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A lot of the players looked pretty gassed in the second half. Is it too much to hope that we are targeting our exercise peak for the championship …?

cabbage (Meath) - Posts: 153 - 06/02/2022 18:26:45    2398643

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Better performance than last week. They kept fighting, how Roscommon didn't have 3 black cards and two reds I'll never know. Again it was t he last ten minutes of first half that lost us the game. Why this keeps happening is anyones guess at this stage. For those saying management should go ? What ?? Mcentee is there till our year is over. End of. To bring in someone now would be absolutely crazy beyond belief. Btw who ??
Anyway we now in a battle to stay in division 2. That's all that matters at this stage.
On another note the bust up was nasty. James mc deserve the red no doubt but what about the rossie who was banging O'Sullivan head against the steel ? That ok ? I'm hugely disappointed. But what we need now is those who want the job NEXT YEAR, need to start to be talked to have them attend all games. With Andy been assured no one is coming in this year but his contract is up and won't be renewed.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19184 - 06/02/2022 19:58:21    2398691

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Its coming down to a mini league between Meath, Down and Offaly (Cork will have the Finbarrs lads back, so expect them to be ok) to see who takes the drop. This Meath team is at an all time low, with another shambolic display today. Time to shake things up, manager has become a liability and has nothing left to offer. The dressing room needs a reasonable voice and one who can lead by example and not the antics we see on sideline all too often. Let one of the backroom team take over until a new appointment can be made in due course. Otherwise we can look forward to Tailtean Cup come summer. However, to do this too many would have to eat humble pie and admit extention should never have been granted last year. This set-up have being found wanting from day one and current panel seem devoid of even the basic skill required for intercounty football. We got lucky in 2019, but the luck ran out in Division Two final that year and it has been a steady slide backwards since.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2090 - 06/02/2022 20:02:02    2398694

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I'm 6 years watching Andy's teams and still don't know the Meath game plan! I don't know their defensive set-up, midfield intentions, kick-out strategy or offensive plan aside from give the ball to COS put the head down and run!

Colm Nally can't get an easy ride here either. Nice drills don't cover for structural inefficiencies! I don't doubt the efforts being put in by players and coaches. I don't doubt their fitness or endeavours. But I do doubt that the players are fully aware of what their default position is in attack and defence. And that's not good enough in 2022!

GenderNeutral (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 06/02/2022 20:24:47    2398712

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Andy came in at a low ebb and at least moved us to have a basically fit team (which compared to teams in the modern era we were way off before). In truth his time at the helm we have had a serious lack of talent player wise (especially forward wise), best forwards available in Andy's time was Newman/ Reilly but Andy's time never really coincided with their peak years. Now, especially after watching first 2 league matches I have the feeling Andy's management has run its course. This year I think Andy we will probably end up keeping us in div 2 (I think will beat Down and Offaly) but after this year a fresh voice will probably be needed. Usually unless things are going seriously well any management team will get very stale after 6 years. Hopefully more talent will be available in future years (hopefully recent minor success can be built on and the next management team can talk us forward.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1196 - 06/02/2022 20:35:56    2398720

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The substitution of ethan devine and leaving on Shane mcentee who for pretty much the whole game as a centre back struggled to lay a hand on a roscommon player only infuriated me as a meath supporter. Surely our centre back position should be doing more then marking space..I think Andy is a great coach but the situation I have stated above leaves him very much open to been attacked.

CMAN1570 (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 06/02/2022 20:41:13    2398722

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Andy came in at a low ebb and at least moved us to have a basically fit team (which compared to teams in the modern era we were way off before). In truth his time at the helm we have had a serious lack of talent player wise (especially forward wise), best forwards available in Andy's time was Newman/ Reilly but Andy's time never really coincided with their peak years. Now, especially after watching first 2 league matches I have the feeling Andy's management has run its course. This year I think Andy we will probably end up keeping us in div 2 (I think will beat Down and Offaly) but after this year a fresh voice will probably be needed. Usually unless things are going seriously well any management team will get very stale after 6 years. Hopefully more talent will be available in future years (hopefully recent minor success can be built on and the next management team can talk us forward."
That's it in a nutshell.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19184 - 06/02/2022 20:51:47    2398727

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The usual rubbish again, 8/9 points down and the game over before they decide to start kicking a ball. We've played two decent teams back to back and been blown out the gate in both, and there's a considerable gap from Galway and Roscommon to the next set up (Kerry, Dublin etc..). For a team who were in Division 1 and the Super 8s a few years back to now in a relegation scrap, where do you draw the line and say enough is enough?

