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Cavan In The Qualifiers/ Super 8S

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "They are as are Roscommon Armagh Monaghan Kildare Cork Laois Galway Mayo I am struggling not to put Waterford Tipperary Clare and Westmeath before Cavan nothing to do with pessimists having been reading optimist posts it makes me wonder can they not see the blatant inadequacy in the team. Really it's very difficult to have a civil discussion with people that are such optimists. At some stage one has to draw a line when paying in the hope we might get a performance that justifies being a little bit optimistic going forward.
After watching our relegation and knowing the draw for the Ulster campaign the majority I would say were optimistic that Cavan could reach the Ulster final considering that Armagh were coming from Division 3 and Monaghan sadly for them were coming to the end of a very successful 6 years or so and injuries. All I could hear is Cavan have a great chance of reaching Ulster because they had an easy draw.
Looking at the Ulster set up would it not be better to seed Donegal and Tyrone and have two sections instead of having to play a qualifier every year before the 1/4 finals this way year on year teams like Armagh Cavan Monaghan Derry Down Fermanagh and Antrim would have an optimistic chance of reaching a simi final and maybe a final. For example if you have Donegal 1 Tyrone 2
Monaghan 3 Cavan 4
Fermanagh 5 Armagh 6
Derry 7 Down 8
Antrim 9 Bye
So after the first round which would be
3 plays bye 3 wins
4 plays 9
5 plays 8
6 plays 7
the second round
3 play's the winners of 6 & 7
winners of 4 & 9 play the winners of 5 & 8
Then the two winners are placed in a box and the first drawn plays Donegal and the second plays Tyrone this way you have a good chance of getting to a final. Teams are seeded on their league positions"
Getting to the final wasn't the problem it was the performance in the final and after in the qualifiers that left a lot to be desired.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 22/07/2019 13:19:46    2214675

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "They are as are Roscommon Armagh Monaghan Kildare Cork Laois Galway Mayo I am struggling not to put Waterford Tipperary Clare and Westmeath before Cavan nothing to do with pessimists having been reading optimist posts it makes me wonder can they not see the blatant inadequacy in the team. Really it's very difficult to have a civil discussion with people that are such optimists. At some stage one has to draw a line when paying in the hope we might get a performance that justifies being a little bit optimistic going forward.
After watching our relegation and knowing the draw for the Ulster campaign the majority I would say were optimistic that Cavan could reach the Ulster final considering that Armagh were coming from Division 3 and Monaghan sadly for them were coming to the end of a very successful 6 years or so and injuries. All I could hear is Cavan have a great chance of reaching Ulster because they had an easy draw.
Looking at the Ulster set up would it not be better to seed Donegal and Tyrone and have two sections instead of having to play a qualifier every year before the 1/4 finals this way year on year teams like Armagh Cavan Monaghan Derry Down Fermanagh and Antrim would have an optimistic chance of reaching a simi final and maybe a final. For example if you have Donegal 1 Tyrone 2
Monaghan 3 Cavan 4
Fermanagh 5 Armagh 6
Derry 7 Down 8
Antrim 9 Bye
So after the first round which would be
3 plays bye 3 wins
4 plays 9
5 plays 8
6 plays 7
the second round
3 play's the winners of 6 & 7
winners of 4 & 9 play the winners of 5 & 8
Then the two winners are placed in a box and the first drawn plays Donegal and the second plays Tyrone this way you have a good chance of getting to a final. Teams are seeded on their league positions"
I'm going to ask you for clarification, just to see if you will actually say it for the 3rd time. . .

Are Waterford better than Cavan?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 22/07/2019 13:20:46    2214677

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Replying To cavanman47:  "I'm going to ask you for clarification, just to see if you will actually say it for the 3rd time. . .

Are Waterford better than Cavan?"
This is the first time you asked me and to be honest this a question that is hard to answer but I expect that they are. You are probably picking the weakest team in Munster however. If you looked at my post I put Cavan ahead of them.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 22/07/2019 13:32:31    2214687

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Getting to the final wasn't the problem it was the performance in the final and after in the qualifiers that left a lot to be desired."
Off course I agree with you but one has to ask questions is their a problem in the camp are players just not interested knowing they are going to be beat so why bust a gut or are they exhausted. There is something wrong thats for sure but what it is I don't know.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 22/07/2019 13:35:56    2214691

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "This is the first time you asked me and to be honest this a question that is hard to answer but I expect that they are. You are probably picking the weakest team in Munster however. If you looked at my post I put Cavan ahead of them."
"They are better than Cavan, but I would put Cavan ahead of them"

Do you even read what you type? It's like you start to type with one idea in your head, and by the end of the sentence you've reached a totally different idea.

