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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "You will see fredflint knows where I am coming from with my post.
By the way I am okay with the development of youths but please remove the manual coaches it's boring to tell you the truth. This last 15 or so years have proved nothing except that the system is not working.

For those that will for ever knock me, over the last three years if not 8 years we could nearly alway's pick the starting 15 for Cavan now that being the case why have another 20 fringe players coming night after night knowing they might never get a start.

To be fair I believe Cavan's fringe players would have beaten Wicklow but they did not get the chance did they.

A lot of work going forward now the only way is up.

Let's hope there is some positive sole searching over the next few months. ."
So you'd drop Faulkner, Gearoid, Martin, the 2 Galligans, Gerry Smith, McLoughlin, Holla Clarke and Kiernan (those are basically the guaranteed starters).

Genuinely, how much better do you think we'd be? I think we'd be an awful lot worse.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 12/07/2021 12:59:00    2358977

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Replying To cavanman47:  "So you'd drop Faulkner, Gearoid, Martin, the 2 Galligans, Gerry Smith, McLoughlin, Holla Clarke and Kiernan (those are basically the guaranteed starters).

Genuinely, how much better do you think we'd be? I think we'd be an awful lot worse."
I said if you care to read, Cavan's other 15 would have been expected to beat Wicklow so take what you like from my post, it is as it is. Out of the championship relegated to Division 4 so you name players who were on that and lost. They were not up to it true or false.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 12/07/2021 13:20:05    2358983

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "I said if you care to read, Cavan's other 15 would have been expected to beat Wicklow so take what you like from my post, it is as it is. Out of the championship relegated to Division 4 so you name players who were on that and lost. They were not up to it true or false."
You said we could name their starting 15.

No, we could name those players listed, and then the other positions are up for grabs.

So if only the fringe players line out, then those listed are dropped.

Do I think we'd have beaten wicklow if that had happened? No, I don't.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 12/07/2021 13:31:54    2358989

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To The Quiet Man:  "I said if you care to read, Cavan's other 15 would have been expected to beat Wicklow so take what you like from my post, it is as it is. Out of the championship relegated to Division 4 so you name players who were on that and lost. They were not up to it true or false."
You said we could name their starting 15.

No, we could name those players listed, and then the other positions are up for grabs.

So if only the fringe players line out, then those listed are dropped.

Do I think we'd have beaten wicklow if that had happened? No, I don't."
The players you mention you say are first choice you say this not me.

I said the15 extra players of the panel would have beaten Wicklow I make no apology for saying this.

You have pin pointed the problem saying the above are automatic first choice's. This should only be the case with outstanding players we don't have that luxury??.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 12/07/2021 15:41:12    2359058

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Replying To fredflint:  "Where did I say I was happy with this season. Do you have the intelligence to read and comprehend?"
Where did I say you were actually happy with the season….? Do you have the intelligence to read and comprehend…? I think not…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 12/07/2021 16:14:57    2359081

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "
Replying To cavanman47:  "[quote=The Quiet Man:  "I said if you care to read, Cavan's other 15 would have been expected to beat Wicklow so take what you like from my post, it is as it is. Out of the championship relegated to Division 4 so you name players who were on that and lost. They were not up to it true or false."
You said we could name their starting 15.

No, we could name those players listed, and then the other positions are up for grabs.

So if only the fringe players line out, then those listed are dropped.

Do I think we'd have beaten wicklow if that had happened? No, I don't."
The players you mention you say are first choice you say this not me.

I said the15 extra players of the panel would have beaten Wicklow I make no apology for saying this.

You have pin pointed the problem saying the above are automatic first choice's. This should only be the case with outstanding players we don't have that luxury??."].

They're outstanding in Cavan terms, as 3 are current all stars and another 4 got nominations last year.

They're clear first choice players as all played a huge part in last year's ulster win.

They are not guaranteed their place. But they have been comfortably able to keep their place as the great fringe players you mention (but don't actually mention) haven't shown themselves to be any better when given the chance.

