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Replying To begining: "People would be better placed doing some coaching with their clubs than complaining about championship structures. No format change is going to make some of the clubs competitive.
Groups of 4 were opposed at a players forum meeting as it reduces the number of hurling games in the calender.
Hurlers have a 7 round league, and are guaranteed 6 championship games in the current format. 13 games total minimum. I think we'll really see the championship come to life when the A and B knockout games are played, there will be a few one sided games up to this point.
Reducing the championship to groups of 4 = 11 games club season. Are we going to improve hurling in the county by playing less of it?
In comparison the club football leagues have 11 rounds, + semi finals = 12 games, + 4 championship = 16 games minimum. Regional competitions on top of that." Are you using the example of more matches in football improves the standard because it clearly doesn't.
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Replying To Irish_downunder: "Well having spoke to a number of players involved in giving and receiving some of the hammerings this week, both sets were of the opinions that neither would want to play that tripe and would rather only play football if that was the case." Every hurling club was invited to have a players rep at a forum late last year. There was also a survey sent to every club player.
There were a few options tabled in terms of championship restructure. This years structure had the overwhelming majority of support from the reps.
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Replying To Rickoshay: "Are you using the example of more matches in football improves the standard because it clearly doesn't." No
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Replying To begining: "Every hurling club was invited to have a players rep at a forum late last year. There was also a survey sent to every club player.
There were a few options tabled in terms of championship restructure. This years structure had the overwhelming majority of support from the reps." And again its a cop out by the county board. Simply ticking a box to say we did something to develop the hurling in the county by asking players, young lads with little cop on to vote on structures of championships is like asking turkeys to vote for xmas.
If the players were asked at all, it was prob a 1 min discussion in the dressing room before training and they were probably told this is how we are going to vote as it keeps us in this grade.
There needs to be less of a democracy on these items at the county board level as aul boys from clubs make decisions based on ridiculous sentiments.
This decision making is the only amateur element left in the GAA.
Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 640 - 30/07/2024 10:28:13
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hurling clubs whinging about not having the same amount of games is madness, they come out then and dont fulfill fixtures in the knock out cups. Big clubs do it regularly as smaller clubs. theres already been a lot of walkovers given in league and early cup competitions this year. one way to keep the same number of games would be make the preseason cup competitons a group of 3 or 4 as well so each club gets 3 games in Brendan Davis cup or Billy Burn cup in March and April. then go into league in may, june and july. No need for anymore than 3 group games in a chamionship then into knock out and relegation play offs. plus no players want to be going near a GAA pitch after mid october the year is long enough from starting traininig in mid january.
dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 747 - 30/07/2024 11:05:16
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Structure talked to death on this forum and one poster is probably right that the grand plan is to change in 2025.
We can all agree max amount of teams should be 8 and that is still a push. By right Blackhall would have been in Group A of last years structure after winning Group B and look how that is going. Massive gap between top 4 and others. Some days are closer than others but when crunch comes it will be Kildalkey, Trim, Ratoath and Kiltale (Kilmessan will likely replace them in the next couple of years if they can mature a bit).
Hurling teams have 2 Cup games, 7 league and min 6 champ games. Cut senior A champ to 2 groups of 4, seed semis each year. Top 2 in Group go to semi and bottom team relegation play off. 3rd place is finished for year. Another 8 in Senior B (allows Kildalkey 2 to play in this along with stronger inter teams).
Don't need to have a model like go games where everyone gets a chance. Already this year the only unknown is who will be relegated, Blackhall, Dunderry, Dunboyne are all around the same level.
Maybe some of the weaker teams are being cute and know the senior b championship is their level and making sure they are in that pot at end of group.
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Replying To begining: "People would be better placed doing some coaching with their clubs than complaining about championship structures. No format change is going to make some of the clubs competitive.
Groups of 4 were opposed at a players forum meeting as it reduces the number of hurling games in the calender.
Hurlers have a 7 round league, and are guaranteed 6 championship games in the current format. 13 games total minimum. I think we'll really see the championship come to life when the A and B knockout games are played, there will be a few one sided games up to this point.
Reducing the championship to groups of 4 = 11 games club season. Are we going to improve hurling in the county by playing less of it?
In comparison the club football leagues have 11 rounds, + semi finals = 12 games, + 4 championship = 16 games minimum. Regional competitions on top of that." The options available those at the players forum were very limited. As referenced earlier, I believe you need to give 12 months notice if changes to relegation / promotion are involved. Therefore, changes to an 8 team championship will not happen until 2026 season.
