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Replying To royal1967:  "Co board are now saying it's head to head changes fixtures in at least 3 divisions"
Why did they release totally different fixtures and then change them. Surely they didn't change the rules after the leagues were completed. Still think it needs explanation from CC.

woodside (Wexford) - Posts: 12 - 09/07/2024 18:52:25    2558095

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Replying To royal1967:  "Shambles"
Leagues round is a bit confusing, div1 skryne top summerhill 2nd on score difference = Clear as daylight , However summerhill taking top position on the head to head with skryne =muddy waters , so semi finals summerhill home to don/Ashbourne and skyrne home to ballinabrackey. I think anyway,, them boyos in Co board love a bit of confusion

royler (Meath) - Posts: 278 - 09/07/2024 20:25:18    2558107

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Replying To royal1967:  "Shambles"
The website parameters is setup to calculate scores so that why the positions will be different to the rules that were set out prior to the competition starting, Doesn't take into account head to head (can't) . So if people don't know them then its there issues and not one for the County Board. That's how Id see it.

Nothingbutthetruth (Meath) - Posts: 67 - 15/07/2024 11:35:38    2559249

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Predictions for winners 1-10

Skryne
Dunshaughlin
Rathkenny
Castletown
Slane
Cilles
Ballinlough
Dunderry
Slane
Syddan

Goldback (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 15/07/2024 13:35:16    2559279

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Replying To Nothingbutthetruth:  "The website parameters is setup to calculate scores so that why the positions will be different to the rules that were set out prior to the competition starting, Doesn't take into account head to head (can't) . So if people don't know them then its there issues and not one for the County Board. That's how Id see it."
The div 6 league positions were in the right order by head to head up to just b4 the last round and then it changed to score difference so ur point doesn't add up

royal1967 (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 15/07/2024 22:36:35    2559412

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Replying To Nothingbutthetruth:  "The website parameters is setup to calculate scores so that why the positions will be different to the rules that were set out prior to the competition starting, Doesn't take into account head to head (can't) . So if people don't know them then its there issues and not one for the County Board. That's how Id see it."
Incorrect.

The website had taken into account head to head for years and will do again in championship.

The league rules and regulations were sent out before the league started and it was confirmed that they were using score difference as opposed to head to head.

Towards the end of the league some clubs sought clarification and confirmation that it was indeed score difference that was being used to decide league positions. They were given the confirmation that it was indeed score difference being used.

Then a few days after the league the CB decided to change back to using head to head for league standings which then affect some teams in terms of the final league position.

Royal1967 is correct. Truly shambolic stuff

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 16/07/2024 13:54:14    2559522

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A few tasty games on this evening, Summerhill against Donaghmore/Ashbourne in the Division 1 semifinal, both teams are in the same group for the championship. The pick of local derbies Drumbaragh V Ballinlough.

madmeath (Meath) - Posts: 83 - 18/07/2024 11:54:34    2559878

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Incorrect.

The website had taken into account head to head for years and will do again in championship.

The league rules and regulations were sent out before the league started and it was confirmed that they were using score difference as opposed to head to head.

Towards the end of the league some clubs sought clarification and confirmation that it was indeed score difference that was being used to decide league positions. They were given the confirmation that it was indeed score difference being used.

Then a few days after the league the CB decided to change back to using head to head for league standings which then affect some teams in terms of the final league position.

Royal1967 is correct. Truly shambolic stuff"
So under the present situation, the club who finished top of division1could loose out on playing in the league final and teams who finished top of subsequent divisions could also lose out in playing in the league finals and miss promotion , am I correct or am I missing something here ? If so would it not be fairer to have the teams who top the divisions play in the finals with automatic promotion and 2nd and 3rd teams play a semifinal for the right to play in league final and gain promotion in the lower divisions, and scrap the head to heads in the leagues

royler (Meath) - Posts: 278 - 18/07/2024 18:46:28    2559969

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Incorrect.