He's had 6 years to get it right, and Meath are no better now than when he took over. Getting sent off today too just sums his tenure up. He's alienated everyone, won't talk to the media, goalkeeper situation a disaster over the last few years, the U20 Management walked out because of him, always having a go at referee decision, I mean it's just disaster after disaster.

I agree getting rid of a manager at this stage would be a disaster, but what we're seeing out on the pitch is also a disaster. Meath are going to achieve nothing under McEntee and his time is up. Whether that's now or at the end of what looks like will be a short season - that's up for debate. But if they wanted to get rid of him now, I'd support it, no question. But embarrassing for the second week in a row.

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 162 - 06/02/2022 21:10:13    2398739

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Replying To CMAN1570:  "The substitution of ethan devine and leaving on Shane mcentee who for pretty much the whole game as a centre back struggled to lay a hand on a roscommon player only infuriated me as a meath supporter. Surely our centre back position should be doing more then marking space..I think Andy is a great coach but the situation I have stated above leaves him very much open to been attacked."
Devine wasn't doing much either tbh. I think both O'Sullivan and Conlon should have been brought on earlier would be my main problem with subs today.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19184 - 06/02/2022 21:56:26    2398758

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Replying To hyperache:  "The usual rubbish again, 8/9 points down and the game over before they decide to start kicking a ball. We've played two decent teams back to back and been blown out the gate in both, and there's a considerable gap from Galway and Roscommon to the next set up (Kerry, Dublin etc..). For a team who were in Division 1 and the Super 8s a few years back to now in a relegation scrap, where do you draw the line and say enough is enough?

He's had 6 years to get it right, and Meath are no better now than when he took over. Getting sent off today too just sums his tenure up. He's alienated everyone, won't talk to the media, goalkeeper situation a disaster over the last few years, the U20 Management walked out because of him, always having a go at referee decision, I mean it's just disaster after disaster.

I agree getting rid of a manager at this stage would be a disaster, but what we're seeing out on the pitch is also a disaster. Meath are going to achieve nothing under McEntee and his time is up. Whether that's now or at the end of what looks like will be a short season - that's up for debate. But if they wanted to get rid of him now, I'd support it, no question. But embarrassing for the second week in a row."
A few things we no better than when he took over ? Yes we are.
Sent off for what ? Meanwhile the Roscommon player who was punching cillian O'Sullivan in the face and banging his head against a steel barrier got nothing.
I'm all for changing management at END OF YEAR. But at least let's talk some common sense here.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19184 - 07/02/2022 09:49:15    2398797

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Replying To royaldunne:  "A few things we no better than when he took over ? Yes we are.
Sent off for what ? Meanwhile the Roscommon player who was punching cillian O'Sullivan in the face and banging his head against a steel barrier got nothing.
I'm all for changing management at END OF YEAR. But at least let's talk some common sense here."
If you heard what he was shouting and roaring at the ref and Roscommon players he could have been arrested never mind sent off. You just can not shout those things anymore in this day and age. Pavee Point would be sticking their noses in.
I have watched the footage of the row and see no sign of O'Sullivan getting punched of his head hit against steel barrier??? Where about is this alleged to have happened

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1123 - 07/02/2022 10:22:10    2398813

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Replying To royaldunne:  "A few things we no better than when he took over ? Yes we are.
Sent off for what ? Meanwhile the Roscommon player who was punching cillian O'Sullivan in the face and banging his head against a steel barrier got nothing.
I'm all for changing management at END OF YEAR. But at least let's talk some common sense here."
I wasn't at the game so can't comment on the sending off but from listening to the radio James McEntees was a fair call but nobody could see what Andy got his for.
Anyone that tries to argue that we haven't improved since Andy took over is either purely looking for a row or hasn't a breeze about football. I do think he has run his course and has brought the lads as far as he can and at the end of the year can pass the mantle on.
First two performances haven't been near good enough from anyones perspective but removing the manager now is worse than trying to oust him in Nov/Dec. We will finish this year out, finishing 3rd/4th in Div 2, possibly make a Leinster Semi or Final depending on the draw and then we will go again next year.

I do feel a bit for Andy and the team, missing McGill and Menton who have been two mainstays in vital positions for the last 6-7 years was a massive blow, add to that Jones, who despite not being as much of a constant would definitely have benefitted us took us from challenging for promotion in the league to what will end of being just staying there.
Some here will argue that Andy should have replacements but the simple fact is, they aren't there. We haven't had a consistent partner for Menton over the last few years not to mind a replacement for when/if hes injured. And McGill (despite a below par year last year) is by far and away the best full back in the county.

