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Replying To wishfulthinkin: "Surely if we're concerned about a Div 1 team's ability to beat a Div 3 team, then we may forget about mentioning Ulster finals/titles." Yes div 1 & div 3 teams next year. I wouldn't be insinuating that there is that big off a gulf just because next year we will be in different divisions. League & championship are different competitions altogether. Where as in the league a string of games week in week out can be suit a team with all their players fit & can give off the image that the team is flying & in great form. On the flip side of that, if a team picks up a few injuries & plays teams at a different stage (who may have nothing to play for) of the league - this team can look to the outside world as if they are going nowhere fast. Armagh are no mugs. They were missing their captain for a lot of games and definitely improved towards the end of the league. Whatever happened or was said in the dressing room at half time in navan, we could easily be in div 3 also, remember that. A teams season can hinge on tiny margins or factors. Its not like we are world beaters ourselves & have been continually reaching ulster finals or the latter stages of the all ireland. And i don't like to see current & former players coming out & saying "we can rule ulster" or we can do this etc etc. Keep your mouth closed, work hard, concentrate on your game and performance. Let the manager talk to the media & don't be giving teams any ammunition to fire them up prior to playing us. If we win great, but keep a lid on things & don't assume anything or be looking ahead to finals based on 1 good league campaign. We are moving in the right direction at last. But lets walk before we try run like the big boys. just_the_facts (Cavan) - Posts: 163 - 25/05/2016 12:16:03 1858444 Link
Just the facts you talk a lot of sence we have a great panel this year , but we need to work hard stay away from brawls . Wishing the management and team all the best on sunday asitis (Cavan) - Posts: 233 - 25/05/2016 17:32:27 1858594 Link
Replying To just_the_facts: "Yes div 1 & div 3 teams next year. I wouldn't be insinuating that there is that big off a gulf just because next year we will be in different divisions. League & championship are different competitions altogether. Where as in the league a string of games week in week out can be suit a team with all their players fit & can give off the image that the team is flying & in great form. On the flip side of that, if a team picks up a few injuries & plays teams at a different stage (who may have nothing to play for) of the league - this team can look to the outside world as if they are going nowhere fast. Armagh are no mugs. They were missing their captain for a lot of games and definitely improved towards the end of the league. Whatever happened or was said in the dressing room at half time in navan, we could easily be in div 3 also, remember that. A teams season can hinge on tiny margins or factors. Its not like we are world beaters ourselves & have been continually reaching ulster finals or the latter stages of the all ireland. And i don't like to see current & former players coming out & saying "we can rule ulster" or we can do this etc etc. Keep your mouth closed, work hard, concentrate on your game and performance. Let the manager talk to the media & don't be giving teams any ammunition to fire them up prior to playing us. If we win great, but keep a lid on things & don't assume anything or be looking ahead to finals based on 1 good league campaign. We are moving in the right direction at last. But lets walk before we try run like the big boys." McVeety: Breffni can rule Ulster Dara McVeety believes Cavan are good enough to win the Anglo-Celt Cup.........http://hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=255669 wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1720 - 25/05/2016 18:20:29 1858604 Link
I don't know. We have to change our mentality. I personally have no problem with the likes of McVeety saying that we can win an Ulster title - he has already done it underage and why can't we do it again? Do you think he is sitting at home thinking he better not tell anyone that he thinks we can win. Forget about it. A lot of the old cliche's are floating around this forum, but sorry, this bunch of lads are winners and will believe they can beat anyone on their day. A breath of fresh air if you ask me!! There is a difference between trash talking and a player coming out, saying we can win a provincial title and rallying the troops! Come on Cavan and good luck on Sunday! Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 25/05/2016 20:04:14 1858633 Link
Best of luck to Cavan Minors and Seniors Sunday cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 26/05/2016 08:49:33 1858710 Link