The website had taken into account head to head for years and will do again in championship.

The league rules and regulations were sent out before the league started and it was confirmed that they were using score difference as opposed to head to head.

Towards the end of the league some clubs sought clarification and confirmation that it was indeed score difference that was being used to decide league positions. They were given the confirmation that it was indeed score difference being used.

Then a few days after the league the CB decided to change back to using head to head for league standings which then affect some teams in terms of the final league position.

Royal1967 is correct. Truly shambolic stuff"
So under the present situation, the club who finished top of division1could loose out on playing in the league final and teams who finished top of subsequent divisions could also lose out in playing in the league finals and miss promotion , am I correct or am I missing something here ? If so would it not be fairer to have the teams who top the divisions play in the finals with automatic promotion and 2nd and 3rd teams play a semifinal for the right to play in league final and gain promotion in the lower divisions, and scrap the head to heads in the leagues

royler (Meath) - Posts: 278 - 18/07/2024 22:26:59    2559984

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Replying To royler:  "So under the present situation, the club who finished top of division1could loose out on playing in the league final and teams who finished top of subsequent divisions could also lose out in playing in the league finals and miss promotion , am I correct or am I missing something here ? If so would it not be fairer to have the teams who top the divisions play in the finals with automatic promotion and 2nd and 3rd teams play a semifinal for the right to play in league final and gain promotion in the lower divisions, and scrap the head to heads in the leagues"
just happened in div 4 Castletown and Drumbaragh finished 1st and 2nd both losth their semi final tonught. Ratoath and Ballinlough into final and promoted.

Islander21 (Meath) - Posts: 22 - 18/07/2024 22:32:17    2559985

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Replying To royler:  "So under the present situation, the club who finished top of division1could loose out on playing in the league final and teams who finished top of subsequent divisions could also lose out in playing in the league finals and miss promotion , am I correct or am I missing something here ? If so would it not be fairer to have the teams who top the divisions play in the finals with automatic promotion and 2nd and 3rd teams play a semifinal for the right to play in league final and gain promotion in the lower divisions, and scrap the head to heads in the leagues"
That would be correct. And the other scenario at the bottom of a league is a team with zero points could still survive relegation!

The scheduling has been good to be fair. But league rules are contradictory to the principle of a league based competition.

I agree,
First wins league and promotion
2nd & 3rd play for promotion
No head to head

Bottom two automatically go down.
Points deciding factor.
Score difference if teams level at bottom.

You know, like a league!!

Meathooooo (Meath) - Posts: 88 - 19/07/2024 06:32:59    2559999

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Replying To Meathooooo:  "That would be correct. And the other scenario at the bottom of a league is a team with zero points could still survive relegation!

The scheduling has been good to be fair. But league rules are contradictory to the principle of a league based competition.

I agree,
First wins league and promotion
2nd & 3rd play for promotion
No head to head

Bottom two automatically go down.
Points deciding factor.
Score difference if teams level at bottom.

You know, like a league!!"
i can see the point of this, but the county board want to give the clubs who suffer throughout the league without their county players. As ballinlough went the majority of the league without their county hurlers.. and since they have arrived back have seen a massive surge in form and are now in league final. The ordinary club players suffer without their county clubmate. Overall i agree team that finishes top should be promoted/ in the final.

Champoking2018 (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 19/07/2024 09:49:18    2560017

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Some decision to move all league finals to the same week as Hurling Championship, any reason that anyone knows of why they've brought them forward a week from what was in the master planner?? After what was a well ran competition fixture wise this just makes a complete mess of it

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 19/07/2024 12:40:17    2560053

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Replying To Islander21:  "just happened in div 4 Castletown and Drumbaragh finished 1st and 2nd both losth their semi final tonught. Ratoath and Ballinlough into final and promoted."
Ok this Proves the point , so top team gone, 4th placed team promoted, has a feeling of unjust about the whole league in its present format

royler (Meath) - Posts: 278 - 19/07/2024 12:55:16    2560058

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Who exactly was crying out for extra league games?
Clubs must be asking for it because nothing else can explain this new format.
Its hard to know where to even start with the flaws , and worse the unfairness to certain clubs throughout the leagues.
14 games to win a league or lose all 12 games finish bottom and get one fluke result and stay up, silly stuff.

