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Replying To GlasagusOr: "More positives than negatives for me today.
Meath had 15 behind the ball first half and no forwards/players inside for most of the half (OK, they conceded a bad goal before half-time) but they stayed in touch. Longford kept one or two players upfield so were good on the counter attack and found it that bit easier than Meath to get their few scores, with a swirling breeze slightly in their favour.
Meath's second half performance was much better with quite a few changes. Adam Flanagan was very good throughout, Menton eventually got into the game. Sean Tobin got some big scores when it mattered, COS and Joey brought more energy to our game.
McMahon and McEntee missed two great goal scoring chances and COS point that wasn't meant all of us that were there today witnessed a historic shootout and a dramatic finale.
Meath are still vulnerable from a defensive point of view, but given all the experimentation they have done well enough so far, results wise at least (without having their strongest possible 15 on the field at any one time). The squad has a fresh look about it. Lets hope Andy & Co know their best team by the time we all head to Roscommon. And sort out our neighbours in the meantime." Adam Flanagan was good today...hopefully he will keep getting better and put in the performance and stay injury free.
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 14/01/2018 21:05:39
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First off, I really enjoyed that, the whole lot even the free takings.
Graham hadn't a great game, but he made runs and his defensive work was top notch.
Ben was taken out of it early on and I was disappointed that only his club mate (graham) was only one to get stuck in, this is something Andy should have instilled in them. One in all in. So that's a negative for Andy imo.
Lavin was solely at fault for goal, but had a good game otherwise so wouldn't be too hard on him. The first half was actually a plan, and everyone could see it's still a work in progress, we are trying to play a defensive system and brake at pace , it wasn't pretty but with that wind I think it was right thing to do, this is the competition to try things out, and management will have learned plenty from it, a pretty decent performance from Longford (how many of them was on the 21 team who beat the dubs dream team ) ??
Anyway Tobin and wallace did well when they came on actually most of the subs worked out well. Not convinced at all by FB , still learning. Going forward, we got another game, and the first chance of meeting the weaties since our darkest day.
Knowing where I live I'm sure you will excuse me if I say I don't care how we do it, we HAVE TO WIN.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/01/2018 21:38:04
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Think McKeever might be available next week. Personally would rest a lot of players that Andy might use for the Rossies and play players on the fringes or in need of games.
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 14/01/2018 21:55:27
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GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 14/01/2018 21:57:20
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Replying To royaldunne: "First off, I really enjoyed that, the whole lot even the free takings.
Graham hadn't a great game, but he made runs and his defensive work was top notch.
Ben was taken out of it early on and I was disappointed that only his club mate (graham) was only one to get stuck in, this is something Andy should have instilled in them. One in all in. So that's a negative for Andy imo.
Lavin was solely at fault for goal, but had a good game otherwise so wouldn't be too hard on him. The first half was actually a plan, and everyone could see it's still a work in progress, we are trying to play a defensive system and brake at pace , it wasn't pretty but with that wind I think it was right thing to do, this is the competition to try things out, and management will have learned plenty from it, a pretty decent performance from Longford (how many of them was on the 21 team who beat the dubs dream team ) ??
Anyway Tobin and wallace did well when they came on actually most of the subs worked out well. Not convinced at all by FB , still learning. Going forward, we got another game, and the first chance of meeting the weaties since our darkest day.
Knowing where I live I'm sure you will excuse me if I say I don't care how we do it, we HAVE TO WIN." Lord Almighty Could Someone else Please take this one..I Promised no More negativity towards Royaldunne
First 2 Players he mentions are surprise surprise Graham Reilly And Brennan,Shock of the Century...Then Blames McEntee Because the players are disciplined..Correctly so!! Reilly was poor today,Ok maybe a bad day simple as but he starts next week hes still a fine player so stop the bull about "getting stuck in" and making runs!! Any clown can make runs!! Brennan has alot to do to establish himself in the First 15 But he has it in him I think..But a long way to go!! So Predictable that you would be on here trying to Defend them when you could just say both of them had a bad day at the office..Doesnt make them bad players having 1 Bad game,Both of them could be Man of the Match next week there Certainty capable..Interested what reply's you get???
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Replying To bobkarlgees: "Taught Flanagan was brilliant caught all lot ball today. And broke alot ball he didnt catch MOM imo. Surprised no body really mentioned it." Replying to bobkarlgees Yes i thought he improved in the second half to the extent that he has to start the next match . Before his serious injury i said he might be the next John Mc Dermot because of his fielding ability . Couple of his catches showed flashes of his pre injury potential. From that point of view leave him there in the hope that Menton can be a half back of half forward where he may be better suited imo.