In fact, I would argue that trying too many fringe players is the reason we are in division 4 next year.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 12/07/2021 16:28:58    2359089

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Look at the performance Derry put up against Donegal, Cavan as Ulster champions brushed aside.
Derry are in the All Ireland Minor final against Kerry. They are on the upward curve while Cavan are getting tanked underage and in Division 4

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 12/07/2021 19:25:46    2359135

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Look at the performance Derry put up against Donegal, Cavan as Ulster champions brushed aside.
Derry are in the All Ireland Minor final against Kerry. They are on the upward curve while Cavan are getting tanked underage and in Division 4"
And we won an ulster and they won't be winning one any time soon.

So what

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 12/07/2021 20:03:37    2359149

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To The Quiet Man:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "[quote=The Quiet Man:  "I said if you care to read, Cavan's other 15 would have been expected to beat Wicklow so take what you like from my post, it is as it is. Out of the championship relegated to Division 4 so you name players who were on that and lost. They were not up to it true or false."
You said we could name their starting 15.

No, we could name those players listed, and then the other positions are up for grabs.

So if only the fringe players line out, then those listed are dropped.

Do I think we'd have beaten wicklow if that had happened? No, I don't."
The players you mention you say are first choice you say this not me.

I said the15 extra players of the panel would have beaten Wicklow I make no apology for saying this.

You have pin pointed the problem saying the above are automatic first choice's. This should only be the case with outstanding players we don't have that luxury??."].

They're outstanding in Cavan terms, as 3 are current all stars and another 4 got nominations last year.

They're clear first choice players as all played a huge part in last year's ulster win.

They are not guaranteed their place. But they have been comfortably able to keep their place as the great fringe players you mention (but don't actually mention) haven't shown themselves to be any better when given the chance.

In fact, I would argue that trying too many fringe players is the reason we are in division 4 next year."]What Cavan team were you watching during the league with 'too many fringe players'? The starting lineup on Saturday didn't look a whole pile different to the 15 we saw throughout the league?

an_cearrbhach (Cavan) - Posts: 28 - 12/07/2021 20:15:10    2359151

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To The Quiet Man:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "[quote=The Quiet Man:  "I said if you care to read, Cavan's other 15 would have been expected to beat Wicklow so take what you like from my post, it is as it is. Out of the championship relegated to Division 4 so you name players who were on that and lost. They were not up to it true or false."
You said we could name their starting 15.

No, we could name those players listed, and then the other positions are up for grabs.

So if only the fringe players line out, then those listed are dropped.

Do I think we'd have beaten wicklow if that had happened? No, I don't."
The players you mention you say are first choice you say this not me.

I said the15 extra players of the panel would have beaten Wicklow I make no apology for saying this.

You have pin pointed the problem saying the above are automatic first choice's. This should only be the case with outstanding players we don't have that luxury??."].

They're outstanding in Cavan terms, as 3 are current all stars and another 4 got nominations last year.

They're clear first choice players as all played a huge part in last year's ulster win.

They are not guaranteed their place. But they have been comfortably able to keep their place as the great fringe players you mention (but don't actually mention) haven't shown themselves to be any better when given the chance.

In fact, I would argue that trying too many fringe players is the reason we are in division 4 next year."]So called fringe players you say why if they are not good enough as you say are they in on the panel. Come on you should be able to call on any of these players at any stage. Here lay's the problem he county are carrying players that are not good enough, your words not mine.

Lets sort the men from the boy's then play a full game between each other to see what's there. A full blooded challenge match. I am sure this will remove the chaff what do you think. ???

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 12/07/2021 20:48:53    2359161

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Replying To cavanman47:  "And we won an ulster and they won't be winning one any time soon.

