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Replying To winatallcost:  "Gary Rogers a Meath man who incidentally was part of the coaching staff playing excellent stuff in the Champions League for Dundalk. If only he were available even though he is getting on. Brendan Murphy was outstanding and handed over to POR whi did well initially partically with those launchers to Big Joe but his form and concentration tailored off badly. At the moment a solid keeper with a good kicking technique would surely be a significant improvement on what we have. Concentrate on goalkeeper, a midfielder and a couple of forwards and we are not too far away."
Agree, need a few midfielders..if anything happens mento we're done for...same with keeper. Need competition for no. 1

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1642 - 21/07/2019 22:19:43    2214363

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Replying To ClonardGael:  "Would you agree that the short kick out is just another facet of the modern game Meath were slow to adopt. Right now we are in limbo re kick out strategy. Do we risk going long, rely on Menton alone to win primary possession or do we wait, hearts in mouths for It to go short with a 75 % chance of us conceding anyway?"
Oh definitely, but it's not been done at club level either so very hard to get it into county team. That been said I think the addition of a new keeper will help us going forward.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16754 - 21/07/2019 22:22:52    2214370

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Hopefully he will sign up for another 3 years.
We cannot start chopping and changing again. Consistentcy is what's needed going forward. Andy must be left to finish the job he started. Also keep colm nally, whatever Andy requires for next year should be given to him."
Agree, hope he stays. I assume players would want him to see it through

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1642 - 21/07/2019 22:23:02    2214371

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Replying To thebigjoeshow:  "I did not agree with paddy o Rourke statements in the past but I do think Andy will have to swallow his pride and ask either him robbie burlingham or Jack hannigan back in to asses the goalkeeper situation as I for one believe either of the above would have kept us closer in both games. Colgan has tried his best and fair play to him but under high ball he has been found out a couple of times ie donegal during the league and Clare during the championship.
On the other positions that need improvement midfield has to be fixed Menton has been very good this year at midfield but help is needed for him to operate better. Ronan Jones is probably the best bet here as Rooney has not been particularly good at club level this year another option here which should be even tried for the Kerry game would be to play Harnan or tobin there.
Forwards to be asked into the panel
Alan forde
Lenihan
Wallace
Paraic mc keever.
Our free taking and 45 and 50s have to be seriously looked at also I lost count this year on how many dropped short. When you look at dublin donegal kerry etc this is something that very rarely happens and can be worth 5 to 6 points in games, thought shane Walsh did very well today I know he had one bad one but he is only 19.
I think in terms of team development this has been a great year with all 3 goals achieved but in terms of division one next year and further progression I think Andy will have to bury the hatchet with lads that left the panel previously and blood a couple of the u20s from this year as there is a lot of talent coming through. I am still looking forward to the kerry game as with newman more than likely out and lavin some changes will be made and hopefully the likes of kane walsh mc govern campion tobin can get good game time to reward them for their commitment through the year."
Am sure forde will be back, would also like to see brian conlon back as an option for midfield

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1642 - 21/07/2019 22:26:38    2214374

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Looking to the future, if we want to stay at this level and progress further we need a goalkeeper with pinpoint accuracy. Nothing less than that will be good enough. Defensively we are solid but probably need more depth in terms of subs. Midfield needs work along with a kick out strategy. Menton needs a solid partner who can field it. There's talk of Ronan Jones or Harry Rooney coming back to the squad next year. They showed glimpses of potential before they went traveling. Maybe they can return. Could we convince Paddy O'Rourke to come back as a midfielder? Not sure he wants to play county badly enough anymore.

Half forwards, Devine, McMahon and O'Sullivan seem to be solid enough choices going forward though Cillian seems to miss potential passes when he's at full tilt. Needs to work on that. Again we need options here off the bench. Is Graham Reilly going to commit to another season? Surprised by his absence today.

Full Forwards: Newman is a nailed on starter. Shane Walsh is showing great potential. He looks comfortable on the ball and dependable enough on the frees to split them with Newman. Conlon has struggled against top opposition. He's got potential but needs a bit of coaching and hard work to make it at this level. He's young and very light so he needs to find a balance between gaining strength and size but not sacrificing his movement. Needs to calm his shots down a bit. Probably could be on the bench against Kerry. Campion looks promising too but needs to work on his game like Conlon. Hard to judge McGovern or O'Reilly on what I've seen of them but they don't make an impact. Sean Tobin looks solid as a sub but doesn't strike me as Super8 quality. Likewise I don't think Dardis is up to it. Solid enough but he's not been as effective as he was in the Division 2 games. Ben Brennan looks more of a strong option off the bench and would be good to have around next year.

