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Senior Championship 2022

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "8 from 8, if only I were a betting man.

Groups B, C and D are sorted, it's just a matter of who finishes first and second which is important as Summerhill will want to avoid Ratoath or Tones and visa versa.

Group A is still interesting, Tones need a draw or win to guarantee top spot however if Seneschalstown win by 6 or more and Skryne win by 5 or more then Tones are in relegation.
Cilles can also qualify, if Tones beat Seneschalstown by 6 and Cilles win by 7, Tones and Cilles are in the quarters.

My quarter final line up is as follows:
Tones vs Kells
Ratoath vs Skryne
Summerhill vs Moynalvey
Trim vs Na Fianna"
Is it an open draw for the quarter finals this year with the 4 group winners in one pot and the 4 second place teams in the other pot (obviously no team can be drawn against another team from their group) ?

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 330 - 22/08/2022 10:52:47    2438235

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "8 from 8, if only I were a betting man.

Groups B, C and D are sorted, it's just a matter of who finishes first and second which is important as Summerhill will want to avoid Ratoath or Tones and visa versa.

Group A is still interesting, Tones need a draw or win to guarantee top spot however if Seneschalstown win by 6 or more and Skryne win by 5 or more then Tones are in relegation.
Cilles can also qualify, if Tones beat Seneschalstown by 6 and Cilles win by 7, Tones and Cilles are in the quarters.

My quarter final line up is as follows:
Tones vs Kells
Ratoath vs Skryne
Summerhill vs Moynalvey
Trim vs Na Fianna"
some great games yesterday - I was under the impression it is an an open draw this year for quarters - maybe i imagined it

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 22/08/2022 11:09:40    2438240

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Got to go to 3 games at the weekend. Skyrne and Seneschalstown was full of mistakes. Skryne probably the better side in particular in the 3rd quarter but Seneschalstown kicked loads of wides in the first half in particular Keating and Finnegan from frees who you'd expect to be scoring. They were still right in the game before they gifted Skryne a goal with a bad back pass. Campion made a few mistakes but you could still see his class, got 3 from play and got on the ball loads. Should be a shoo in for a call up again under COR. Dunboyne Na Fianna went the wrong way from my perspective unfortunately. Stop start form all year and missing too many lads unfortunately. Na Fianna were value for their win. I've watched both their games Shane Walsh looks like he's back to his old self. I couldn't wrap my head around his Meath form the past 3 seasons as he's shown so much promise at underage, club, Sigerson and flashes with the county. A big part of COR's job will be to get him firing for Meath. Then Ratoath Ashbourne. The first half was brilliant. Ashbourne came out like a house on fire. Unbelievable off ball runs, carving Ratoath up. The red cards killed Ashbourne and the game unfortunately although they were probably warranted. When Ratoath get on top they can put up scores in a hurry though and McGowan and Flynn in midfield both seemed to have improved a lot after county exposure this year. Ratoath used to be seen as a small team but not anymore McGill, G McGowan, D McGowan, Jack Flynn and Keith McCabe are all massive men and the spine of the team. Flynn and McGowan in midfield are now the engine of the team and I think they make them tick more than the Wallace's (Joey was injured at the weekend) and McMahon do. In Campion, Walsh, D McGowan and Flynn I saw 4 young lads with real physicality in good form. Hopefully that carries through to Meath"
Who was sent off in the Ratoath game and when was it?

Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 584 - 22/08/2022 11:53:41    2438249

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Replying To Bear10:  "some great games yesterday - I was under the impression it is an an open draw this year for quarters - maybe i imagined it"
Heard the same yesterday from Wolfe tones official open draw in quarterfinals and relegation

royler (Meath) - Posts: 278 - 22/08/2022 12:01:41    2438252

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Replying To Maestro:  "Who was sent off in the Ratoath game and when was it?"
Deegan was sent off after about 20mins for a stupid elbow back into McGill when he had the ball already and Ashbourne were in complete control. Definite turning point in the game

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 22/08/2022 12:06:26    2438253

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Replying To Bear10:  "some great games yesterday - I was under the impression it is an an open draw this year for quarters - maybe i imagined it"
The 4 first place teams go into one pot and the 4 2nd place in another pot and it's a first place team v a 2nd place team drawn out. I'm not sure if you can be drawn against the team you already played in your group but I would imagine you wouldn't be able to be.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 22/08/2022 12:11:05    2438254

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Replying To Maestro:  "Who was sent off in the Ratoath game and when was it?"
Michael Deegan 5 mins before half time. And I think it was Ethan Tormey about 5 mins after half time

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 22/08/2022 12:13:01    2438256

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Replying To Bear10:  "some great games yesterday - I was under the impression it is an an open draw this year for quarters - maybe i imagined it"
There's a draw for the QFs but it's not an open draw. Every group winner will be drawn against a group runner up, and obviously teams from the same group can't play each other in a QF.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1664 - 22/08/2022 12:16:08    2438258

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Ashbourne can be a lot better and might show a bit in the next round such as it is and relegation playoffs. The suspensions will force selection changes for the better and Andrew Tormey was missing. The scummy side was too prevalent for a club with such classy players as Bryan Menton and the Mc Governs, Cormac Reilly gave them every chance to a fault. the full forward and a wing forward continuously did nothing but hit from behind. one was sent off and the other volunteered to go off when Ratoath started hitting back. Full respect for the referee on the Day but in this situation earlier cards might be useful to prevent injuries when the scummy ones are obvious, And every club has one.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 549 - 22/08/2022 13:27:32    2438274

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I was listening to the lads on we are Meath and talk a good game last night

There was a fair bit of talk about the fact that only one group remains undecided on SFC and a lot of comments of the 'dead rubbers' that will take place in the next round

Just wondering- would it make sense to structure the group stages differently

Group winners go into quarter final automatically

2nd and 3rd placed teams ply one another with.2nd teams avoiding one another - winners go into 1/4s

4th place teams then play off to avoid relegation

This would leave all games having a value and avoid a situation where a team who wins two games avoids being involved in relegation

It also means teams get at least 4 meaningful games

Any thoughts!!