Lets just hope all three are back with a game or two left in the league so that they can hit the ground running for championship and hopefully we can end the year on a high and with a bit of pride restored

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 538 - 07/02/2022 10:43:27    2398827

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Replying To royaldunne:  "A few things we no better than when he took over ? Yes we are.
Sent off for what ? Meanwhile the Roscommon player who was punching cillian O'Sullivan in the face and banging his head against a steel barrier got nothing.
I'm all for changing management at END OF YEAR. But at least let's talk some common sense here."
RD i think even at this stage you have to accept we're almost back where he took over the team. An unfit rabble of players without any direction or identity. As you always say We are Meath, well the product on the pitch is not Meath football of any time i ever remember. I can't ever remember a time where the most basic skills of the game kicking, catching, passing and hand passing were so bad within a Meath team. You loved to beat up on Mick O'Dowd on the state he left Meath football in, and I don't disagree with you on it. But are we honestly any better at this point in time then when Mick departed, because I'd argue the case we're as bad if not worse than that.

Andy McEntee's position is now unsustainable. No Meath manager that I'm aware of has ever been sent off (i am open to correction) and yesterday a referee had the bottle to actually do it. I applaud Jerome Henry for that. For all six years we've seen Andy hand out ear bashings to referee's, officials and having to be physically held back from all out assaulting them buy his own players. Yesterday was not an isolated incident. Robbie Clarke was black carded and rather than ask the linesman what the card was for it was straight in his ear and hair dryer in overdrive. That on it's own was a yellow card incident, James Mcentee was sent off and guess what happened... he went at officials again, not letting rip at his player who was rightly given a straight red card... no no it was turn a blind eye to my players indiscipline and go at officials.. Do you see any top manager a Jim McGuinness, Jim Gavin, Jack O'Connor, Malachy O'Rourke constantly rip on officials or try and work with them and understand what happened

Default from Andy is always to not look at his own players indiscipline it's always to focus on another incident which wasn't picked up on by the referee's by the opposition. Is that honestly all he can think of. Accept and own the actions of your own players first and foremost. It's embarrassing to listen to his interviews and the deflectionism from him. That most certainly has never been the Meath way.

Now I'm not overlooking the two incidents of what happened Shane in the first half or Cillian at the end but Cillian wasn't innocent either, The roscommon player was out of line but he hardly dragged Cillian down the tunnel for the hell of it. Referee's and officials get things wrong and don't see everything. Hopefully we'll see some retrospective action for it based on the video evidence that will be made available.

Unfortunately i think after yesterday, change has to be made right now. The cord needs to be cut and Andy needs to be put out of his misery. The team on the pitch reflects the manager, its out of idea's and doesn't know what to do. The county board if they haven't been doing this since October or November, now needs to action and look towards new management. The current trajectory we're on will see us in the Tailteann cup this summer, and i'd hazard a guest a lot of lads won't hang around for that, and why should they.

If the county board hasn't already gotten on the phone to Robbie Brennan of Kilmacud and sounded him out about if he'd be interested then they're even bigger idiots than we think. Malachy O'Rourke is available and could be sounded out too. They're at a shot to nothing now for 2022 so bring them in if they're interested. Sitting on their hands now will only push us further off track and might see us lose any and all the progress that is being made at underage.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1932 - 07/02/2022 10:58:36    2398836

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Devine wasn't doing much either tbh. I think both O'Sullivan and Conlon should have been brought on earlier would be my main problem with subs today."
In fairness to Ethan Devine he was played out of position leaving him exposed. He is a good lad. Suppose you could also say that about Shane Mc Entee and several others. The come back was impressive . The referee ignored the Roscommon number 8 making a cheap shot on James Conlon minutes before the melee ( James just hopped up) and then effectively left James Mcentee with no option but to knock him off thereby starting the melee. A Card for James Mc Entee and the instigator getting away free. And no cards for the other Roscommon players who kept it going to waste time.
Mc Entees are not responsible for poor officials . Maybe next time let the home support do as the dubs do in croke park and let the officials know our feelings. Time to make Pairc Tailteann a real home ground.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 512 - 07/02/2022 11:07:01    2398837

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Another shambles, Roscommon were there for the taking 2nd half if Meath were any good at all.
Why are the same tried and failed forwards keep getting recycled.

People talk about Meath fitness but to me Roscommon seemed to be the far fitter team and hunted in packs far better than Meath did. Just don't get how with Meath chasing the game and with a good wind behind them, allowed Roscommon several short kickouts.

