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The problem lies at the top is Nonsense. When McEntee was the manager or O'Dowd or Banty they were getting all the flak if it wasn't working. Now because of who the manager is a lot of people are giving him a free pass and blaming the CB only . They left because they were getting little or no input. Is that the fault of the lads are the top ?? Yes the CB have to take some of the responsibility but the lions share of responsibility is with the man in charge of the team always. It's his job to assemble the best possible backroom team and he has either failed to do so or he has chosen not to do so Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 956 - 26/07/2024 10:08:56 2561661 Link 0 |
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Yep CB dont have anything to do with the running of the senior team and should not have an input either except when a new manager is needed. I think at this stage its not just a "coach" problem either. I think we need a new management team altogether, Even if we get good coaches Im not sure about his ability to make the right decisions during a match when the pressure is on. Or indeed picking proper personnel in the right positions. I think the glaring lack of coaching has led us all to zone in on that and has taken the spotlight off all the other parts of management. I've said it at the start of the year that playing 70 lads between challenges and OB cup matches in his second season was strange when he should have known the bones of his panel from the previous year and work with them. I also didnt see any real tactical substitutions last year .... more like "he looks tired so take him off" approach. I think the CBs main responsibility now is to have a summer sale....Everything must go!! JonnieG (Meath) - Posts: 244 - 26/07/2024 12:36:36 2561718 Link 0 |
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"The problem lies at the top is nonsense" To me the problem is that the management team are under performing as per on field performances over the duration to date.The manager said he wants to continue . Without any question that puts the ball right at the feet of the CB. They have the responsibility to take charge now meaning they make sure they provide all interested parties have an input so they the CB can say yes we have listened Colm will know that team preparation has not been good enough in terms of coaching as per results, The NEED to fill this shortfall is NOT negotiable and he should know that anyway based on results Colms wish to continue has to be on the condition that this need is met or otherwise he doed not continue. The CB takes charge for the good of Meath football .I fully supported Colms appointment and i will withraw my support if he is seen as not trying to improve our lot . Enough is enough I recall clearly COLM saying he would not have all the answers and would bring in help when needed. Why has that not happened ? p.s. Colm great player who never was found wanting on the field himself no question and great thanks merited. Diferent role now requiring different skills and as he said would need help. What is he waiting for then ? nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1260 - 26/07/2024 13:11:04 2561735 Link 2 |
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Apologies if my post was unclear. By "top", I meant top of the management team, i.e., the manager. My post was in reference to a discussion about the current management team, with the top role obviously being that of the manager. I have no sentiment towards O'Rourke because of who he is, I'd like to make that clear. I believe he should be removed from his position.
MarkMyWords (Meath) - Posts: 512 - 26/07/2024 16:05:47 2561817 Link 0 |
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It would be good to know what is happening before club championship starts whether Colm is staying on,getting a new coaches in or a new manager.As other posters have said we have no doubt gone backwards.I was hoping we could kick on after the TC (thought winning would give us belief and a lift)but nothing has changed. I was hoping after the indifferent league we would see something better in championship but it was so poor.Losing to louth (over at halftime)losing to Kerry over at halftime and losing to Monaghan over with 5 mins into the second half and before anyone says we came back Monaghan switched off and emptied their bench for the next game.Its not good enough to not been in with a chance of winning in any of the championship matches (bar beating Longford)in the last 10 mins or really the second half.I dont think he will listen to any new coach and if and I state if the reason the 2 coaches went is because they were not been listened too then the county board does have a duty to sort it out.Id love to see it work for him but dont see much progress,we're not really competitive,dont seem to have a system and lack belief.We all know we wont be winning all Irelands anytime soon but would be great to take a scalp or 2 to start the building process.Ill be honest I've backed Colm from the start but its wearing very thin now.Would folk like Cathal o bric in with Colm or him in on his own?An outside manager?Its a big decision as we have decent young players coming through and we need to nurture them well Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 283 - 26/07/2024 17:36:28 2561838 Link 2 |
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Very long waffle post to say very little that hasn't been said already! Any new insights?
royalproxy (Meath) - Posts: 40 - 26/07/2024 21:42:08 2561860 Link 3 |
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Bad tradesman blames his tools.all I hear from our manager is no players s..te football in county. Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 493 - 27/07/2024 10:02:23 2561891 Link 3 |
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Will the royals take anything from Armagh's win today boss?