Your posts don't make any sense whatsoever. I don't agree with a lot of posters on here, but the majority of them debate in good faith and make sense in what they're saying. You however, simply post incoherent gibberish.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 22/07/2019 14:18:14    2214725

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "This is the first time you asked me and to be honest this a question that is hard to answer but I expect that they are. You are probably picking the weakest team in Munster however. If you looked at my post I put Cavan ahead of them."
Please translate that. . you expect that Waterford are better, but you say Cavan are??

I'm as confused as you must have been when you said Armagh are in Division 3!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 22/07/2019 14:31:01    2214735

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "Watching the Super 8s game today, we were very unfortunate. It looks like the clear top 4 teams in the country are Dublin, Kerry, Donegal & Tyrone - we played two of those teams to end our season.

Meath vs Mayo today was a very poor game and I'm not being optimistic when I say we could have beaten either of those two sides in Croker today."
What on earth are you smoking. .. Roscommon and Meath are only make weights in the super 8 groups but I doubt Cavan would beat either at the moment... Meath are a much improved side than when we played them last remember and we all know about our great record v Roscommon ( not ).... Cavan players proved they have no fight or guts in them for the heat of battle that's needed in big Championship games against the bigger teams... I don't expect them to beat these top 6/8 teams but at least go down with a bit of pride and don't just give up..

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 22/07/2019 14:53:04    2214750

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  ""They are better than Cavan, but I would put Cavan ahead of them"

Do you even read what you type? It's like you start to type with one idea in your head, and by the end of the sentence you've reached a totally different idea.

Your posts don't make any sense whatsoever. I don't agree with a lot of posters on here, but the majority of them debate in good faith and make sense in what they're saying. You however, simply post incoherent gibberish."
You disappoint me Cavan_Shamble seems like I miss read you.

Show me where I said Waterford are better than Cavan please. But it's a narrow call on present form fro Cavan it's that simple.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 22/07/2019 15:06:20    2214759

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Please translate that. . you expect that Waterford are better, but you say Cavan are??

I'm as confused as you must have been when you said Armagh are in Division 3!"
If you take time and read my post you will see I said I m struggling to put Cavan ahead of Waterford but you will read that I did so between yourself and Cavan_Slashed stop nit picking the post and the man that wrote it and try and be constructive for chirst sake to see if between us we can find a solution to improving Cavan's senior football set up. As it stands with all the money thats pumped into them it's a total disgrace.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 22/07/2019 15:14:57    2214764

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "You disappoint me Cavan_Shamble seems like I miss read you.

Show me where I said Waterford are better than Cavan please. But it's a narrow call on present form fro Cavan it's that simple."
You can't even remember what your opinion was two hours ago.

You were asked, "are Waterford better than Cavan?"

Do you remember typing the words "that is hard to answer but I expect that they are".

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 22/07/2019 16:33:28    2214824

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "You can't even remember what your opinion was two hours ago.

You were asked, "are Waterford better than Cavan?"

Do you remember typing the words "that is hard to answer but I expect that they are"."
Read my post my dear man I said I am struggling but I did put Cavan ahead of them.
The way Cavan played there last two matches anyone would fancy their chances against them including Antrim Carlow Wicklow Leitrim Sligo. If the players hearts are not in it they need to be changed even if it means replacing the whole lot of them. A line has to be drawn plain and simple. Long time I thought since the Liam Austin Crap but it seems it has not been removed from the dressing room or maybe the management. I remember the late Eamonn Coleman being bullied by people and it's terrible and I hope to god we Cavan are not going backwards instead of forward. Out of the championship out of Division 1 what's next.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 22/07/2019 16:46:17    2214828

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Replying To StirringIt:  "Seem's like we're living in the past here and the theory that Pats lads are Gods. There's an old saying " The older a man gets, the faster he was able to run as a boy"

Back in the 70's the football was slow and physical. None of those players would survive in the modern game.
TG4 showed the All Ireland Final from 1974 recently. It was brutal to watch. Balls been hoofed into a forward line, frees of the ground slowing up the game.
You can't compare the game of over 40 years ago to now."
a good player will always be a good player. the same players who adapted and thrived in a different era would adapt and thrive in Today's game. Do you honestly think that those players would play the same way if they were playing today as they did in the 70s. It's all hypothetical of course but to say that players of a different wouldn't survive in the modern era is way too simplistic. If they followed the same old training regime and diet and played the same old tactics , well of course no team would survive even against a current div 4 outfit. But you would have to assume that the best were the best because they were better than the rest and they still would be.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 22/07/2019 20:36:32    2214953

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Replying To BreffniGuide:  "Watching the Super 8s game today, we were very unfortunate. It looks like the clear top 4 teams in the country are Dublin, Kerry, Donegal & Tyrone - we played two of those teams to end our season.