Jason Scully, Kevin Ross, Ruari Ó Coilleann off the Junior panel were talked off as potential senior panelists next year. Donal Lenihan might also return. I'm not sure who might make the step up from u-20 next year but there are some good lads coming through.

However, having said all that, fitness levels seem to be behind the top teams but a good 15%. Whoever does come into the squad is going to have to work very hard to get up to the level as do every other team member.

LoyalRoyal (None) - Posts: 414 - 21/07/2019 22:30:26    2214379

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Replying To noluso:  "Totally agree ! POR has no interest in playing for meath now or in the future . Called it right when he said we had little or no chance of featuring in the business end of the championship for the next few years. Although he should not have expressed in publicly . He was an erratic keeper and coughed up a heap of scores . Colgan is only a number of guys who are below par ...at least 5 of our 6 forwards in this boat.,but I suppose it's easier to
blame the keeper ."
I think the keeper is the obvious one as he's errors directly led to goals and key scores. Goalkeeper is one of the most important positions on the field in modern game like it or not. Andy didn't improve over the course of the year and we can't keep coughing up scores when teams squeeze. Even having a proper ball winner at midfield doesn't mean you'll win the 50/50.

Forwards were below par the last three days and are another major reason we cane away with nothing. Poor composure when it matters and some poor shot selection. I think our some of our forwards have the potential to develop into intercounter level forwards which is the difference for me. I don't see the potential in colgan he is what he is however the likes of conlan, walsh, Devine will improve and we do have hopefully lenihan to come back.

I don't think we have little to no chance of competing. The current panel and their level of play and fitness are way ahead of anything POR played with and something to build on.

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 459 - 21/07/2019 22:43:06    2214386

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Replying To LoyalRoyal:  "Looking to the future, if we want to stay at this level and progress further we need a goalkeeper with pinpoint accuracy. Nothing less than that will be good enough. Defensively we are solid but probably need more depth in terms of subs. Midfield needs work along with a kick out strategy. Menton needs a solid partner who can field it. There's talk of Ronan Jones or Harry Rooney coming back to the squad next year. They showed glimpses of potential before they went traveling. Maybe they can return. Could we convince Paddy O'Rourke to come back as a midfielder? Not sure he wants to play county badly enough anymore.

Half forwards, Devine, McMahon and O'Sullivan seem to be solid enough choices going forward though Cillian seems to miss potential passes when he's at full tilt. Needs to work on that. Again we need options here off the bench. Is Graham Reilly going to commit to another season? Surprised by his absence today.

Full Forwards: Newman is a nailed on starter. Shane Walsh is showing great potential. He looks comfortable on the ball and dependable enough on the frees to split them with Newman. Conlon has struggled against top opposition. He's got potential but needs a bit of coaching and hard work to make it at this level. He's young and very light so he needs to find a balance between gaining strength and size but not sacrificing his movement. Needs to calm his shots down a bit. Probably could be on the bench against Kerry. Campion looks promising too but needs to work on his game like Conlon. Hard to judge McGovern or O'Reilly on what I've seen of them but they don't make an impact. Sean Tobin looks solid as a sub but doesn't strike me as Super8 quality. Likewise I don't think Dardis is up to it. Solid enough but he's not been as effective as he was in the Division 2 games. Ben Brennan looks more of a strong option off the bench and would be good to have around next year.

Jason Scully, Kevin Ross, Ruari Ó Coilleann off the Junior panel were talked off as potential senior panelists next year. Donal Lenihan might also return. I'm not sure who might make the step up from u-20 next year but there are some good lads coming through.

However, having said all that, fitness levels seem to be behind the top teams but a good 15%. Whoever does come into the squad is going to have to work very hard to get up to the level as do every other team member."
Brin Conlon was probably our best player v Donegal in Navan 2 years ago but really don't understand why has not kicked on. He certainly should be on panel. Ruari O'Caolain has the quality to be a starter on this team as has Forde with fitness and consistency. Rooney a good fielder but not too mobile. Skully and Sean Reilly need opportunities in the league too as have done well with Juniors and are young. Maybe Cian McBride can push on too.Hoping Walsh, Devine and Conlon improve from experience. Have to find a keeper first. Its the starting point!

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 203 - 21/07/2019 22:52:59    2214391

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Replying To LoyalRoyal:  "Looking to the future, if we want to stay at this level and progress further we need a goalkeeper with pinpoint accuracy. Nothing less than that will be good enough. Defensively we are solid but probably need more depth in terms of subs. Midfield needs work along with a kick out strategy. Menton needs a solid partner who can field it. There's talk of Ronan Jones or Harry Rooney coming back to the squad next year. They showed glimpses of potential before they went traveling. Maybe they can return. Could we convince Paddy O'Rourke to come back as a midfielder? Not sure he wants to play county badly enough anymore.