I think Andy may field the best players available to him the next day, to try to improve teamwork for the road ahead. Best foot forward now for Roscommon match.
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1227 - 14/01/2018 22:34:57
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See the lads on here who have commented (sorry if there's any ladies who have commented) on the midfield positions, Would Rooney and Flanagan be an option which would allow Menton to play elsewhere? And to that end what would be Menton's best position?
GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 14/01/2018 22:49:25
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Replying To grahamc9897: "Lord Almighty Could Someone else Please take this one..I Promised no More negativity towards Royaldunne
First 2 Players he mentions are surprise surprise Graham Reilly And Brennan,Shock of the Century...Then Blames McEntee Because the players are disciplined..Correctly so!! Reilly was poor today,Ok maybe a bad day simple as but he starts next week hes still a fine player so stop the bull about "getting stuck in" and making runs!! Any clown can make runs!! Brennan has alot to do to establish himself in the First 15 But he has it in him I think..But a long way to go!! So Predictable that you would be on here trying to Defend them when you could just say both of them had a bad day at the office..Doesnt make them bad players having 1 Bad game,Both of them could be Man of the Match next week there Certainty capable..Interested what reply's you get???" Last time I checked it was a forum and I was entitled to MY opinion. I mentioned the two players as they had been mentioned in previous posts. I also mentioned lavin Tobin and wallace. But you neglected to say that.
Again it is MY opinion and I don't think I have to check with yourself to say proofread what I write in case it is not in your view acceptable.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/01/2018 22:50:57
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Replying To bobkarlgees: "I taught Mc Mahon was poor I am not sure how stayed on the pitch for so long. albeit subbed for injury. Missed a simple goal gave the ball away cheaply a good times. seems to pass the backwards instead forward. hesitates to shoot alot. I do like him he just not cutting it in for me." Yeah got a few scores but overall I wasn't overly impressed
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/01/2018 22:52:08
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Replying To ziggy320001: "Lads you need a centre back who holds and understand the position. Conlon and Power do.
Lavin and Gallagher could be the way go at corner back. Keoghan wing back. Not sure who else I would pick wing back yet.." I know who I wouldn't play but 100% Will play on the other wing.
Meathmaster (Meath) - Posts: 251 - 14/01/2018 23:06:07
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Not for the first time, I disagree with a lot of what has been said about the game today. For me, there were a lot more negatives than positives, and I am normally a fairly positive person.
1. The tactics in the first half were absolutely terrible - "puke" football at its worst. Obviously the players weren't at fault for that- the tactics came from the sidelines. I accept the fact that the game has moved on and you can't go out to play man for man. But playing at home, against Longford, with the wind behind them and at times we had all 15 players inside their own 65? No wonder people won't turn up to watch if they are going to play that sort of rubbish. I don't care if its the O'Byrne cup or the All-Ireland final - if your supporters are paying in to watch you, the least you can do is to try and play a bit of football. Andy McEntee has an awful lot of goodwill among most of the supporters (myself included), but he will lose that fairly rapidly if he continually puts out teams to play like that.
2. I wasn't that impressed with Lavin and Moran in the full-back line. I thought Lavin mixed the really good with the very bad, and I thought Moran struggled. For me, Burke was easily the best of the full backs. I'd expect to see Kepghan and McGill back in there for the first round of the league.
3. I thought Conlan was unlucky to be substituted as he was doing ok . Perhaps he committed a cardinal sin by actually venturing up into the opposition half at the end of the first half.
4. Shane McEntee was poor, and was lucky to stay on as long as he did. He is one player that I just don't see what others see in him.
5. We were good at midifeld. However I would strongly disagree with anyone who would have Rooney as a nailed on starter. I didn't think he added much when he came on, taking the ball into contact too often and generally slowing things up. I would stick with Menton and Flanagan.
6. We were non-existant in the half forward line. Obviously Royaldunne is going to defend Reilly and find the positives in his performance - I'd be disappointed if he didn't. In reality though, he was poor. At least the other two have the excuse of inexperience.
7. I think people are being a bit harsh on Brennan. I thought he did ok in the first half. It wasn't easy as he was usually the only forward we had (although he was usually around the 65 yard line. At least he was putting in a bit of effort and trying to get stuck in. He does seem to be a black card waiting to happen though, and needs to temper his enthusiasm a bit.
