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Replying To LoyalRoyal66: "When was the last time we had a big target man in full-forward? I remember it being Joe in 2010. How did we do that year? Leinster champs. Its the one method of football that always makes defences panic. If we lump balls in on top of the Dubs this year I'm telling you we could cause them trouble. Everyman needs to believe they can beat the Dubs. Win your individual battles. Go back to the traditions of meath football. No handpassing. Launch it in, test out that full back line" Launch the ball into a big full forward. That's a good tactic.
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Replying To Young_gael: "Gavin leaving this late in the year seems an unorthodox move to me, but I factor part of his success in the sense that he and his set-up don't follow trends, and its likely not a big deal. Is it a good thing for Meath? Perhaps. Its the end of an era; though not much necessarily may change. I think we all know that on some level. People saying the Leinster championship may be more competitive this upcoming season as a result are getting way ahead of themselves. It remains to be seen if Meath can consolidate their progress, and Kildare could be boom/bust any given year. Even saying that, Dublin have such incredible dominance over the province that its almost an afterthought. I admit that one has to imagine in all-Ireland Semi and All-Ireland final level, Dublin may be a few percentage points more vulnerable as a result of Gavin's departure, i.e: good thing for Kerry. The Meath poster talking about putting big lads on the edge of the square and hoofing in long ball, and the guys on another thread talking about bringing untested 30 year olds into the set-up out of the blue is a factor why Meath were in steep decline for so long. These same types are the loudest on the barstools, and the loudest at the sides of the pitch, and the first to jump down the current Meath team's throats after a bad performance, calling for McEntee's head and proclaiming gleefully their disappointment that Meath doesn't have real men anymore, and how they witnessed such and such a game 30 years ago... we are paralysed as a county by this incredible sense of simplicity and adulation, and that things are, sooner or later, going to revert magically to the Boylan era and it will be all wonderful again. Sadly I feel this is to our detriment. It will have to die out ultimately. I really believe that this psychology coming out of sections of supporters rubs off on players as kids, and has done for years and will continue to do so. Contemporary Meath psychology in the 00s and 10s was a massive weakness, and although McEntee has reversed parts of the rot,I believe Meath at the moment to be only ever one or two bad losses away from square one. In that sense I believe Meath footballers deserve enormous credit for playing for this county and (a lot) of the people in it. The pressure, the failure, the inadequacy, the spoofers... its a lot to take on." Yes it was the contemporary Meath psychology. That's what it was
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Im detecting sarcasm. It isn't necessary. And I think Ive described my opinions in my last post so no point engaging you with them again, if even possible. You know, If by some miracle Meath adopted your nostalgic vision and put king kong at the edge of the square; lampooned him with high ball as it is "the Meath way", and we won an All-Ireland or even just become a competitive side year in, year out, which is arguably more important, id say well done, good thinking, forward thinking. Id entertain your point of view. But it isn't forward thinking. Its caveman football. It doesn't sell anymore and hasn't sold in 20/25 years, and if I'm honest, I think you're too intelligent of a fellow to pretend to be that shallow in your thought process. It represented our most glorious era and there was a simple, robust beauty to it in 1988. However its soon to be 2020.
Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 589 - 01/12/2019 21:59:58
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oh would i be right in thinking that the attacking Mark got a pass for the 2020 rules ?