Why is it too late for change now?. What's the alternative just write off the season?.

Down is a massive game now, loser will be relegated.

AthboyCelt (Meath) - Posts: 147 - 07/02/2022 11:26:58    2398843

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Replying To Ashrules:  "In fairness to Ethan Devine he was played out of position leaving him exposed. He is a good lad. Suppose you could also say that about Shane Mc Entee and several others. The come back was impressive . The referee ignored the Roscommon number 8 making a cheap shot on James Conlon minutes before the melee ( James just hopped up) and then effectively left James Mcentee with no option but to knock him off thereby starting the melee. A Card for James Mc Entee and the instigator getting away free. And no cards for the other Roscommon players who kept it going to waste time.
Mc Entees are not responsible for poor officials . Maybe next time let the home support do as the dubs do in croke park and let the officials know our feelings. Time to make Pairc Tailteann a real home ground."
I see so McEntee had no option but to throw a punch. that is the most ridiculous statement yet. He was fouled and had a free we were totally on top of Roscommon at that point. So because of his lack of self control we were reduced to 14 men and lost the momentum. There's no doubt he's a talented footballer but that edge to his game has to be removed, he has got several red cards for Curraha with the same behavior. It doesn't matter how good you are if your on the bench and the team are a man short. I didn't see what Andy did buy the linesman was pretty adamant about it. The second half display was better that the first but was that because of the wind and Roscommon taking the foot off the pedal I'm not sure. I was happy we have found a good keeper 2 very good frees and not short of confidence. He will only get better and betted as the year progresses.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 511 - 07/02/2022 11:44:41    2398852

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Replying To AthboyCelt:  "Another shambles, Roscommon were there for the taking 2nd half if Meath were any good at all.
Why are the same tried and failed forwards keep getting recycled.

People talk about Meath fitness but to me Roscommon seemed to be the far fitter team and hunted in packs far better than Meath did. Just don't get how with Meath chasing the game and with a good wind behind them, allowed Roscommon several short kickouts.

Why is it too late for change now?. What's the alternative just write off the season?.

Down is a massive game now, loser will be relegated."
The same excuses were used last year, wrong time to replace him, who could replace him, in truth current management have set the bar so low anyone could do a job. Select a panel and pick a team, because evidence suggests nothing happens inbetween. The best defence his supporters can come up with is improved fitness, but we are still a way off required standard.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2090 - 07/02/2022 11:55:14    2398861

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Replying To seadog54:  "The same excuses were used last year, wrong time to replace him, who could replace him, in truth current management have set the bar so low anyone could do a job. Select a panel and pick a team, because evidence suggests nothing happens inbetween. The best defence his supporters can come up with is improved fitness, but we are still a way off required standard."
Well said seadog54, fitness of the team seems to be some magical measuring stick that people want to say makes us better, yet we've been ran off the park in the last two weeks. We were beaten before half time in both games and Galway and Roscommon barely broke sweat in the second half and played so far within themselves it was frightening.

The basics of the games as evidenced yesterday have regressed so far that it's hard to comprehend these are the best players in the county because there basic skills are so bad.

We're on the fast track to being in a far worse position the MOD left us in and some people can't see it, with a wealth of underage talent coming through who could be wasted or turn to other sports as has been seen with several younger players ala Nash, McBride, Corcoran, McCloskey and others.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1932 - 07/02/2022 12:28:07    2398876

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Replying To Ashrules:  "In fairness to Ethan Devine he was played out of position leaving him exposed. He is a good lad. Suppose you could also say that about Shane Mc Entee and several others. The come back was impressive . The referee ignored the Roscommon number 8 making a cheap shot on James Conlon minutes before the melee ( James just hopped up) and then effectively left James Mcentee with no option but to knock him off thereby starting the melee. A Card for James Mc Entee and the instigator getting away free. And no cards for the other Roscommon players who kept it going to waste time.
Mc Entees are not responsible for poor officials . Maybe next time let the home support do as the dubs do in croke park and let the officials know our feelings. Time to make Pairc Tailteann a real home ground."
Oh not having a pop at Devine at all. As you said a lot of the players playing out of positions and it's hampering them without a doubt

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19184 - 07/02/2022 13:40:51    2398911

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McEntee was an embarrassment against Tyrone a few years ago and he was an embarrassment yesterday.

Running around acting the hard lad...."hold me back, hold me back." Absolutely embarrassing. You wouldn't see it outside a teenage disco in Navan.

The sooner B.Flynn and his management team come in the better for Meath.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2077 - 07/02/2022 13:42:06    2398914

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