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Meath Clubs In Leinster 2023

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Replying To MillerX:  "Pat's didn't forfeit. As our hurling clubs in Leinster are a 'grade behind' our Senior Champions play in the Leinster Intermediate and so our Intermediate representatives play in the Leinster Junior Championship. There is no Junior 'B' so our Junior representatives have no provincial championship to play in. A number of years ago a Limerick club organised a Tournament for Junior B/2 champions but I believe it was deemed illegal by the GAA because a maximum of eight teams are allowed in a Tournament according to the Official Guide and so it quietly slipped off the GAA calendar."
I'm fairly sure there was a Leinster Junior Special hurling championship at pne point in recent yeara, it may have been discontinued. I have a recollection of St. Pats playing in it when they won the JHC a few years ago

Belt (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 27/10/2023 09:57:55    2510576

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Replying To Belt:  "I'm fairly sure there was a Leinster Junior Special hurling championship at pne point in recent yeara, it may have been discontinued. I have a recollection of St. Pats playing in it when they won the JHC a few years ago"
Yes, they probably did as well as other winners of the JHC BUT as I posted above it wasn't a championship but a tournament and as more than 8 teams participated it was in conflict with the Official Guide, was therefore not entitled to a permit and participants may not have been covered by insurance etc. Now I could suggest that a number of clubs could organise let's say a North Leinster Junior Tournament, a South Leinster Tournament, a Munster Tournament, a Connacht plus one Tournament and an Ulster minus one Tournament with a rota of the Ulster teams to visit Connacht each year established. Then a Super Tournament of all the winners.
Or,
Put forward a motion to congress to address the fact that Junior Hurling Champions in weaker counties get no opportunity to play in provincial and All Ireland championships. There are several counties affected. In effect that for any county that does not participate at Senior Club level then the clubs winning their Intermediate or Junior championship is potentially affected. For example the winners of the Louth, Longford, Leitrim and Sligo Senior Championship play at provincial Junior level (not sure about Ulster) so any lower level champions are locked out of provincial competition. Now it may be the case that such championships don't exist or are won by second teams and are therefore ineligible BUT definitely clubs in Meath, Wicklow, Kerry etc are affected some years. If the proposed restructuring of the Meath Hurling Championships takes place I can see a few club's first teams competing in the Junior Championship.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 27/10/2023 11:20:33    2510602

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I'll concede I was wrong on Pats but there was a Leinster Junior Special Championship that was equivalent to Junior B and Meath teams competed, clearly now scrapped.
My argument holds that Meath shouldn't enter a team if they don't win their championship. 14th best team is effectively going out to rep the county and based on form in this competition the result is only going to be one way and really what interest would the players from NOM have.

off_the_wall (Roscommon) - Posts: 64 - 27/10/2023 13:00:56    2510618

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Replying To off_the_wall:  "I'll concede I was wrong on Pats but there was a Leinster Junior Special Championship that was equivalent to Junior B and Meath teams competed, clearly now scrapped.
My argument holds that Meath shouldn't enter a team if they don't win their championship. 14th best team is effectively going out to rep the county and based on form in this competition the result is only going to be one way and really what interest would the players from NOM have."
Problem is that the various provincial championship draws are made long before the local championships are completed. And this really has to be the case because preliminary rounds are required and counties in those preliminary rounds are expected to complete their championships to play in this round.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 27/10/2023 14:07:10    2510629

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Navan were at a disadvantage. Only 8 senior teams in Kildare and 12 in Meath.

2020Vision (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 03/11/2023 10:58:12    2511394

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Anybody know anything about this Hawkfield pitch the Summerhill game is fixed for? Much space to watch a game in comfort?

GenderNeutral (Meath) - Posts: 112 - 04/11/2023 08:31:44    2511480

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Replying To 2020Vision:  "Navan were at a disadvantage. Only 8 senior teams in Kildare and 12 in Meath."
I noticed that they also used a number of subs against Leixlip in comparison to the games v Kildalkey.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 04/11/2023 11:02:00    2511485

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Replying To GenderNeutral:  "Anybody know anything about this Hawkfield pitch the Summerhill game is fixed for? Much space to watch a game in comfort?"
There is a small stand there, might hold a couple of hundred. There is terracing either side of the stand then but they'd be tight enough too. Other 3 sides of the ground don't have anything on them.