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1801 - 28/07/2024 20:06:17 2562308 Link 0 |
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From what I hear he is getting another year with a review at the end of year
royal1967 (Meath) - Posts: 275 - 29/07/2024 11:10:24 2562514 Link 1 |
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Watching the final yesterday and the standard didnt even seem that high for the 2 best in the country. How can we be so far off the pace if that is the standard of the final? Surely we can get closer Meath10 (Meath) - Posts: 187 - 29/07/2024 11:10:58 2562515 Link 0 |
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Standard may have not have looked great but that is the case in most finals with nerves and tension involved. Fact is both teams got there and deservedly so. Armagh were in Div. 2 but it was really men against boys in the league encounter against us. They were operating on another level. We are nowhere near them in terms of fitness or physical conditioning and tactical awareness and are probably even further behind given we were knocked out ages ago.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 559 - 29/07/2024 11:24:12 2562521 Link 0 |
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Yes. Stick with O'Rourke for at least 10 years like Armagh done with Geezer.
begining (UK) - Posts: 304 - 29/07/2024 11:30:58 2562528 Link 0 |
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McGeeney is a perfect example of how hard work, openess to new ideas and attention to detail can make a team more than the sum of their parts. He's not a perfect manager, they left winnable matches behind them in recent years, including this year's Ulster Final, by not pressing home an advantage. But they're throwing the kitchen sink at getting things right. No evidence COR is bringing a similar mentality. MeathAbroad (Meath) - Posts: 81 - 29/07/2024 12:22:32 2562555 Link 0 |
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O'Rourke would be 76 years of age if we did that , i would also say to be fair i dont think O'Rourke would want stay for 10 years.
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 919 - 29/07/2024 12:23:22 2562556 Link 0 |
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If this is accurate then it would suggest to me that the players weren't happy with the way the team was being managed, which shouldn't come as a surprise to us given what we witnessed on the field this year. There is a difference between giving McGeeney (who the Armagh players backed) and O'Rourke an extended period of time with the team. If the players have lost faith in the manager and the project, then that's that as far as I'm concerned. In an age where having the best system wins championships, we couldn't be further away from success.
MarkMyWords (Meath) - Posts: 512 - 29/07/2024 13:23:51 2562597 Link 0 |
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When are things going to be confirmed? When is next CB meeting? Are will it be as straightforward as just saying COR is in or out? Or will there be a vote? MeathAbroad (Meath) - Posts: 81 - 29/07/2024 14:10:13 2562643 Link 0 |
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If the Meath county board retain the current manager despite 99.9% of the playing personal not happy with the how things are going then they may as well write off 2025 right now. I can honestly not remember such a consistent string of uncompetitive and uninterested performances from a Meath team in championship football as what was served up in 2024. BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 981 - 29/07/2024 14:42:16 2562659 Link 0 |
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I think everyone knows if we retain the current management team next year its a total right off , I do believe myself from what I seen from the last two years we will more than likely get relegated to division 3 in 2025. I don't wish that to happen to the current management team , I do wish them them the very best and I hope they improve things , and unfortunately that's hope and that's all this current management team has is hope with no realistic evidence behind them that they can improve things . I say that truthfully and not in a peevish manner WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 919 - 29/07/2024 15:35:08 2562688 Link 1 |
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Anything in particular that the players are saying?
MarkMyWords (Meath) - Posts: 512 - 29/07/2024 16:25:17 2562710 Link 1 |
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All you have to do is see how Well westmeath compeated against both all Ireland final teams in the group stages and westmeath are a below average team. Armagh and Galway are average teams they'd struggle to keep it kicked out to the good Dublin but yet Meath are miles behind both of them . Armagh hammered us in the league and I've no doubt Galway would do the same . Sadly its down to a system that the players believe in and Meath haven't had that under ORourke or the previous manager . I went to a few league games but the game that opened my eyes was the Longford game . We were like a under age team that only won because our 15 players were better than their 15 but our sideline and coaching system wasn't. I'm really surprised COR sees what he's doing is going anywhere . We haven't closed the gap on Dublin and they have went backwards we have continued to loose players off the panel that we can't afford to loose and more importantly the people of Meath have lost interest in the team and that's alarming . But if the county board need a players report to see this then that's where the problem lies and has for a long time . There's no vision in our county board if ORourke wants to stay he will no matter what the players say . Colm should have been asked to step aside straight after the Monaghan game and the proper process in getting the right manager and coach in place should have started immediately . If Meath can't play to the standard of Galway and Armagh under the right person I'd be shocked . mmc (Meath) - Posts: 277 - 30/07/2024 07:19:19 2562831 Link 2 |