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Replying To oldsam_newsam:  "Some good points there.

I think we also need a consistent free taker and have options from both sides. The missed frees had a real destabilising affect on the team and contributed to a lack of confidence and panic shooting."
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bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1113 - 28/06/2019 11:14:06    2202032

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To beat Dublin will take years and many matchs between us and them for us to suceed. For Meath or kildare to beat Dublin it will take years and games. Last Sunday hopefully will be our first attempt of 3 or 4 to take down Dublin. Everytime Meath play Dublin I will always feel we can put it up to them. But that is because I was brought up in a generation where Meath teams were stronger and better then Dublin. The fact is if Meath play Dublin next year we wouldnt win and if we play them in 2021 we wouldnt beat them but hopefully the gap will close and by 2022 2023 or 2024 we will beat Dublin then . Its a 3 or 4 games v Dublin in 3 or 4 or 5 years thats how it will happen.

I said on this forum 2 years ago that we wud win leinster in 2022 or 2023 I still believe that is a credible claim. It take years for a team to take down Dublin in leinster. Its took Sean Boylan Mick Dwyer and Eugene McGee years and many games to beat Dublin. And they are the three most sucessful managers in history of leinster football outside Dublin.

1 It took Sean Boylan 4 years in charge before he defeated Dublin. It was not til Seans 4th game v Dublin that Meath beat Dublin.

2 It took Eugene McGee 4 years in charge before he defeated Dublin. It was not til Eugenes 4th game v Dublin that Offaly beat Dublin.

3 It took Mick Dwyer 5 years in charge before he defeated Dublin with kildare. It was not til Mickos 5 game v Dublin that Kildare beat Dublin.

So it takes 3 or 4 or 5 games in four to five years to take down Dublin. And certain things need to happen in those games. The gap needs to close in each of the games.

Game 1 u get hammered. In Offalys first game v Dublin under Eugene McGee Offaly suffered a big defeat. Meath and kildare both had massive defests v Dublin this year. That is a learning experience. Both counties need to play Dublin regularly in championship in the next few years and the gap must become closer

Game 2 the gap should close. In 1978 in second game v Dublin the gap closer for Offaly. Under Dwyer in 1993 kildare were closing the gap between Dublin.

Game 3 . The hard luck story where u fail to get over the line. In 1984 Meath came close to beat Dublin but failed to get over the line. In 1979 the same for Offaly very close but fail to get over the line.

Game 4 . After years of bad defeats a teams get over the line v Dublin. In Dwyers 5th game , Eugene McGees 4th game in Sean Boylan 4th game they all suceed to beat Dublin. It will the same for Andy McEntee.

But next time we play. Dublin, and kildare also. We both must have an improved performance v Dublin. In that instead of losing by 15 or 16 points instead loseby 9 or 8 or 7 points. Or be in.the game well into second half. If Dublin are still hammering Meath and kildare in our next game that is not a good sign. We need to see an improvement in the next game v play Dublin. In the third game the gap should be much closer. Like Offaly in 1979 or Meath in 84 or kildare in 93. Then in the 4th game victory can be achieved. What we saw on Sunday was part of the course v the Dubs. It will take another 3 championship games over a 3 or 4 year period to beat Dublin. Its a steep learning process v Dublin. The more u play them.the more u learn about how to beat them. It takes years of hammerings close misses before u get over the line. But we do need to see some sort of improvement in the next championship game. Our game v Dublin in next years league will be important. If we could get them to play them in Navan I think we could be much more competitive v Dubs. The more we play them the better we should learn how to beat them.

Ask any of the older generation what they think of this current Meath team they will say the same thing. Meath are 3 or 4 players short. They r right. Defensivly we have the players. We have a better defence then some teams in division 1. Players like Keoghan McGill Lavin Gallagher Ryan Kane Harnan can form a good defence for next 2 to 3 years. Average age 24 25 so they should peak in next 2 to 3 years.

Its in the forwards we need reinforcements. Players like T Reilly , Dardis , Conlon Devine and Campion will continue to improve. All are players with potential. But we do need more options upfront. Another midfielder is another area we need. Players like Ronan Jones, Cian McBride and even another look at Harry Rooney are all.options here but we need out and out midfielder with Menton at centre field.

With kildare out of under 20 leinster there is a great chance of provicial tiltle win. We need a win at this age group now. I heard Sean Boylan is a selector on under 20 team this year. I dont know if it is true but if it is , well done Callaghan a great move to bring in Sean. Having the great man involved is very smart move. Sean was selector on Sigerson winning team recently, to have Sean involved in selection and motivation could be the difference in winning or losing an under 20 leinster titleAnd we should be winning this title. For me under 20 leinster championship is more important then minor or senior this year. Its the big one this year.

Regards the story with journalist is a non story. Andy tells a journalist to feck off. Big deal. In rural Ireland when someone says I will knock the head of ye. We all know they dont mean it literally. Its more colourful way of saying feck off. Its a non story. Yes Andy shouldn't have said it. But I doubt many managers have not had words with local journalist over the years and the local paper decided it wasnt in the counties interest in not printing the story. Its a non story . Which the national media luvs the story. Meath man says he will knock the head of a journalist. Of course the national media or sud I say Dublin media are going to lap this up.

Yes Andy needs to be careful. We know from past experiences when u get a name in the gaa it sticks and the gaa will punish u in the long term. But McEntee is all about the passion. And there is no doubt slowly but surely he is reigniting a passion in Meath football. And in the next 2 to 3 years as we have more talent coming through Andy is the best option to bring them and our county forward. He is our only option. There is no other quality inter county managers in Meath currently. We would have to appoint another Mick O Dowd inexperienced manager again.