Half forwards, Devine, McMahon and O'Sullivan seem to be solid enough choices going forward though Cillian seems to miss potential passes when he's at full tilt. Needs to work on that. Again we need options here off the bench. Is Graham Reilly going to commit to another season? Surprised by his absence today.

Full Forwards: Newman is a nailed on starter. Shane Walsh is showing great potential. He looks comfortable on the ball and dependable enough on the frees to split them with Newman. Conlon has struggled against top opposition. He's got potential but needs a bit of coaching and hard work to make it at this level. He's young and very light so he needs to find a balance between gaining strength and size but not sacrificing his movement. Needs to calm his shots down a bit. Probably could be on the bench against Kerry. Campion looks promising too but needs to work on his game like Conlon. Hard to judge McGovern or O'Reilly on what I've seen of them but they don't make an impact. Sean Tobin looks solid as a sub but doesn't strike me as Super8 quality. Likewise I don't think Dardis is up to it. Solid enough but he's not been as effective as he was in the Division 2 games. Ben Brennan looks more of a strong option off the bench and would be good to have around next year.

Jason Scully, Kevin Ross, Ruari Ó Coilleann off the Junior panel were talked off as potential senior panelists next year. Donal Lenihan might also return. I'm not sure who might make the step up from u-20 next year but there are some good lads coming through.

However, having said all that, fitness levels seem to be behind the top teams but a good 15%. Whoever does come into the squad is going to have to work very hard to get up to the level as do every other team member."
Going to be honest but I don't think we will see Graham Reilly in a Meath jersey next year, in his role as a sub he hadn't had the impact I would have thought coming in and his starting berth in the Leinster Final did not work, nothing but admiration and praise for the man but he just looks like his race is run at inter county level similar to how Joe Sheridan looked in 2013, maybe I'm wrong but I can't see him togging out next year

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3584 - 21/07/2019 22:53:37    2214392

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So frustrated reading a lot of these messages, so many experts out there it's a wonder we're not knocking it out of the park at club level everywhere.

Lads this is the first year that our management team have had a squad to develop and a team that have committed everything to the cause.

If it were that easy we would have f***ing done it already.

This manager and team will inspire others to commit or go again and we will continue to improve. We are soooooo close and we need supporters behind the team and those that are there now!!

Andy has done a fantastic job and we are starting to get the country to stand up and take notice. We are only getting started.

RoyalSteel (Meath) - Posts: 13 - 21/07/2019 23:37:57    2214421

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Well I see once again a moral victory of sorts being claimed by many on here. I am sick to death of theses. Another 9 point hammering whatever way you look at it. No good looking saying we were in the game until the last 15. Sure on that logic we were drawing at the start. Utterly irrelevant.

Some great performances let down by a couple of baffling decisions on the line. But most damning was the influx of substitutes that totally disjointed any kind of cohesion Meath had built up. No one seemed to know who they were marking or what position they were to be. Summed up perfectly for Mayos goal when you see Toibin in the full back line. Management lost that game today.

So desperately disappointing coming out of Croke Park. These performances just suck the life out of me. No appetite after for a snack box or anything. Hard to know what way we'll be next year as we seem to be carrying alot of deadwood on the bench that arent trusted to deliver when its needed. Hopefully if more lads are available a clear out can be made on Andy's terms and not the usual vice versa.
We badly need some proven forwards. The constant short passing turning back on their marker into trouble.. players not helping each other out, not looking for the ball and most damning afraid to shoot at times. Its shocking.

Evernal (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 21/07/2019 23:42:03    2214424

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It's about the panel nowadays, so we need 2 goalkeepers, 1 midfielder to start and 1 to bring on, ideally we need a new set of forwards to form an attacking force to go with a few only of today's. Backs are generally fine but to boost the panel two or more strong backs are needed. Are they there? Some are but not all, so it is past time that we got some of the lads that walked out back, mend the fences, get mediators if necessary and search the highways and byways for a few more players who may have slipped through the net and are late developers. Also the local championship scene needs reforming badly.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 696 - 22/07/2019 00:03:32    2214430