Of course senior B teams voted for this current format. Those hovering around the top of senior B continued to find it hard to get to senior A as it was only 1 up 1 down. Teams towards bottom now get games vs top teams. In theory they can win the championship but it's deluded thinking. 30+ pt hammerings will kill them. And it is certainly not doing top teams any favours.
Any games I've been to have lacked intensity, lacked quality and had no flow at all.
Increase the number of teams in the league if we want more games. They tend to be competitive in the main, especially if county players unavailable.
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Round 3!!
The way Round 2 went, Similar suit is going to follow, Time to guess bigger margins between teams. Intermediate Group B Has thrown up some of the best games of competitive nature so far. I think the top 4 are all in this group.
SENIOR A :
CNG v Trim - Easy again for Trim. Trim by 16
Dunderry v Kildalkey - Dunderry will be knocked after last week, no easier here. Kildalkey by 20
Dunboyne v Kilmessan - Kiilmessan I'd imagine will still want to test themselves and finish 3rd. Kilmessan by 12
SENIOR B :
Ratoath v BHG - Another one sided contest. Ratoath by 15
Killyon v Kiltale - Killyon 2/2 but will lose their 100% record here, Kiltale by 20
Longwood v Na fianna - Although Longwood beaten against Killyon they played well. Na Fianna not at the races. Longwood by 3
Just shows how badly lobsided the Senior championship is when I am only predicting one team to win by less than 10
INTER A :
W Tones v Navan - Navan the best team in this group but not showing anything to suggest they are playing at their best. Navan by 3
Dunboyne v Ashbourne - Ashbourne to win easy enough, they are improving. Ashbourne by 15
Drumree v Kells - Drumree look to have came back a step. Not blowing anybody away in this group. Drumree to still edge this one. Kells will make a dofight of it. Drumree by 2
INTER B :
Boardsmill v Pats - Boardsmill 2/2 and have beaten the Holders. Most people wrote them off in both games. An easy win here will make them 3/3. Boardsmill by 15+
Kildalkey v Rathmolyan - Kildalkey still up there as favourites to win the championship again. Rathmolyan struggle to get over the line against them. Think Kildalkey have too much strength here. but will be tight. Kildalkey by 3
Trim v kilskrye/moylagh - Trim have weakened big time since the first round game with boardsmill. Had to take 4 players to the seniors last week already and it showed against a bad st pats team. Kilskyre unlucky not to beat rathmolyan last week, need a win here which they will get. Kilskyre by 16
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Replying To BrokenStickz: "Round 3!!
The way Round 2 went, Similar suit is going to follow, Time to guess bigger margins between teams. Intermediate Group B Has thrown up some of the best games of competitive nature so far. I think the top 4 are all in this group.
SENIOR A :
CNG v Trim - Easy again for Trim. Trim by 16
Dunderry v Kildalkey - Dunderry will be knocked after last week, no easier here. Kildalkey by 20
Dunboyne v Kilmessan - Kiilmessan I'd imagine will still want to test themselves and finish 3rd. Kilmessan by 12
SENIOR B :
Ratoath v BHG - Another one sided contest. Ratoath by 15
Killyon v Kiltale - Killyon 2/2 but will lose their 100% record here, Kiltale by 20
Longwood v Na fianna - Although Longwood beaten against Killyon they played well. Na Fianna not at the races. Longwood by 3
Just shows how badly lobsided the Senior championship is when I am only predicting one team to win by less than 10
INTER A :
W Tones v Navan - Navan the best team in this group but not showing anything to suggest they are playing at their best. Navan by 3
Dunboyne v Ashbourne - Ashbourne to win easy enough, they are improving. Ashbourne by 15
Drumree v Kells - Drumree look to have came back a step. Not blowing anybody away in this group. Drumree to still edge this one. Kells will make a dofight of it. Drumree by 2
INTER B :
Boardsmill v Pats - Boardsmill 2/2 and have beaten the Holders. Most people wrote them off in both games. An easy win here will make them 3/3. Boardsmill by 15+
Kildalkey v Rathmolyan - Kildalkey still up there as favourites to win the championship again. Rathmolyan struggle to get over the line against them. Think Kildalkey have too much strength here. but will be tight. Kildalkey by 3
Trim v kilskrye/moylagh - Trim have weakened big time since the first round game with boardsmill. Had to take 4 players to the seniors last week already and it showed against a bad st pats team. Kilskyre unlucky not to beat rathmolyan last week, need a win here which they will get. Kilskyre by 16" SENIOR A :
CNG v Trim - A pointless exercise. Trim by 19
Dunderry v Kildalkey - another pointless exercise. Kildalkey by 32, but wouldn't be surprised if they break the 40-point gap.