Belt (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 04/11/2023 19:22:52    2511502

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Replying To GenderNeutral:  "Anybody know anything about this Hawkfield pitch the Summerhill game is fixed for? Much space to watch a game in comfort?"
its there center of excellence, 1st pitch is very good with some seats\shelter etc, very little parking though

fred2 (Meath) - Posts: 23 - 04/11/2023 20:33:53    2511512

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Replying To fred2:  "its there center of excellence, 1st pitch is very good with some seats\shelter etc, very little parking though"
The paved car park is small but they use fields next door when there is a big crowd, plenty of space there

Belt (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 05/11/2023 11:55:20    2511551

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Fairly poor from our senior champions again, 8 points scored, only 3 from play. Are teams just coached to play keep ball and only shoot when you're 150% sure it's going over? Ridiculous stuff. Naas are a very good team don't get me wrong, but to go out without laying a glove on them is very very poor.

Watched some of the Kilmacud and Eire Og game last night and despite being about 1-10 to 0-3 down, Eire Og just happy to keep the ball and go laterally back and forward. Not a bit of urgency.

Keeping position is absolutely pointless if you can't do anything with it, and we're seeing that more and more these days. Makes for horrible viewing.

Well done to Rathkenny yesterday, our Junior and Intermediate teams are always capable of taking a few scalps in Leinster and going deep into the competition. While as usual our senior champions go out with a whimper.

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 208 - 05/11/2023 16:21:41    2511592

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Summerhill well beaten in the end. Got it back to two points at one stage but Naas cut them open several times and should have had atleast three goals in the fist half.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 935 - 05/11/2023 16:44:11    2511594

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Replying To hyperache:  "Fairly poor from our senior champions again, 8 points scored, only 3 from play. Are teams just coached to play keep ball and only shoot when you're 150% sure it's going over? Ridiculous stuff. Naas are a very good team don't get me wrong, but to go out without laying a glove on them is very very poor.

Watched some of the Kilmacud and Eire Og game last night and despite being about 1-10 to 0-3 down, Eire Og just happy to keep the ball and go laterally back and forward. Not a bit of urgency.

Keeping position is absolutely pointless if you can't do anything with it, and we're seeing that more and more these days. Makes for horrible viewing.

Well done to Rathkenny yesterday, our Junior and Intermediate teams are always capable of taking a few scalps in Leinster and going deep into the competition. While as usual our senior champions go out with a whimper."
While the senior county champions do not have a good record when it comes to winning or getting to finals, I think you are a little harsh on Summerhill. There were two points in the game with ten minutes to go, which was good considering Summerhill conceded 1-2 without reply in the first five minutes of the game.
Naas are multiple Kildare champions, looked assured and had goal chances. They broke for a goal with 10 to go and added some late points when Summerhill were chasing a goal rather than taking points.
Last year Ratoath lost a semi-final by a point after a disastrous first half display against The Downs in Croke Park.
There are plenty of counties in Leinster where one club team is dominant, such as Kilmacud, Naas or St Lomans. They are seasoned and tend to get to the business end of provincial championships.
Four or five clubs could win the Meath SFC, there is a better spread of ability rather than one outstanding team.
Having said that, if Ratoath had a full deck, were injury free and their hurlers were out of the championship early, they would be very close in Leinster.

Roger (Meath) - Posts: 471 - 05/11/2023 19:26:09    2511619

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Not sure they'll admit it - but I'm sure The Hill will be happy enough with their lot for the year. Getting the County Final monkey off their back will allow for a huge sigh of relief.

They looked like a team that used up all their energy achieving that goal today. 12 wides and some basic errors was a far cry from the hunger and efficiency shown 4 weeks ago. That said, they had Naas on the ropes with 10 to go and 2 down, they were turned over badly trying to make it a 1 point game and within 60 seconds they were 6 down! Them's the breaks! Ryan at full back was a huge loss.

Good away support today including a lot from other Meath clubs. There is a genuine wish to see Meath clubs push on in Leinster. The Hill and Ratoath will be the front runners again next year…but the chasing pack primarily Ashbourne and Cilles are not far away!