8. The subs did well when they came on. McEntee, O'Sullivan, Tobin and Wallace all added a bit of energy that was sadly lacking before. They did have the advantage though of a change in tactics - oddly enough we did better when we decided to push forward and put the Longford backs under a bit of pressure. I still don't know what to make of Tobin to be honest. At times (especially when he is brought on as a sub), he looks the real deal and I can't understand why he isn't starting. Then he gets a couple of starts, and he doesn't look up to it at all..
9. How did we allow Longford to get away with the short kick-outs so often?. We knew they were not going to kick it long, but yet seemed powerless to do anything about it. Even when we had everyone marked for a kick-out, someone would lose their man and they would find someone to kick it out to. We need to get a lot better at that.
10. Considering that we seemed to wanted to play with 15 defenders for most of the game, would it not have been a good idea to actually do that when we were 4 points up with 2 minutes to play? We need to get much much smarter about closing games out. Holding possession when we have it, slowing the game up, tactical fouling when necessary. We are so clueless at times,
11. Not for the first time, Pairc Tailteann is a laughing stock. Floodlights rusting beside the pitch, and we finish the game in the dark.
anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 14/01/2018 23:13:18
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Replying To royaldunne: "Last time I checked it was a forum and I was entitled to MY opinion. I mentioned the two players as they had been mentioned in previous posts. I also mentioned lavin Tobin and wallace. But you neglected to say that.
Again it is MY opinion and I don't think I have to check with yourself to say proofread what I write in case it is not in your view acceptable." Absolutely you are entitled to your opinion, and you are entitled to express that opinion as often and as loudly as you like.
However, you are not automatically entitled to have that opinion taken seriously.
I would defend to the end the right of anyone to express their opinion, but I would equally defend to the end the right of anyone else to question and to ridicule it. Freedom of expression goes both ways.
I admire hugely your dedication to the Meath cause, and your willingness to defend and praise you clubmen. However, that does mean that your posts are generally completely biased and unbalanced, and are very often difficult to take seriously. That doesn't bother me as much as seems to bother other people though - I generally find it amusing!
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Replying To anfearbeag: "Absolutely you are entitled to your opinion, and you are entitled to express that opinion as often and as loudly as you like.
However, you are not automatically entitled to have that opinion taken seriously.
I would defend to the end the right of anyone to express their opinion, but I would equally defend to the end the right of anyone else to question and to ridicule it. Freedom of expression goes both ways.
I admire hugely your dedication to the Meath cause, and your willingness to defend and praise you clubmen. However, that does mean that your posts are generally completely biased and unbalanced, and are very often difficult to take seriously. That doesn't bother me as much as seems to bother other people though - I generally find it amusing!" Yuup basically that's it in a nutshell !! Biased to the point of madness !! If his posts were a little more honest then they would be more credible! There nearly embarrassing at this stage
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 14/01/2018 23:33:50
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A special experience today to witness the free kick shoot out.
But how oh how did it come to that???? We had the game won twice over.
First half was so negative and full of errors. I can accept errors - New lads and unfamilar systems will result in mistakes and better it's now than in a few weeks or later in summer.
We let Longford openly win their short kickouts for the entire game and invited the attack. Why? It was clear that their keeper couldnt kick distance and when he did Meath won possession.
The 4 point deficit was a fair reflection at half time and Meath / Management reacted as you expected with subs paying dividends.
That said, January or not, to be 4 points up and to concede 1-1 in less than 90 seconds in injury time and to allow Longford a shot to win was just criminal!! How could anyone watch a team let that lead slip and not be alarmed?
In terms of players ratings, I won't go through the full team: I don't think Biggy deserves all the stick. Yes he had a shocker and kicked a number of brutal wides - it happens and he will know that.
Brennan and Thomas O Reilly, fairly anonymous
Kennelly was poor
McMahon was poor, he finished off the plays in the good positions but missed a guilt edged goal chance
Cogan the Keeper didn't fill me with confidence
Lavin and Moran won't be on championship team had some dodgy moments
Tobin, O Sullivan and Joey Wallace all played extremely well when they came on and contributed to building the leads
James McEntee was involved in nearly everything when he came on. My only concern would be the lack of end product/ overplaying the ball.
Good to be in a final, should aim to win it now for what it's worth. However, on veiwing the sort of tactics on display today, we will achieve nothing.
Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 757 - 14/01/2018 23:52:34
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Replying To anfearbeag: "Not for the first time, I disagree with a lot of what has been said about the game today. For me, there were a lot more negatives than positives, and I am normally a fairly positive person.