Replying To Reformation: "I don't know. We have to change our mentality. I personally have no problem with the likes of McVeety saying that we can win an Ulster title - he has already done it underage and why can't we do it again? Do you think he is sitting at home thinking he better not tell anyone that he thinks we can win. Forget about it. A lot of the old cliche's are floating around this forum, but sorry, this bunch of lads are winners and will believe they can beat anyone on their day. A breath of fresh air if you ask me!! There is a difference between trash talking and a player coming out, saying we can win a provincial title and rallying the troops! Come on Cavan and good luck on Sunday!" I know him & many of the panel have all won underage titles. I'm all for having belief, confidence in yourself & the team etc. But I'd be of the opinion to keep it within that circle of people for the time being. Its our first game in Ulster after all, if we get over this hurdle we then have Tyrone - hardly an easy passage. They will be a serious step up again from Armagh & from the division 2 final. Take it one game at a time is all I'm saying & let the results do the talking. just_the_facts (Cavan) - Posts: 163 - 26/05/2016 12:06:55 1858829 Link
yea, i wouldn't mind if the results in ulster were there to back it up, let them win an Ulster senior title and then come out saying there's no reason why they can't rule ulster for a few years, cause at the minute, Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal are ahead...and there's not too many people overly confident about beating Armagh . You never hear Dublin lads coming out saying they think they can win leinster... wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1720 - 26/05/2016 12:31:56 1858851 Link
Lads McVeety never said the words "rule Ulster" That's a headline chosen by the journalist. Read the interview. It's all very humble and measured. He was asked about the idea of Cavan winning Ulster and he said he definitely thinks we have the players to do it but we need to go out and deliver against Armagh. Absolutely nothing arrogant or presumptuous about what he said at all. Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 26/05/2016 13:10:33 1858874 Link
Replying To JonSmith: "Lads McVeety never said the words "rule Ulster" That's a headline chosen by the journalist. Read the interview. It's all very humble and measured. He was asked about the idea of Cavan winning Ulster and he said he definitely thinks we have the players to do it but we need to go out and deliver against Armagh. Absolutely nothing arrogant or presumptuous about what he said at all." Well said tom, its just journalism that blew that up, dara never said anything about ruleing ulster. blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 26/05/2016 15:20:46 1858947 Link
so the content was what he said, not the headline? how do you know he didn't say it and it was used as the headline and not included in the main body? i'm sure the quotes in the article weren't all he said or else it was a very short interview wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1720 - 26/05/2016 15:30:43 1858958 Link
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-statistics-cavan-s-sideways-passing-shows-no-faith-in-talent-1.2660698 Interesting article DaffyDuck14 (Cavan) - Posts: 24 - 26/05/2016 15:36:23 1858964 Link
Wishful go take a look at any other article on the Cavan page.. The Cunningham or Cavanagh articles. A direct quote in a headline is put in quotation marks, as is the case with those two articles. Not the case with McVeety because he didn't say it. That's basic journalism. It's very obviously a headline chosen by the journalist. Not to mention the fact that the rest of the article is very measured by McVeety. A bit of an odd thing to fixate on the week before a Championship game. Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 26/05/2016 17:07:48 1859016 Link
Replying To JonSmith: "Wishful go take a look at any other article on the Cavan page.. The Cunningham or Cavanagh articles. A direct quote in a headline is put in quotation marks, as is the case with those two articles. Not the case with McVeety because he didn't say it. That's basic journalism. It's very obviously a headline chosen by the journalist. Not to mention the fact that the rest of the article is very measured by McVeety. A bit of an odd thing to fixate on the week before a Championship game." Believe clickbait would be what it was. 15 picked. Bit harsh on two Bradys. Thought be just one player in for Jason. doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 26/05/2016 18:42:38 1859073 Link
Dunne was always going to come in. Harsh on the Bradys alright but Ciaran will most certainly be involved at some stage if fit. Flanagan is no real surprise either as once fit Terry invariably picks him. I think the half back line has looked vulnerable for us at times and it never really looks the most comfortable. Whether he has improved it with the selection I'm not so sure either. Still, as strong a team as we could hope for considering you are always going to be carrying knocks. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 26/05/2016 20:16:46 1859116 Link