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 23/08/2022 08:04:56    2438324

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "I was listening to the lads on we are Meath and talk a good game last night

There was a fair bit of talk about the fact that only one group remains undecided on SFC and a lot of comments of the 'dead rubbers' that will take place in the next round

Just wondering- would it make sense to structure the group stages differently

Group winners go into quarter final automatically

2nd and 3rd placed teams ply one another with.2nd teams avoiding one another - winners go into 1/4s

4th place teams then play off to avoid relegation

This would leave all games having a value and avoid a situation where a team who wins two games avoids being involved in relegation

It also means teams get at least 4 meaningful games

Any thoughts!!"
I wouldn't be a fan of it because you'd play a full group just to get rid of 4 teams from the championship and removes the cut throat element of it. What's a great idea is what happens in the Dublin championship. They announce the first round of games. And then after that in the group the two teams that won the first round play eachother in round 2 of the group. So for example last weekend it would have been Dunboyne vs Bracks, Summerhill vs NaF or Kells vs Ratoath, Ashbourne vs Simonstown. That way you won't have a situation like in 3 of the groups in the Meath senior where going into the last week you've 2 teams on 4 and 2 teams on 0 and everything is decided

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 23/08/2022 09:58:34    2438340

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There was a penalty awarded to St Colmcilles on Sunday for a foot block by a Tones player, i am aware that many people who attend games do not fully know the rules ( as they change so often ) but for a referee to not understand is unacceptable. This was actually discussed on national radio a few weeks back about what a foot block is. The ball hitting a players foot is not a foot block when that player is 2 metres away

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1489 - 23/08/2022 11:09:44    2438359

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "I was listening to the lads on we are Meath and talk a good game last night

There was a fair bit of talk about the fact that only one group remains undecided on SFC and a lot of comments of the 'dead rubbers' that will take place in the next round

Just wondering- would it make sense to structure the group stages differently

Group winners go into quarter final automatically

2nd and 3rd placed teams ply one another with.2nd teams avoiding one another - winners go into 1/4s

4th place teams then play off to avoid relegation

This would leave all games having a value and avoid a situation where a team who wins two games avoids being involved in relegation

It also means teams get at least 4 meaningful games

Any thoughts!!"
Teams in relegation will want to finish third so as to get a bottom team from another group. There are teams with two wins from two who could still be in relegation

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1489 - 23/08/2022 11:13:10    2438362

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "I wouldn't be a fan of it because you'd play a full group just to get rid of 4 teams from the championship and removes the cut throat element of it. What's a great idea is what happens in the Dublin championship. They announce the first round of games. And then after that in the group the two teams that won the first round play eachother in round 2 of the group. So for example last weekend it would have been Dunboyne vs Bracks, Summerhill vs NaF or Kells vs Ratoath, Ashbourne vs Simonstown. That way you won't have a situation like in 3 of the groups in the Meath senior where going into the last week you've 2 teams on 4 and 2 teams on 0 and everything is decided"
Saw this mentioned on Twitter as well and think it'd be a good idea alright! If their intent is to keep the bottom two going into the relegation playoffs in the future (and I can see pros and cons to that), then it's a very simple change to pretty much guarantee that there are no dead rubbers going into the final round.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1374 - 23/08/2022 12:20:52    2438383

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Replying To Analyst:  "Teams in relegation will want to finish third so as to get a bottom team from another group. There are teams with two wins from two who could still be in relegation"
It's behond a joke that you could win two games in your group and still end up in the relegation play offs. Even winning one game in a group of four is more than good enough to avoid stupid over sized relegation play offs.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 23/08/2022 12:22:56    2438384

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The relegation set up is a terrible arrangement and you ask any player on any team and they will agree. This Bull of "an extra championship game" is pure nonsense and nothing more than extra gate receipts for the county board. Top 2 into a quarter final and bottom only into a relegation semi final and low a behold, you have no dead rubber games while at the same time not potentially screwing over a team who has won 2 out of 3 matches and missed out by a 1 point score difference.

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 23/08/2022 13:10:28    2438398

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "It's behond a joke that you could win two games in your group and still end up in the relegation play offs. Even winning one game in a group of four is more than good enough to avoid stupid over sized relegation play offs."
Curraha and NOM would agree with you! Two weakest in SFC. Both in same group. So until they seed the groups it is fair.

Goldback (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 23/08/2022 13:32:25    2438406

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How is 2 teams entering the relegation playoffs any more stupid than 2 teams going into the Quarter Finals?

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1664 - 23/08/2022 19:31:07    2438472

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "How is 2 teams entering the relegation playoffs any more stupid than 2 teams going into the Quarter Finals?"
Well its fairly simple, if 2 teams don't go into the quarter finals then they would be into semi finals.
A relegation playoff is a punishment for doing the worst in a group, finishing third, potentially on score difference and the same points as second place shouldn't result in a relegation match,

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 24/08/2022 09:14:09    2438500

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While I agree that the 3rd place team going into relegation seems unnecessary it's much ado about nothing really. If you finished 3rd with 4 points and were unlucky with points difference then surely there's absolutely no way you'll be losing 3 games against the bottom half of senior teams that year. The argument for it being unnecessary is that it drastically devalues not coming last which leads to a chance of more dead rubbers. But if a team losses 3 games on the bounce in the relegation playoffs I don't think they can have any complaints

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 24/08/2022 09:18:25    2438502

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