Dunboyne v Kilmessan - a slightly less pointless exercise, but still a beating. Kilmessan by 15
SENIOR B :
Ratoath v BHG Ratoath by a dozen
Killyon v Kiltale - Kiltale by 31.
Longwood v Na fianna - the only competitive game in the top tier. Na Fianna by the minimum
Wolfe Tones v O Mahonys - Navan should make it 3/3 but haven't massively impressed. You'd hope they have more in the tank to come. NOM by 3
Dunboyne vs Ashbourne - Don/Ash starting to get a reputation for their work rate. Won't need to work too hard here. Them by 13.
Drumree v Kells - I smell an upset - Kells by two.
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Boardsmill v Pats - only one winner, just a question of how many. I'll guess 16.
Kildalkey v Rathmolyon - does Nick Fitz have them rating to go to get over the defeat last week? Calling another upset and going for Rathmolyon by 1 in game of the weekend.
Trim v Kilskyre/Moylagh - a real pity this isn't a game in the first round where you'd have a relatively stronger Trim. K/M get their first win by 11.
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Replying To RR: "SENIOR A :
CNG v Trim - A pointless exercise. Trim by 19
Dunderry v Kildalkey - another pointless exercise. Kildalkey by 32, but wouldn't be surprised if they break the 40-point gap.
Dunboyne v Kilmessan - a slightly less pointless exercise, but still a beating. Kilmessan by 15
SENIOR B :
Ratoath v BHG Ratoath by a dozen
Killyon v Kiltale - Kiltale by 31.
Longwood v Na fianna - the only competitive game in the top tier. Na Fianna by the minimum
Wolfe Tones v O Mahonys - Navan should make it 3/3 but haven't massively impressed. You'd hope they have more in the tank to come. NOM by 3
Dunboyne vs Ashbourne - Don/Ash starting to get a reputation for their work rate. Won't need to work too hard here. Them by 13.
Drumree v Kells - I smell an upset - Kells by two.
INTER B :
Boardsmill v Pats - only one winner, just a question of how many. I'll guess 16.
Kildalkey v Rathmolyon - does Nick Fitz have them rating to go to get over the defeat last week? Calling another upset and going for Rathmolyon by 1 in game of the weekend.
Trim v Kilskyre/Moylagh - a real pity this isn't a game in the first round where you'd have a relatively stronger Trim. K/M get their first win by 11." SENIOR A :
CNG v Trim - A pointless exercise. Trim by 19. Agree
Dunderry v Kildalkey - another pointless exercise. Kildalkey by 32,but wouldn't be surprised if they break the 40-point gap. Agree
Dunboyne v Kilmessan - a slightly less pointless exercise, but still a beating. Kilmessan by 15. Maybe 10 points.
SENIOR B : Ratoath v BHG Ratoath by a dozen. Atleast 20 point defeat. Atleast.
Killyon v Kiltale - Kiltale by 31. Bit harsh on killyon here but a defeat non the less.
Longwood v Na fianna - the only competitive game in the top tier. Na Fianna by the minimum. A longwood win here. Na fianna appear in free fall.
Rickoshay (Meath) - Posts: 18 - 31/07/2024 08:46:12
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SENIOR A :
CNG v Trim - CNG will try and keep it tight, but Trim have plenty of fire power. Trim >12points
Dunderry v Kildalkey - Dunderry just lack depth, Kildalkey will look to start some momentum. Don't think it will be as as easy for Kildalkey as others. Although, Kildalkey to win by10 points.
Dunboyne v Kilmessan - Dunboyne need to have a hard look at themselves. They produce plenty of young hurlers, but this is not reflected at adult. Kilmessan will be hurting from loss to Kildalkey. I expect a good win for Kilmessan. 10 points.
SENIOR B : Ratoath v BHG: Ratoath to win by >15 points; BHG are an Intermediate team, not able for Senior.
Killyon v Kiltale - Kiltale by 12. Killyon always up for the battle. Just not the quality there.
Longwood v Na fianna - I think Longwood will have the experience to see out this young Na Fianna team. It will be open and competitive. Longwood win by 4 points.