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P.S the attacking Mark caused Dublin trouble in the league this year...........................................................so it did :)
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 02/12/2019 01:38:40
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Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "oh would i be right in thinking that the attacking Mark got a pass for the 2020 rules ? linkI am not a intelligent person l ike everyone on here ....but but but sure but sure butcher would a big lad in the full forward not be ideal for the attacking Mark ? like what Tyrone did in the league with Mcshane this year when the attacking Mark was being experimented or is the word pepperminted ? P.S the attacking Mark caused Dublin trouble in the league this year...........................................................so it did :)"
Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 589 - 02/12/2019 11:45:57
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Replying To LoyalRoyal66: "When was the last time we had a big target man in full-forward? I remember it being Joe in 2010. How did we do that year? Leinster champs. Its the one method of football that always makes defences panic. If we lump balls in on top of the Dubs this year I'm telling you we could cause them trouble. Everyman needs to believe they can beat the Dubs. Win your individual battles. Go back to the traditions of meath football. No handpassing. Launch it in, test out that full back line" Shane Orourke played full forward that year ! Joe was On the forty
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 02/12/2019 12:25:34
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Replying To Young_gael: " Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "oh would i be right in thinking that the attacking Mark got a pass for the 2020 rules ? linkI am not a intelligent person l ike everyone on here ....but but but sure but sure butcher would a big lad in the full forward not be ideal for the attacking Mark ? like what Tyrone did in the league with Mcshane this year when the attacking Mark was being experimented or is the word pepperminted ? P.S the attacking Mark caused Dublin trouble in the league this year...........................................................so it did :)" Ive a very rote way of writing, I don't mean it to come off in any sort of belittling way and apologise if you felt it did. It does often seem very complicated, what I try to say, but its just the way I write. I agree, big full forwards (who are also talented) are a longstanding tactic. Case in point McShane. They are an option. My point is more so that people want to throw all the eggs into that one basket, which is very outdated. If we had a viable option for the role then fair enough. The forward mark does make the target man trope more favourable."
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 02/12/2019 13:34:15
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Reading articles on Jim Gavin style of football would be the way I'd like Meath teams to adopt their approach. Work hard, tackle hard, let the ball in fast. Direct attacking football. Launch it in. Test out that full back line
LoyalRoyal66 (Meath) - Posts: 82 - 03/12/2019 13:00:19
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Ah Lads, Play Joe Sheridan on Paddy O' Rourke's shoulders inside on the square be the right plan. would always be fouled and would never be out caught.
Its unfortunate we dont have an option in the county for a McShane roll inside (we might i just cant think atm)
Looking forward to next year, with the new old style jerseys coming back. We all have to believe that McEntee is the right man for the job
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Replying To LoyalRoyal66: "Reading articles on Jim Gavin style of football would be the way I'd like Meath teams to adopt their approach. Work hard, tackle hard, let the ball in fast. Direct attacking football. Launch it in. Test out that full back line" Launching it in is a master tactic. It's a wonder no manager has thought of it. You're onto something LoyalRoyal66
Jackpot (Meath) - Posts: 199 - 03/12/2019 16:51:24
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My team I though of today
1. An Other
2.Lavin
3.McGIll
4.Gallagher
5.Keoghan
6.Harnan
7.J McEntee
8.Kennelly
9.Menton
10.E Wallace
11.McMahon
12.O'Sullivan
13.Walsh
14.Newman
15.Lenihan
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Devine & Harnan out for the league apparently. Harnans loss is a hammer blow for division 1 football
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Replying To grahamc9897: "My team I though of today
1. An Other
2.Lavin
3.McGIll
4.Gallagher
5.Keoghan
6.Harnan
7.J McEntee
8.Kennelly
9.Menton
10.E Wallace
11.McMahon
12.O'Sullivan
13.Walsh
14.Newman
15.Lenihan" P Harnan will miss the first few months of next year. He has an operation this week. He wouldnt be a back for a few months. Also it looks theres a chance that Joey Wallace wouldnt be part of the panel , rumour is he is travelling for the year. A terrible pity if true, he was the form inside forward in the county club senior championship this year. But his brother Eamon who is still only 25 and he had a great championship, has returned to the panel.
There is strong rumours a Cavan player has joined the Meath panel. I dont know the name , but there is a strong rumour that some Cavan footballer has joined Meath seniors.
Interesting McEntee has brought allot of new forwards to the panel. Some or ex panelist like E Wallace and D Lenihan. And young talent like Jordan Morris and the brillant Matthew Costello who was voted Meath young Footballer of year in the last few days. And an ex galway footballer has joined also. Oisin O ' Brien playing for O Mahoneys, a corner forward who played for Galway in FBD last year.
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Replying To grahamc9897: "My team I though of today
1. An Other
2.Lavin
3.McGIll
4.Gallagher
5.Keoghan
6.Harnan
7.J McEntee
8.Kennelly
9.Menton
10.E Wallace
11.McMahon
12.O'Sullivan
13.Walsh
14.Newman
15.Lenihan" I haven't seen much of Kennelly - so not sure on that! As for the forwards - There has to be a place for Joey Wallace in the full forward line - I think he would bring more balance to the full forward line than the combination you have mentioned.
