I dont think there is much between division 2 and top half of division 3 and would argue any team on its day could beat one another.It comes down to confidence and you only get confidence by winning and unfortunately we haven't done alot of that this year.It will be interesting to see how the forwards do v Down,while i know Tipperary/Waterford arent in a good place at the minute (no disrespect to both of them)we did kick some nice scores and eventually 2 decent scorelines so that has to help the forwards going on.Ive said it before the defence worries me and in fairness Royaldunne and many others on here have said the same.Im hoping we can tighten up at the back (alot really) and Cor has used the couple of weeks wisely.While I've agreed with a couple of Royaldunnes points I dont agree with him going after COR and think he needs time but we also should see some improvements.Its good he is giving a few young lads experience and they should be better again next year for it.Royaldunne you say you want o bric as manager and yes he has won a minor all ireland which was great but there is a massive jump up from minor as I'm sure you know.If he comes in for next year and say we lose a few games do we then get rid of him?Is that a gamble we can afford?Most teams that are successful in sport for a long enough period of time takes exactly that time.Not many go in and reap rewards in the first year.We do have to build foundations and then the house around it as the old saying goes.Is he the right man? that word again only time will tell.You may well be right maybe he isn't the man but I think he deserves his 2nd year and if we regress or standstill I'm sure he will walk himself. There will be more bumps in the road ahead but hopefully we can hit a smoother part soon.I agree with you we have to see improvement between now and this time next year, a system to suit players and we should be aiming higher and believe we are as good as the teams around us at least.As I've said before it's a mentality issue with us, we have accepted losing to an extent everyone from players,managers and us supporters and that has to change but it wont be easy or fixed overnight.We have some great young players coming through and hopefully they will start to show their potential soon and we will be competitive at least in the near future." I pass little attention to the haters. They remind me of the Twitter trolls I mean when you see them going on about me writing Sunday instead of Saturday ( a mistake anyone could write ). What are the 6 ? If my little kids did that I'd give out to them.
Look I get what you saying about obric. And I completely understand where you coming from, my worry is if we continue with what we have we will fall further off the pace. , looking at this year objectively Colm took over a average midtable div 2 team who could compete with mayo Donegal (before they imploded) even Kerry in super 8s a few years ago but just not for the full match who had slipped back a bit. My hope was whoever was appointed they would arrest the slide that had begun last year, at least make dubs and Derry look over their shoulders , and reach a Leinster final and no doubt get beat by Dublin, then onto the all ire series again playing better teams but constantly learning (as EVERYONE knows you only improve playing better teams) I don't think loosing to louth without their best player drawing with a Limerick team who had already decided to sack their manager and getting deservedly beat by a poor Offaly team was on the cards . For me obric only job for year one would be to finish midtable division 2, and avoid TC next year, have a team set up that is hard to defeat, improve us defensively (ensuring the best players are on the team). The best fb in county is not even on panel never mind starting, have some resemblance of a game plan, that wouldn't be success in the conventional sense but it would be a huge improvement on this year. By all evidence SO FAR, Colm won't do that. My fear is that by the time obric comes in (I know he's supposed to take over u20s next year) we will be in division 3 and long-standing members of tailteann cup , he will then be under immense pressure to get promoted in year one, we have lost our seeding in Leinster so could easily have a qf match v dubs next year.
I just think the end of year is best time to bite the bullet. It's only my opinion. I hope to god Cor can turn this around and I'll
Be the first to congratulate him if he does and hold my hands up and gladly say I was wrong. But I haven't seen any evidence that he will YET
royaldunne (Meath) - 31/05/2023 14:46:26
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