GenderNeutral (Meath) - Posts: 112 - 05/11/2023 20:17:50    2511631

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Replying To Roger:  "While the senior county champions do not have a good record when it comes to winning or getting to finals, I think you are a little harsh on Summerhill. There were two points in the game with ten minutes to go, which was good considering Summerhill conceded 1-2 without reply in the first five minutes of the game.
Naas are multiple Kildare champions, looked assured and had goal chances. They broke for a goal with 10 to go and added some late points when Summerhill were chasing a goal rather than taking points.
Last year Ratoath lost a semi-final by a point after a disastrous first half display against The Downs in Croke Park.
There are plenty of counties in Leinster where one club team is dominant, such as Kilmacud, Naas or St Lomans. They are seasoned and tend to get to the business end of provincial championships.
Four or five clubs could win the Meath SFC, there is a better spread of ability rather than one outstanding team.
Having said that, if Ratoath had a full deck, were injury free and their hurlers were out of the championship early, they would be very close in Leinster."
Full deck, no injuries and the hurlers gone? That's a lot of ifs.

Premier12345 (Tipperary) - Posts: 38 - 05/11/2023 20:43:14    2511636

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Naas the far better side and the score doesn't flatter them.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 935 - 06/11/2023 06:49:06    2511665

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Replying To Roger:  "While the senior county champions do not have a good record when it comes to winning or getting to finals, I think you are a little harsh on Summerhill. There were two points in the game with ten minutes to go, which was good considering Summerhill conceded 1-2 without reply in the first five minutes of the game.
Naas are multiple Kildare champions, looked assured and had goal chances. They broke for a goal with 10 to go and added some late points when Summerhill were chasing a goal rather than taking points.
Last year Ratoath lost a semi-final by a point after a disastrous first half display against The Downs in Croke Park.
There are plenty of counties in Leinster where one club team is dominant, such as Kilmacud, Naas or St Lomans. They are seasoned and tend to get to the business end of provincial championships.
Four or five clubs could win the Meath SFC, there is a better spread of ability rather than one outstanding team.
Having said that, if Ratoath had a full deck, were injury free and their hurlers were out of the championship early, they would be very close in Leinster."
Sorry what 4 or 5 clubs can win meath sfc ?

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 891 - 06/11/2023 07:38:56    2511666

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Replying To Roger:  "While the senior county champions do not have a good record when it comes to winning or getting to finals, I think you are a little harsh on Summerhill. There were two points in the game with ten minutes to go, which was good considering Summerhill conceded 1-2 without reply in the first five minutes of the game.
Naas are multiple Kildare champions, looked assured and had goal chances. They broke for a goal with 10 to go and added some late points when Summerhill were chasing a goal rather than taking points.
Last year Ratoath lost a semi-final by a point after a disastrous first half display against The Downs in Croke Park.
There are plenty of counties in Leinster where one club team is dominant, such as Kilmacud, Naas or St Lomans. They are seasoned and tend to get to the business end of provincial championships.
Four or five clubs could win the Meath SFC, there is a better spread of ability rather than one outstanding team.
Having said that, if Ratoath had a full deck, were injury free and their hurlers were out of the championship early, they would be very close in Leinster."
The Kildare championship is actually very competitive with a kick of a ball between top four or five clubs

LilywhiteGael (Kildare) - Posts: 94 - 06/11/2023 08:46:05    2511672

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Wasn't surprised unfortunately that Summerhill got stuffed in the end. As I said in a previous post kildare club football is streets ahead of meath club football in terms of quality. Why exactly that is I have no idea but it is.

The top 4 teams in Kildare would beat all clubs in meath probably 8 out of 10 times.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 06/11/2023 09:50:39    2511681

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Replying To Roger:  "While the senior county champions do not have a good record when it comes to winning or getting to finals, I think you are a little harsh on Summerhill. There were two points in the game with ten minutes to go, which was good considering Summerhill conceded 1-2 without reply in the first five minutes of the game.
Naas are multiple Kildare champions, looked assured and had goal chances. They broke for a goal with 10 to go and added some late points when Summerhill were chasing a goal rather than taking points.
Last year Ratoath lost a semi-final by a point after a disastrous first half display against The Downs in Croke Park.
There are plenty of counties in Leinster where one club team is dominant, such as Kilmacud, Naas or St Lomans. They are seasoned and tend to get to the business end of provincial championships.
Four or five clubs could win the Meath SFC, there is a better spread of ability rather than one outstanding team.
Having said that, if Ratoath had a full deck, were injury free and their hurlers were out of the championship early, they would be very close in Leinster."
If they this if they that. At the end of the day they didn't. It annoys me reading all about Ratoath being riddled with injuries, give me one club in this championship that played the campaign with no injuries

COUNTYTOCOUNTY (Meath) - Posts: 23 - 06/11/2023 10:45:02    2511697

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