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26 point win for Ratoath against BHG. First hiding of the weekend.
TownJohnT (Meath) - Posts: 83 - 01/08/2024 21:54:04
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Hurling clubs have fallen into the big trap, groups of 4 next stop. This years championship will be worse than ever and our Leinster reps will be even less prepared.
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Dunboyne 2nds giving a walkover for the 2nd time in the intermediate championship. Looks shockin' bad. Whatever about it happening in a league, it should not be happening in an intermediate championship
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The more I think about it I think distinct and seperate championships of 6 teams would be another positive change. Each team plays the other 5 teams with top team going in to final with 2nd and 3rd in a semi and bottom automatically getting relegated.
- Each team still gets their 5 champo games
- Peformances in the Leinster JHC would improve
- Gap between bottom and top of each grades is narrow so not a huge jump for promoted teams
Its not perfect and the reduction in knock out games would obviously be an issue, but would reduce time needed to run off competitions on the other hand.
Could look something like the below based on this year.
Senior
Trim
Kildalkey
Ratoath
Kiltale
Kilmessan
Killyon
Senior B
Longwood
Na Fianna
BHG
Dunboyne
Dunderry
Clann na nGael
Inter A
Kildalkey
Rathmolyon
Boardsmill
Kilskyre
NOM
Drumree
Inter B
Wolfe Tones
Don/Ash
Trim
St Pats
Kells
Dunboyne
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Replying To Selwyn: "Dunboyne 2nds giving a walkover for the 2nd time in the intermediate championship. Looks shockin' bad. Whatever about it happening in a league, it should not be happening in an intermediate championship" Looking at the table it looks like their 2nd team are out Down for 5 losses.
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Replying To Islander21: "Looking at the table it looks like their 2nd team are out Down for 5 losses." This could cause hassle if it comes down to score difference. Drumree have +22 on the rest because of the win over Peters.
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Replying To RR: "This could cause hassle if it comes down to score difference. Drumree have +22 on the rest because of the win over Peters." Dunboyne scoreresult wont figure in that, if 2 teams are tied is head to head more than 2 then its based on the games between those teams only.
Islander21 (Meath) - Posts: 19 - 03/08/2024 18:25:11
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Replying To Belt: "The more I think about it I think distinct and seperate championships of 6 teams would be another positive change. Each team plays the other 5 teams with top team going in to final with 2nd and 3rd in a semi and bottom automatically getting relegated.
- Each team still gets their 5 champo games
- Peformances in the Leinster JHC would improve
- Gap between bottom and top of each grades is narrow so not a huge jump for promoted teams
Its not perfect and the reduction in knock out games would obviously be an issue, but would reduce time needed to run off competitions on the other hand.
Could look something like the below based on this year.
Senior
Trim
Kildalkey
Ratoath
Kiltale
Kilmessan
Killyon
Senior B
Longwood
Na Fianna
BHG
Dunboyne
Dunderry
Clann na nGael
Inter A
Kildalkey
Rathmolyon
Boardsmill
Kilskyre
NOM
Drumree
Inter B
Wolfe Tones
Don/Ash
Trim
St Pats
Kells
Dunboyne" No need to massage the ego of these teams.
Senior 6 teams
Intermediate 6 teams
Junior 6 teams
Junior B 6 teams
Junior C 6 teams
Junior D 6 teams
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i like that idea of 6 teams, BUT only if its limited to 3 teams advancing , 1 to the final and 2 to a semi final/play-off.
if 4 teams go through its more killing time dead rubber games. groups of 4 would be my ideal, 2 teams into semi finals, so still 50% of teams get through same way as 3 from 6. in groups of 4 set up, bottom team in each group plays relegation play off, i would reward the team coming 3rd in the group for getting a win or draw by not having them in relegation play off. surely minimum of 3 top class do or die games is plenty for a championship. if clubs complained about not gettting enough hurling games , you could expand the BD/BB/DL cups in March and April to be 4 team groups so each club gets at least 3 cup games before League starts in mid April. Leagues could start mid april with long evenings and go on every second week til late June when finals take place. Cup finals could be finished by May bank holiday. Championship group stages can start 3rd week July over 6 weeks. semi finals early to mid september Final late september.
i think most club players are happy enough to get a break from action from mid sept to after christmas, if they play rugby or soccer in winter.
dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 747 - 05/08/2024 15:57:02
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