Replying To DaffyDuck14: "https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-statistics-cavan-s-sideways-passing-shows-no-faith-in-talent-1.2660698 Interesting article" that's probably one of the better articles I have read regarding this current Cavan setup. It analyses the way we play accurately. It also begs the question why the situation was left unaltered in the league final. I hope lessons have been learned. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 26/05/2016 21:40:22 1859165 Link
Replying To s goldrick: "that's probably one of the better articles I have read regarding this current Cavan setup. It analyses the way we play accurately. It also begs the question why the situation was left unaltered in the league final. I hope lessons have been learned." I think it is a lot of old nonsense which totally ignores the quality of the Tyrone defensive effort which is what forced Cavan into the sideways passing. Where is the stat in which he measures the amount of turnovers cavan conceded when the kicked the ball in. Hardly one ball stuck inside. Its a lazy analysis designed to fit a pre-conceived prejudice. fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 27/05/2016 09:22:53 1859200 Link
Replying To fredflint: "I think it is a lot of old nonsense which totally ignores the quality of the Tyrone defensive effort which is what forced Cavan into the sideways passing. Where is the stat in which he measures the amount of turnovers cavan conceded when the kicked the ball in. Hardly one ball stuck inside. Its a lazy analysis designed to fit a pre-conceived prejudice." Exactly fredflint. In fairness to the journalist, he did a right bit of work on getting those stats but, as usual, it looks like a journalist looking to prove something with stats rather than watching the game (at the stadium, not on TV) and making a judgement. Skelling (USA) - Posts: 289 - 27/05/2016 10:34:17 1859225 Link
Nothing wrong with a sideways (or off-the-shoulder) pass. In fact, it's the best way to penetrate a blanket defense. Our problem in the League Final was that the runner off-the-shoulder didn't come - instead 3 or 4 players lined up 20 yards behind the play and held those positions. There are 2 logical reasons as to why: 1. don't give the gameplan away in a league match (albeit a final) 2. don't leave yourself short at the back and risk a morale-damaging hammering I expect a less reserved approach on Sunday which will prove too much for an Armagh defence which is a couple of levels below Tyrone's/ cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 27/05/2016 10:46:52 1859234 Link
Lets hope the team are better organized than the yokes who decided that hosting a stages rally in Cavan on Sunday was acceptable. Anyway, as regards team selection, it looks a big physical side on paper. I'd be bit concerned by a lack of creativity in midfield/halfback but there is great work ethic in there. The onus Is now on Martin Reilly and GMac to drop in and then move ball quickly inside, something they don't tend to naturally do. Put the laces through it lads and don't get bottled up carrying into traffic. Very strong full back line, assuming Dunne's sharpness is up his own high standards- I honestly can't see Armagh's forward line getting much change there. McGeeneys team selection looks to be full of the usual bluff. Donaghy will likely have to drop back from midfield to mark Argue but the big lad should still be dominating up front. Vernon on Givney would give you confidence. Andy Mallon will pick up SJ which could go either way. They have a debut keeper too so rain in a few high ones into a crowded square early on and test the mettle. Anytime Armagh 'have a plan' to curb an influential player that usually means sticking McKeever on him- that will be McKiernan's lot. MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 27/05/2016 12:04:44 1859273 Link
Replying To MadgeKing: "Lets hope the team are better organized than the yokes who decided that hosting a stages rally in Cavan on Sunday was acceptable. Anyway, as regards team selection, it looks a big physical side on paper. I'd be bit concerned by a lack of creativity in midfield/halfback but there is great work ethic in there. The onus Is now on Martin Reilly and GMac to drop in and then move ball quickly inside, something they don't tend to naturally do. Put the laces through it lads and don't get bottled up carrying into traffic. Very strong full back line, assuming Dunne's sharpness is up his own high standards- I honestly can't see Armagh's forward line getting much change there. McGeeneys team selection looks to be full of the usual bluff. Donaghy will likely have to drop back from midfield to mark Argue but the big lad should still be dominating up front. Vernon on Givney would give you confidence. Andy Mallon will pick up SJ which could go either way. They have a debut keeper too so rain in a few high ones into a crowded square early on and test the mettle. Anytime Armagh 'have a plan' to curb an influential player that usually means sticking McKeever on him- that will be McKiernan's lot." Best of luck to both Cavan teams and management Sunday, very important to not get tangled up in any off the ball stuff, because armagh as usual will try and disrupted. blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 27/05/2016 12:56:14 1859294 Link