Meath vs Mayo today was a very poor game and I'm not being optimistic when I say we could have beaten either of those two sides in Croker today."
I actually agree with you. I thought the same myself. This makes one wonder why we were so pathetic against Tyrone. I think both Meath and Mayo would have had a right go at Tyrone. True they may have been beaten but Cavan for some reason didn't want to know.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 22/07/2019 20:43:13    2214958

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "If you take time and read my post you will see I said I m struggling to put Cavan ahead of Waterford but you will read that I did so between yourself and Cavan_Slashed stop nit picking the post and the man that wrote it and try and be constructive for chirst sake to see if between us we can find a solution to improving Cavan's senior football set up. As it stands with all the money thats pumped into them it's a total disgrace."
If you think Waterford would get within 10 points of this Cavan team on any day of the week you have no business being on here talking about football. Som Div 4 teams would be beaten by a fair few club teams.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 23/07/2019 14:01:22    2215261

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I actually agree with you. I thought the same myself. This makes one wonder why we were so pathetic against Tyrone. I think both Meath and Mayo would have had a right go at Tyrone. True they may have been beaten but Cavan for some reason didn't want to know."
That's it in a nutshell.

It's incredibly frustrating to see the heart and passion shown in the first 3 games just go missing in the Tyrone game. (I don't think there was any lack of heart v Donegal - they simply destroyed us early and took the game from us before we got going at all).

Armagh, for example, recovered from their defeat to us by hammering Monaghan and then "dying with their boots on" against Mayo (McGeeney's words).
Despite us beating them, they can look back on their championship positively after playing to their potential in just about every game. Meath will be able to do the same.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 23/07/2019 14:31:24    2215282

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Sit down some day you have nothing to do and watch down v Derry in 94 and Meath v down in 91 on YouTube. You will see it all there. Speed , skill , tough knows and great scores . And come back and tell me today's football is better ."
Those games in 90's were good. My comment didn't mention the 90's

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 23/07/2019 16:53:25    2215342

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Replying To fredflint:  "If you think Waterford would get within 10 points of this Cavan team on any day of the week you have no business being on here talking about football. Som Div 4 teams would be beaten by a fair few club teams."
You can say what you like fredflint and off course I agree with you about the score difference but only ten points??? My assumption is based on Cavan's last two performances and many on here will agree there is something wrong in the camp because they did not want to play for one reason or another. You cannot deny that they did not perform anywhere near what people had blown them up on this forum to be.

I would love to see Cavan play some sort of football that we genuine supporters could buy into but as it stands Cavan are performing at a very low level.

I suppose come next February and Cavan start showing some improvement one can say things are settling ?. As it stands Cavan will find it very difficult to make any drive towards division 1 it should not be about consolidating our position in the division. Nothing less than promotion I expect but will it happen I don't think so with the attitude right now. After the Ulster final anyone with interest in the county will have been deflated by some of their behavior and it was an eye opener for me knowing there and then the year was over sadly.

I hope they prove me wrong but if the management don't get rid of quiet a lot of players currently on the panel Cavan will be in trouble for a long time. Maybe all the blame should not be put on the players for management have to take some of the blame as well.

Just so I am reading your post correct are you saying club teams in Cavan would beat Division 4 teams in the national league may I ask what Cavan club teams and the division 4 teams please.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 23/07/2019 17:29:41    2215362

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Replying To StirringIt:  "Those games in 90's were good. My comment didn't mention the 90's"
In my opinion 28 years ago football was better. Tougher but fair. More skilfull , more open , better quality kickers, forwards, tacklers than in football today. And more importantly it was more exciting to watch

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 23/07/2019 17:36:07    2215365

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "In my opinion 28 years ago football was better. Tougher but fair. More skilfull , more open , better quality kickers, forwards, tacklers than in football today. And more importantly it was more exciting to watch"
I'm not sure to be honest. The only games I watched were my own club games, my own county games and a handful of games in the all-ireland series. There are a hell of a lot more games on TV now that in years gone by would only have been seen by those in attendance. I have watched some games back on youtube etc and to be honest they could be hit and miss (and those are the creme de la creme).
The quality on display in Sunday's Kerry v Donegal game was phenonimal. Don't get me wrong , there were some fantastic individual players in the 80s and 90s but overall the way the game was played left a lot to be desired.
But players of the calibre of Derek and Brian McDonnel, Ray Cullivan,Jim Reilly, to name but a few would excel in any era.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 23/07/2019 20:22:35    2215428

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I'm not sure to be honest. The only games I watched were my own club games, my own county games and a handful of games in the all-ireland series. There are a hell of a lot more games on TV now that in years gone by would only have been seen by those in attendance. I have watched some games back on youtube etc and to be honest they could be hit and miss (and those are the creme de la creme).
The quality on display in Sunday's Kerry v Donegal game was phenonimal. Don't get me wrong , there were some fantastic individual players in the 80s and 90s but overall the way the game was played left a lot to be desired.
But players of the calibre of Derek and Brian McDonnel, Ray Cullivan,Jim Reilly, to name but a few would excel in any era."
Football in the 70s was utter crap, lads throwing the ball into goals. Watch any all Ireland from those days and youd hardly stick it to the end.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 23/07/2019 22:59:10    2215508

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