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 424 - 19/07/2024 13:06:11    2560060

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This was discussed at Length at county board meetings. This was voted on and passed with flying Colours. You need to talk to your club delegate. Personally games beat training, the main flaw I see with it is that Clubs were allowed change a lot of games so this caused a big issues especially with Dual clubs and clubs who had footballers playing Hurling in another parish. In Dublin there ar 15 team in most leagues. Play Wed and Sat for 4 weeks in Div 1 to 4 and Tue and Sunday morning and not a word about it and every second week its hurling

Nothingbutthetruth (Meath) - Posts: 67 - 19/07/2024 15:43:07    2560091

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Replying To ratlag:  "Some decision to move all league finals to the same week as Hurling Championship, any reason that anyone knows of why they've brought them forward a week from what was in the master planner?? After what was a well ran competition fixture wise this just makes a complete mess of it"
Only hurling.

Meathooooo (Meath) - Posts: 88 - 19/07/2024 21:44:36    2560121

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Leagues all finished now and I have to say that I think it was probably the best run League in a long time, little to no fixture clashes between 1sta nd 2nd/3rd teams, and a decent gap between football and hurling (I stand to be corrected but I didn't notice many to close or teams complaining) up until the finals. Personally I just thing any final should be played on a weekend (Fri-Sun) to give teams a chance to celebrate, its a long campaign so if you manage to make a final and win it then I think you deserve a chance to enjoy it.

The only change I would make which has been mentioned here before is that if you finish top of the league then you are automatically promoted and into the final and only 2nd v 3rd play in a semi final, similar to bottom of the league, if you finish rock bottom then you are relegated and 2nd last play 3rd last. My own club Ratoath benefitted from the format this year, finished 4th in the league and ended up winning it, beating Castletown in the semi final who only lost 1 game all year up until that and are still in Div4 next year, this isn't how a league should end up in my opinion.

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 25/07/2024 11:00:47    2561433

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Replying To ratlag:  "Leagues all finished now and I have to say that I think it was probably the best run League in a long time, little to no fixture clashes between 1sta nd 2nd/3rd teams, and a decent gap between football and hurling (I stand to be corrected but I didn't notice many to close or teams complaining) up until the finals. Personally I just thing any final should be played on a weekend (Fri-Sun) to give teams a chance to celebrate, its a long campaign so if you manage to make a final and win it then I think you deserve a chance to enjoy it.

The only change I would make which has been mentioned here before is that if you finish top of the league then you are automatically promoted and into the final and only 2nd v 3rd play in a semi final, similar to bottom of the league, if you finish rock bottom then you are relegated and 2nd last play 3rd last. My own club Ratoath benefitted from the format this year, finished 4th in the league and ended up winning it, beating Castletown in the semi final who only lost 1 game all year up until that and are still in Div4 next year, this isn't how a league should end up in my opinion."
Should a team that gives a walkover be allowed to win a league title? Understand perhaps the lower divisions from div 7 and below this could be the case but what are peoples thoughts?

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 587 - 25/07/2024 12:59:33    2561477

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Replying To winatallcost:  "Should a team that gives a walkover be allowed to win a league title? Understand perhaps the lower divisions from div 7 and below this could be the case but what are peoples thoughts?"
I don't see why not, if they've conceded a walk over for whatever reason (and it can genuinely happen) then they have already been punished by dropping points and losing out on all head to heads if they finish level on points regardless whether or not they won the corresponding game, so if they still manage to finish in the top 3 or 4 of the league then they've earned their chance to win the league as well

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 25/07/2024 15:32:31    2561535

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