1. The tactics in the first half were absolutely terrible - "puke" football at its worst. Obviously the players weren't at fault for that- the tactics came from the sidelines. I accept the fact that the game has moved on and you can't go out to play man for man. But playing at home, against Longford, with the wind behind them and at times we had all 15 players inside their own 65? No wonder people won't turn up to watch if they are going to play that sort of rubbish. I don't care if its the O'Byrne cup or the All-Ireland final - if your supporters are paying in to watch you, the least you can do is to try and play a bit of football. Andy McEntee has an awful lot of goodwill among most of the supporters (myself included), but he will lose that fairly rapidly if he continually puts out teams to play like that.
2. I wasn't that impressed with Lavin and Moran in the full-back line. I thought Lavin mixed the really good with the very bad, and I thought Moran struggled. For me, Burke was easily the best of the full backs. I'd expect to see Kepghan and McGill back in there for the first round of the league.
3. I thought Conlan was unlucky to be substituted as he was doing ok . Perhaps he committed a cardinal sin by actually venturing up into the opposition half at the end of the first half.
4. Shane McEntee was poor, and was lucky to stay on as long as he did. He is one player that I just don't see what others see in him.
5. We were good at midifeld. However I would strongly disagree with anyone who would have Rooney as a nailed on starter. I didn't think he added much when he came on, taking the ball into contact too often and generally slowing things up. I would stick with Menton and Flanagan.
6. We were non-existant in the half forward line. Obviously Royaldunne is going to defend Reilly and find the positives in his performance - I'd be disappointed if he didn't. In reality though, he was poor. At least the other two have the excuse of inexperience.
7. I think people are being a bit harsh on Brennan. I thought he did ok in the first half. It wasn't easy as he was usually the only forward we had (although he was usually around the 65 yard line. At least he was putting in a bit of effort and trying to get stuck in. He does seem to be a black card waiting to happen though, and needs to temper his enthusiasm a bit.
8. The subs did well when they came on. McEntee, O'Sullivan, Tobin and Wallace all added a bit of energy that was sadly lacking before. They did have the advantage though of a change in tactics - oddly enough we did better when we decided to push forward and put the Longford backs under a bit of pressure. I still don't know what to make of Tobin to be honest. At times (especially when he is brought on as a sub), he looks the real deal and I can't understand why he isn't starting. Then he gets a couple of starts, and he doesn't look up to it at all..
9. How did we allow Longford to get away with the short kick-outs so often?. We knew they were not going to kick it long, but yet seemed powerless to do anything about it. Even when we had everyone marked for a kick-out, someone would lose their man and they would find someone to kick it out to. We need to get a lot better at that.
10. Considering that we seemed to wanted to play with 15 defenders for most of the game, would it not have been a good idea to actually do that when we were 4 points up with 2 minutes to play? We need to get much much smarter about closing games out. Holding possession when we have it, slowing the game up, tactical fouling when necessary. We are so clueless at times,
11. Not for the first time, Pairc Tailteann is a laughing stock. Floodlights rusting beside the pitch, and we finish the game in the dark." Like your post! It seems you and I were at the same game! Very little else I would add to what you said - only this - everyone is calling for Biggy to be named captain - I am not sure after his performance yesterday if he meritrs an automatic starting spot - 5 shots on goal and 5 wides. I know he can be exceptional but you need to be consistent too at intercounty level! Also agree on Conlon although I thought Power looked very good when he came on - can you play Conlon and Power together?
I would also add - there was a great buzz at the game - there isn't always in PT! Agree wholeheartedly with everything else - esepcialy the game finishing in the dark!
Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 480 - 15/01/2018 08:47:25
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Replying To royaldunne: "Yeah got a few scores but overall I wasn't overly impressed" if Biggy had kicked the scores he got today you would of been on here saying how good he was! at least Bryan was looking for every ball coming into the forwards, Biggy stood around midfield with hands on his hips for half the game.
you said you were impressed with his defensive duties, only tackle I seen him put in was on Keoghan when he was going through the middle. he had a bad game and isn't captain material at all
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Replying To meathforsam09: "if Biggy had kicked the scores he got today you would of been on here saying how good he was! at least Bryan was looking for every ball coming into the forwards, Biggy stood around midfield with hands on his hips for half the game.
you said you were impressed with his defensive duties, only tackle I seen him put in was on Keoghan when he was going through the middle. he had a bad game and isn't captain material at all" I was talking about Brian not biggy. Made too many mistakes. Had a ok game.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/01/2018 09:59:15
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Replying To Royalblufill: "Like your post! It seems you and I were at the same game! Very little else I would add to what you said - only this - everyone is calling for Biggy to be named captain - I am not sure after his performance yesterday if he meritrs an automatic starting spot - 5 shots on goal and 5 wides. I know he can be exceptional but you need to be consistent too at intercounty level! Also agree on Conlon although I thought Power looked very good when he came on - can you play Conlon and Power together?