So what"
That is true enough and no one will ever take that away from us.
But to counter that, Derry along with Donegal and Monaghan will likely dominate Ulster for the next decade based on current evidence. I would expect them to win a few ulster titles and to consistently challenge every year.
The likelihood is we will reminiscing on bar stools about the Winter of 2020 for the next 20 years.
That is the frustration amongst Cavan fans at the moment, why cant we strive to dominate for years and years.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 197 - 12/07/2021 21:28:26    2359182

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Replying To cavanman47:  "And we won an ulster and they won't be winning one any time soon.

So what"
They have more chance of winning one in future years then Cavan. I remember you wrote off Derry doing anything in Ulster after the league game, they didn't roll over like Cavan

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 13/07/2021 18:28:25    2359494

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Replying To cavanman47:  "And we won an ulster and they won't be winning one any time soon.

So what"
Are you mystic meg or something? They have more chance of winning Ulster in next 5 year's then Cavan


Your said after tte League game that was Dertys biggest game of the year because they weren't focused on championship unlike Cavan. For a team that wasn't focused they ran Donegal close

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 13/07/2021 18:44:22    2359500

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Are you mystic meg or something? They have more chance of winning Ulster in next 5 year's then Cavan


Your said after tte League game that was Dertys biggest game of the year because they weren't focused on championship unlike Cavan. For a team that wasn't focused they ran Donegal close"
Yep they did. And they lost.

If Cavan did the same, there'd be plenty on this forum saying we blew it.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 13/07/2021 21:03:08    2359550

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Yep they did. And they lost.

If Cavan did the same, there'd be plenty on this forum saying we blew it."
Truth to be told Derry were their own worst enemies a point down the ref played 5min 37 seconds they played the ball over and back until the referee had enough and when they questioned his call he indicated you played the ball over and back so many times I had no choice but to call it. This is like playing the ball back to the keeper when you are 8 points down. Ring a bell anyone ???

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 14/07/2021 00:07:12    2359624

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I'm very disappointed about last Saturday and the league performance in general but it's great to see the usual lads just sniping at each other on here. How about something constructive is added or suggested. We've had the same lad droning on for the last decade on here about the wrong players being on the panel and magical lists he has yet when he actually names out his suggested players it does nothing but give us all a good laugh.
We've the same man now suggesting the subs would beat first choice when, if you ask me, the issue is the lads that have been brought in. I don't want to start naming players as it's not fair but I' don't see the reason management are starting lads who are U20 and have only played a handful of senior championship games for their club when a player who played every game and won an Ulster medal last year was left on the bench. In my opinion, we had 12 guaranteed starts after last year - R Galligan, Fortune, Faulkner, McLaughlin, C. Brady, Smith, Clarke, Galligan, Smith, McKiernan, Reilly, Kiernan. I believe Brady and Smith were the only two unavailable so the other ten should be starting in my book. They earned it last year if nothing else.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 14/07/2021 14:21:06    2359795

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "I'm very disappointed about last Saturday and the league performance in general but it's great to see the usual lads just sniping at each other on here. How about something constructive is added or suggested. We've had the same lad droning on for the last decade on here about the wrong players being on the panel and magical lists he has yet when he actually names out his suggested players it does nothing but give us all a good laugh.
We've the same man now suggesting the subs would beat first choice when, if you ask me, the issue is the lads that have been brought in. I don't want to start naming players as it's not fair but I' don't see the reason management are starting lads who are U20 and have only played a handful of senior championship games for their club when a player who played every game and won an Ulster medal last year was left on the bench. In my opinion, we had 12 guaranteed starts after last year - R Galligan, Fortune, Faulkner, McLaughlin, C. Brady, Smith, Clarke, Galligan, Smith, McKiernan, Reilly, Kiernan. I believe Brady and Smith were the only two unavailable so the other ten should be starting in my book. They earned it last year if nothing else."
No problem with you pointing fingers. The problem is right in front of you in your post. You name 12 players you say have a right to start why not add the two murray's to that list as well. Come on wake up and smell the roses. You are only as good as your last match no divine right to start period. You earn that right week on week when you train with the rest. If I were part of the panel of 34 or so and I knew I would never start in the first fifteen why should I bother bursting a gut knowing I will never play.