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Replying To grahamc9897: "My team I though of today
1. An Other
2.Lavin
3.McGIll
4.Gallagher
5.Keoghan
6.Harnan
7.J McEntee
8.Kennelly
9.Menton
10.E Wallace
11.McMahon
12.O'Sullivan
13.Walsh
14.Newman
15.Lenihan" Some full forward line on its day!
Id go for that full forward line and id go for Keoghan and Menton at midfield. That would give us a Div 1 full forward line and a Div 1 midfield anyway. I'd put O Caoilean then in at 5. I'd put Campion at 11 then and McMahon instead of Wallace.
1. Yorke
2. Lavin
3. McGill
4. Gallagher
5. O Caoilean
6. Harnan
7. McEntee
8 Menton (Devine first sub midfielder)
9 Keoghan
10 McMahon (E Wallace first sub half forward)
11 Campion
12 O Sullivan
13 Walsh
14 Newman (only if fully fit)
Really hoping we find 3/4 more very high players to compete for places during the league. I know that we are starting to have some very good forwards come in. Still a real shame we don't have McBride to come in at midfield now. If we had an 8/10 all rounder at midfield we'd be laughing. Lot to be positive about though. We are really going in right direction as a whole.
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Replying To Anmhi364: "Devine & Harnan out for the league apparently. Harnans loss is a hammer blow for division 1 football" Didn't know Harnan was out the whole league. Lavin will miss the first few games as well
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Replying To Furlong1949: "P Harnan will miss the first few months of next year. He has an operation this week. He wouldnt be a back for a few months. Also it looks theres a chance that Joey Wallace wouldnt be part of the panel , rumour is he is travelling for the year. A terrible pity if true, he was the form inside forward in the county club senior championship this year. But his brother Eamon who is still only 25 and he had a great championship, has returned to the panel.
There is strong rumours a Cavan player has joined the Meath panel. I dont know the name , but there is a strong rumour that some Cavan footballer has joined Meath seniors.
Interesting McEntee has brought allot of new forwards to the panel. Some or ex panelist like E Wallace and D Lenihan. And young talent like Jordan Morris and the brillant Matthew Costello who was voted Meath young Footballer of year in the last few days. And an ex galway footballer has joined also. Oisin O ' Brien playing for O Mahoneys, a corner forward who played for Galway in FBD last year." That's good news. Glad Mcentee is thinking outside the box. I wonder if theres any players who cant make the Dublin team with Meath parents?
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Replying To Crinigan: "Some full forward line on its day!
Id go for that full forward line and id go for Keoghan and Menton at midfield. That would give us a Div 1 full forward line and a Div 1 midfield anyway. I'd put O Caoilean then in at 5. I'd put Campion at 11 then and McMahon instead of Wallace.
1. Yorke
2. Lavin
3. McGill
4. Gallagher
5. O Caoilean
6. Harnan
7. McEntee
8 Menton (Devine first sub midfielder)
9 Keoghan
10 McMahon (E Wallace first sub half forward)
11 Campion
12 O Sullivan
13 Walsh
14 Newman (only if fully fit)
Really hoping we find 3/4 more very high players to compete for places during the league. I know that we are starting to have some very good forwards come in. Still a real shame we don't have McBride to come in at midfield now. If we had an 8/10 all rounder at midfield we'd be laughing. Lot to be positive about though. We are really going in right direction as a whole.
15 J Wallace (Lenihan first sub)" Ó Coileáin has opted not to rejoin the panel.
Joey Wallace is going travelling.
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Joey Wallace is going travelling." Real pity. J Wallace and O Coilean, would be real options on the inside forward line. Injuries are mounting up. We had very few injuries last year other then a few like Niall kane missed whole championship and nearly most of the league. So if the rumours are right we could be down Lavin , Harnan, S McEntee and Devine for Tyrone game. Harnan gone for a few months , might be back end of league , so should lavin. Dont know regards S McEntee. They are all first team starters. The first 3 games , 2 at home could decide our league campaign. Ronan Ryan sud replace lavin and kane would be best option in my view to replace Harnan. But still lavin and Harnan are quality defenders. We will.miss Devine height and atleticism on 40. I hope this isnt a sign of things to come , a year of injuries. But those 3 first games especially v Donegal and Mayo are massive, could make or break our league campaign.
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