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Replying To Young_gael:  "I don't have all the answers, and ill not pretend to be an expert; I don't attend as many club games as many others mostly due to work, and I wont name names because its none of my business, but Id have to think that in a county with dozens of clubs urban and rural alike, that there are men with the varied individual attributes required to bring the team on another step. What is on show at the moment, with the utmost of respect is of an upper mediocre standard. Ive made many posts where I was very complimentary of this team and I remain fond of them, pure work-rate has them where they are and this has been a red letter season. I believe this team's achievement will be appreciated in time. Im proud to have followed them this season and will continue to follow them in the future. However I also believe that in order to consolidate the position we find ourselves in for 2020, we will need a new goalkeeper, one (maybe 2) midfielders, and two or three new forwards. Just my own opinion. The lads who are there cant be faulted for work, and passion, and effort, and they all deserve our respect, but they're peaking at this level."
I'd agree that we are getting the most out of what we have. What I take issue with is the McEntee swallowing his pride comment. He asked Rooney to play and he said no. Lenihan will return next year, Andy wanted him this year but he went away for the year. O'Coilean is back on the panel having said no earlier in the year. It's not like Andy was telling these lads to get lost. Andy wanted them and they wouldn't play. It's up to the lads to come back and join a Division 1 Super 8 team for next year

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 807 - 22/07/2019 01:06:17    2214438

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Absolutely. And young beakley is our future keeper so let's get him in next year."
I would be very very worried if Beakey was our keeper next year. He was poor with our 20's and that was with Daithi McGowan, Cian McBride and Liam Byrne to hit (at 20's level 3 massive high fielders). He floats kickouts way too high and they hang too long. Adam McDermott and Sean Brennan both better keepers and of similar age

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 807 - 22/07/2019 01:24:19    2214443

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Replying To redser123:  "I cant imagine how frustrating it must be for our backs to see our forwards hit so many wides and drop so many balls short, fair play to seamus lavin he was so sick of it he stormed up and hit 2 great scores, keoghan and mcgill would make any team in the country, lavin, harnan and gallagher are all excellent too, but this is as poor a bunch of forwards that meath have had in a long long time, goalkeeper and midfield is an issue too but lets not kid ourselves it's the forwards that are killing our chances of beating any of the top teams"
That back 6 we have are top class. Lavin had some game today. What age is he?

We need a new keeper, midfield partner for Manton and a heap of forwards. The forwards as a unit is a disaster and I only hope we can improve. As someone else said it must be so frustrating on our 6 excellent backs watching the forwards kick away the game and behind them a keeper who does the same.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 22/07/2019 01:26:29    2214445

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I find Colgan to be in the same category as Paddy O'Rourke actually. POR shipped goals galore and kicked away daft possessions at an alarming rate until the public lost faith in him. IIRC he gave away a peno and got sent off in his last championship match in croke park?
I have no doubt the next keeper will be chosen based on his short kick out ability as it's the way the game is going. I won't pretend to be familiar enough with what else is available in the county at present to replace Colgan but he needs to be coached heavily or dropped.
We need strengthening in all areas of the squad. Hopefully the club championship will inspire guys to perform knowing that a call up could have them playing div1 league against the big counties.
I fear there isn't enough time between now and the league to get what is needed to stay in div1 though. We will be favourites for the drop.

shaneoneill77 (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 22/07/2019 09:18:35    2214482

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A few thoughts.

Overall a very positive season. This team are honest, hardworking and talented. There's a lot to get behind with this team and they look like they've gelled as a unit throughout the year.

The Dublin game and the super 8's have given us a great lesson on where we are, compared to what is the top level. We are in a position to complete to a certain extent but have fallen short when push came to shove.
Not to get personal on individuals I think we have maybe 3 or 4 guys who are at div 1 standard, we have another 3 or 4 with the potential to achieve that standard so long as they want it and put in the savage work that's required. We probably have 10 guys who wont make it at that top level for one reason or another. They will be needed in the short term until they are replaced hopefully by div 1 grade players.

Yesterday was very disappointing, Mayo were there for the taking but between bad misses, terrible turnovers and incorrect decisions we gave them the chances they needed. To repeat the same mistakes 2 weeks in a row is not great. It's just a lack of experience and conditioning I think. These days will stand to them in the long term.

GoalsWinGames (Meath) - Posts: 299 - 22/07/2019 09:26:20    2214488

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Most match reports I have read to date use the words that we were " out muscled " ... We are too small and light to be competitive at the higher level .... It's ok against a dream run of teams like Carlow ,Offaly,Clare. Etc ...but when the big guns show up ,we are ran out of it ......

noluso (Meath) - Posts: 151 - 22/07/2019 09:52:06    2214506

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Replying To LoyalRoyal:  "Looking to the future, if we want to stay at this level and progress further we need a goalkeeper with pinpoint accuracy. Nothing less than that will be good enough. Defensively we are solid but probably need more depth in terms of subs. Midfield needs work along with a kick out strategy. Menton needs a solid partner who can field it. There's talk of Ronan Jones or Harry Rooney coming back to the squad next year. They showed glimpses of potential before they went traveling. Maybe they can return. Could we convince Paddy O'Rourke to come back as a midfielder? Not sure he wants to play county badly enough anymore.