NO PLAYER HAS A DIVINE RIGHT TO START IN ANY TEAM HE SHE MUST PUT IN THE EFFORT ALONG WITH THE REST.

Now you see why players don't want to come onto the panel ???

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 14/07/2021 15:36:46    2359837

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "No problem with you pointing fingers. The problem is right in front of you in your post. You name 12 players you say have a right to start why not add the two murray's to that list as well. Come on wake up and smell the roses. You are only as good as your last match no divine right to start period. You earn that right week on week when you train with the rest. If I were part of the panel of 34 or so and I knew I would never start in the first fifteen why should I bother bursting a gut knowing I will never play.

NO PLAYER HAS A DIVINE RIGHT TO START IN ANY TEAM HE SHE MUST PUT IN THE EFFORT ALONG WITH THE REST.

Now you see why players don't want to come onto the panel ???"
Did you see the number of players who were tried throughout the league? I really don't see where you are going with this. Plenty of new lads have been tried throughout what amounted to 4 games - we even had Breen O'Connell that had never played for Cavan before start at the weekend. Maybe we should have stuck to what's tried and tested in the League and maybe we wouldn't have been relegated.
No matter who the manager is you seem to complain about who is on the panel so you'll never be happy anyway.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 14/07/2021 16:26:06    2359858

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "I'm very disappointed about last Saturday and the league performance in general but it's great to see the usual lads just sniping at each other on here. How about something constructive is added or suggested. We've had the same lad droning on for the last decade on here about the wrong players being on the panel and magical lists he has yet when he actually names out his suggested players it does nothing but give us all a good laugh.
We've the same man now suggesting the subs would beat first choice when, if you ask me, the issue is the lads that have been brought in. I don't want to start naming players as it's not fair but I' don't see the reason management are starting lads who are U20 and have only played a handful of senior championship games for their club when a player who played every game and won an Ulster medal last year was left on the bench. In my opinion, we had 12 guaranteed starts after last year - R Galligan, Fortune, Faulkner, McLaughlin, C. Brady, Smith, Clarke, Galligan, Smith, McKiernan, Reilly, Kiernan. I believe Brady and Smith were the only two unavailable so the other ten should be starting in my book. They earned it last year if nothing else."
A pretty spot on post.

I wouldn't necessarily say those lads had earned the right to start. . .but as you say, enough lads were given chances in the league and didn't offer a better option, so it really is hard to fathom the Colin Gumley fan spouting about lads not being given a chance.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 14/07/2021 16:55:04    2359868

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Replying To cavanman47:  "A pretty spot on post.

I wouldn't necessarily say those lads had earned the right to start. . .but as you say, enough lads were given chances in the league and didn't offer a better option, so it really is hard to fathom the Colin Gumley fan spouting about lads not being given a chance."
Same old same old.

Looks like a few morons get pleasure from little things. Sadly it's people like you that have no idea what is happening to the once beautiful game around you.
I expect it would be hard to find those that think the 10,12,14 are better the the other 16 plus on the panel if's thats the case why have a second team training week after week for what.
The only way to solve the issues in Cavan are to get the clubs more involved for I am sure many would would not agree with people like you that feel the top 10,12,14 should be burnt out because the second string are not good enough.

Try and look away from personal issues you may have with me and a few others and take your head out of the sand and look at the wider picture.

Yes I am not from Cavan but I have spent most of my adult life here and I have an interest in the future of Cavan as I have grandchildren growing up that will be supporting them and I would like to think by the time they are old enough they will be able to enjoy watching their county year on year with expectations.
Take care of yourself

You know who I am I am willing to chat with anyone face to face in the hope a constructive conversation might take place regarding the future and maybe something positive might happen.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 14/07/2021 20:40:56    2359924

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