I would also add - there was a great buzz at the game - there isn't always in PT! Agree wholeheartedly with everything else - esepcialy the game finishing in the dark!" Seriously, everyone calling for Biggy to be captain ? I am not hearing that anyone I talk too.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 15/01/2018 10:30:32
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Replying To anfearbeag: "Not for the first time, I disagree with a lot of what has been said about the game today. For me, there were a lot more negatives than positives, and I am normally a fairly positive person.
1. The tactics in the first half were absolutely terrible - "puke" football at its worst. Obviously the players weren't at fault for that- the tactics came from the sidelines. I accept the fact that the game has moved on and you can't go out to play man for man. But playing at home, against Longford, with the wind behind them and at times we had all 15 players inside their own 65? No wonder people won't turn up to watch if they are going to play that sort of rubbish. I don't care if its the O'Byrne cup or the All-Ireland final - if your supporters are paying in to watch you, the least you can do is to try and play a bit of football. Andy McEntee has an awful lot of goodwill among most of the supporters (myself included), but he will lose that fairly rapidly if he continually puts out teams to play like that.
2. I wasn't that impressed with Lavin and Moran in the full-back line. I thought Lavin mixed the really good with the very bad, and I thought Moran struggled. For me, Burke was easily the best of the full backs. I'd expect to see Kepghan and McGill back in there for the first round of the league.
3. I thought Conlan was unlucky to be substituted as he was doing ok . Perhaps he committed a cardinal sin by actually venturing up into the opposition half at the end of the first half.
4. Shane McEntee was poor, and was lucky to stay on as long as he did. He is one player that I just don't see what others see in him.
5. We were good at midifeld. However I would strongly disagree with anyone who would have Rooney as a nailed on starter. I didn't think he added much when he came on, taking the ball into contact too often and generally slowing things up. I would stick with Menton and Flanagan.
6. We were non-existant in the half forward line. Obviously Royaldunne is going to defend Reilly and find the positives in his performance - I'd be disappointed if he didn't. In reality though, he was poor. At least the other two have the excuse of inexperience.
7. I think people are being a bit harsh on Brennan. I thought he did ok in the first half. It wasn't easy as he was usually the only forward we had (although he was usually around the 65 yard line. At least he was putting in a bit of effort and trying to get stuck in. He does seem to be a black card waiting to happen though, and needs to temper his enthusiasm a bit.
8. The subs did well when they came on. McEntee, O'Sullivan, Tobin and Wallace all added a bit of energy that was sadly lacking before. They did have the advantage though of a change in tactics - oddly enough we did better when we decided to push forward and put the Longford backs under a bit of pressure. I still don't know what to make of Tobin to be honest. At times (especially when he is brought on as a sub), he looks the real deal and I can't understand why he isn't starting. Then he gets a couple of starts, and he doesn't look up to it at all..
9. How did we allow Longford to get away with the short kick-outs so often?. We knew they were not going to kick it long, but yet seemed powerless to do anything about it. Even when we had everyone marked for a kick-out, someone would lose their man and they would find someone to kick it out to. We need to get a lot better at that.
10. Considering that we seemed to wanted to play with 15 defenders for most of the game, would it not have been a good idea to actually do that when we were 4 points up with 2 minutes to play? We need to get much much smarter about closing games out. Holding possession when we have it, slowing the game up, tactical fouling when necessary. We are so clueless at times,
11. Not for the first time, Pairc Tailteann is a laughing stock. Floodlights rusting beside the pitch, and we finish the game in the dark." Excellent post. On point one I agree terrible tatics playing that with the wind and adopting the puke football style was crazy. And its very hard to watch aswell. But I have no problem trying different tactics and systems. But if you are going play that defensive style football you have score very chance you get. To often the wrong players ended up with taking the scores you need to your scoring forward taking the shot not Shane Mc Antee. Also there did'nt seem to be much of an attack plan we seemed to over obsessed with finding the killer pass you need to break at speed with short hand passing.
I one stage some kicked a long ball to Bryan Mc Machon. With 3 men around him. Luckily he one the won ball. But what happened next. He ended up kicking back out to the 45 from where the ball came from and they started again. That summed it the first have up for me.
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Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 15/01/2018 11:05:16
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