Half forwards, Devine, McMahon and O'Sullivan seem to be solid enough choices going forward though Cillian seems to miss potential passes when he's at full tilt. Needs to work on that. Again we need options here off the bench. Is Graham Reilly going to commit to another season? Surprised by his absence today.

Full Forwards: Newman is a nailed on starter. Shane Walsh is showing great potential. He looks comfortable on the ball and dependable enough on the frees to split them with Newman. Conlon has struggled against top opposition. He's got potential but needs a bit of coaching and hard work to make it at this level. He's young and very light so he needs to find a balance between gaining strength and size but not sacrificing his movement. Needs to calm his shots down a bit. Probably could be on the bench against Kerry. Campion looks promising too but needs to work on his game like Conlon. Hard to judge McGovern or O'Reilly on what I've seen of them but they don't make an impact. Sean Tobin looks solid as a sub but doesn't strike me as Super8 quality. Likewise I don't think Dardis is up to it. Solid enough but he's not been as effective as he was in the Division 2 games. Ben Brennan looks more of a strong option off the bench and would be good to have around next year.

Jason Scully, Kevin Ross, Ruari Ó Coilleann off the Junior panel were talked off as potential senior panelists next year. Donal Lenihan might also return. I'm not sure who might make the step up from u-20 next year but there are some good lads coming through.

However, having said all that, fitness levels seem to be behind the top teams but a good 15%. Whoever does come into the squad is going to have to work very hard to get up to the level as do every other team member."
Looking at yesterdays game. The Goalkeeper certainly one of the most important positions on the field along with the free taker . Over the next few months a huge emphasis has to be made on finding the right one or 2 keepers who have potential and grow into these positions . On the club scene we have to try to make it more attractive for young lads and girls to want to play in that position instead of just being put there . A lot of games are won and lost from goalkeeper kick outs and is unfair on them if they are not properly trained.

I certainly think we have a found a forward In Shane Walsh who has the ability to compete both physically and mentally in this arena . Also a very good free taker and will learn a lot from yesterday . For next year Harry Rooney has to be included for Midfield area as is the best I have seen to fetch a ball in Meath . He would give our goalkeeper an outlet when he comes under pressure .

As for defence ( one of the best in the country as a unit ) and all have had a great year. In forwards Donal Lenihan has a lot to offer along with McKeever . I also think Frayne from summerhlll has huge potential .

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 322 - 22/07/2019 09:54:18    2214508

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I think what we're seeing right now is that the training this year was designed to have the team ready for a tilt at league promotion. As much as getting to S8's was a goal, I'd be very surprised if they were aiming to hit a peak in July/August hence why we are tailing off after the 55/60 minute mark. Careful planning will be needed in the off season to ensure we can be as competitive as possible in Div 1 but also fresh enough for another crack at S8's. I know we are all talking about bringing 4/5 new faces in to the starting 15 for next year but i think it's unrealistic to make that many changes and expect the team to hit the ground running in the league. I'd say we might see a couple of changes e.g. new keeper plus Donal Lenihan, maybe a new midfielder. The off season will be really different for us this year - out of the championship much later and straight into a high profile match at the end of January. It doesn't leave much time for tinkering.

gwanyagudthing (Meath) - Posts: 88 - 22/07/2019 09:58:36    2214511

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "I'd agree that we are getting the most out of what we have. What I take issue with is the McEntee swallowing his pride comment. He asked Rooney to play and he said no. Lenihan will return next year, Andy wanted him this year but he went away for the year. O'Coilean is back on the panel having said no earlier in the year. It's not like Andy was telling these lads to get lost. Andy wanted them and they wouldn't play. It's up to the lads to come back and join a Division 1 Super 8 team for next year"
Yeah the swallowing his pride comment is complete nonsense. What can he do if someone (rooney) says no? Or is someone (lenihan) goes travelling for a year. And all the talk about Paddy O Rourke coming back in is baffling. Paddy O Rourke has made his feelings extremely clear when it comes to committing to inter county football. Besides when he was our starting goalkeeper he wasn't exactly the safe as houses cool head goalkeeper we're looking for. I can remember him being equally as ropey as Colgan.

Aloblack (Meath) - Posts: 265 - 22/07/2019 10:17:08    2214526

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