The main thing is the qualifier game, everything comes down to that. Reaching super 8 u wud be a worry , wud we face the same issues as Roscommon faced last year. 3 bad hammerings for Roscommon at super 8 level and kildares hammering v kerry at super 8 level for me effected their league campaign. But seen how Roscommon bounced back v Mayo Galway. Playing super 8 last year actually brought Roscommon on. Even though they had bad beatings playing division 1 teams regularly in the summer was a great learning experience for them and the more u play div 1 teams the better. For our young players playing super 8 would be a great reheresal for div 1 football next year. As long as the fans realise their is potential for some bad defeats and it is a learning process. Next years league is the most important league campaign for our seniors in 13 years.

If we reach super 8 we wud have Galway or qualifier in Croker in our second game. And Donegal in Ballybofey in our first game and kerry in Navan in our third game. If we get through and Galway get through we r capable of beating Galway in Croker. Our recent record v Galway is excellent. Donegal in Ballybofey will be tough, but in 3 games v Donegal in last 2 years we went toe to toe with them and could have won all 3 games. But kerry in Navan is mouthwatering. If we played kerry in Croker or killarney we could be beaten by double figures. But in Navan we are hard to beat in Navan. Imagine if we beat Galway and the results go our way there is a possibility we could be playing kerry in Navan in July and we beat them we could be in All Ireland semi final. Now that is a long long long way off. But super 8 campaign could be what we need after leinster final performance.

But first we need to win our qualifier game and yes the odds are stacked against. 85% of teams which lose provicial finals or leinster finals lose their next game. Its ten years since a leinster team lost a final and won theyre next game. And the 4 times its happened it was v teams in the lower divisions. Anytime a team has lost leinster final they have been beaten v strong division 1 opposition afterwards. So the odds are stacked against us. And there is a worry how leinster final 0 - 4 will efect us mentally .Maybe it wouldnt there is evidence it wouldnt.

2017 Meath suffered demoralising defeat to kildare in leinster championship. They followed this up with best performance of the year v Donegal ( I know we played Sligo beforehand Donegal game was straight after.
2018 Meath suffered demoralising defeat to longford in leinster championship. They followed this up with best performance of the year v Tyrone.

So in last two years after we were knocked out of leinster after bad defeats we responded with our best performance of the season. There was an old fashion backlash afterwards. Hopefully we see the same next Saturday.

If we play poorly all the teams could beat us. But we could beat all them also. Clare would be best draw. Even though they r ticky opposition. If we play poorly we lose. But Clare would be best draw. kildare and Westmeath would be tough game. Local derbys winnner take all. Westmeath have had a good season and kildare would love to beat us after the league victory for Meath v kildare. And they would love to beat us full stop. Tyrone would be a tough draw. We have been knocked out of championship 5 years in a row v Ulster opposition. And we have been knocked out of championship 3 times in last 5 years by Tyrone. All games we could have won. We played well in all 3 games but Tyrone got over the line. If it is Tyrone we should put it up them but until we actually beat we have doubts.

The worst draw cud be Armagh. We defeated them comprehensivly in the league. But they have improved since. that. McGeeney has a atrocious record in provicial championship but his record in qualifiers is excellent . They r flying. We can beat Armagh but I think that would be tough.

Mayo could be a good draw . They have allot of milleage on the clock. And v upcoming young teams like Roscommon and Armagh they have struggled. A draw v Mayo would focus the player mind. And we always feel we can beat Mayo. We are their bogey team in the championship anc they havent beaten us in the championship since 1951. Meath supporters and playere would be revved up to Mayo. A very tough draw but Meath when we play Mayo we always feel we can beat them. Maybe that is rubbish but that is how we feel that is good thing.

Anyway lets see how this plans out for the season is not over, but hopefully we will be playing best teams in country, kerry Galway and Donegal, it would be a great summer for supporters and the experience our players would gain wud be priceless.

Next day defence stays the same. If Harnan is fit play him on the 40. And Devine starting in the forwards could be option. If we do win and play in.super 8 Ruari O Coilean and Shane Walsh could get game time. We need addition to the forword line. Coileann and Walsh fit wud be great.

Regards options not on the team. Brian Conlon P Mckeever and H Rooney for me our the only players over 21 in the country who r involved could make difference. B Conlon is a prospect and has atleticism we lack. But he had a poor league campaign last year. And it hard to see which is his best position. I know he played in centre back for his club. But we are covered in this area with 3 center backs eg Keoghan Harnan and Ryan. His best position is wing back or wing forward. I would play him as wing forward . Mckeever along with Newman and lenihan are 3 best inside forwards in the county. He would be an option. But he is 28 now so his chance to play Meath now is slim.
Rooney I would try and get him back next year..Even as sub he could make an impact in last 20 mins. They are best options not on the panel.

Hopefully we can win against the odds next weekend. A Meath win would be Meaths most important victory in the championship in a decade.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 860 - 28/06/2019 17:17:35    2202143

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The game was a strange one. It showed brillance of this Dublin team. But there is also positives for Meath. Yes forwards had a meltdown but the backs did a good job. At least 4 Meath defenders were able for the talented Dubs forwards . Next spring in the league hopefully this will help Meath in divsion 1. Meath have good natural defenders like Keoghan, McGill, Lavin Gallagher, Ryan, Harnan and Kane. Galway, Donegal and Monaghan all stayed in div 1 with being strong at the back. Its a positive that Meaths progess this year is based on their defence.

Now we need young players like Conlon and Campion to keep developing; the return of Donal lenihan and Alan Forde and hopefully two or three forwards of our under 20 tean which is on paper is are strongest in years at around this age group. We need 2 or 3 quality forwards to emerge in next 2 to 3 seasons . The next two league campaigns in spring of 2020 and the spring of 2021 will be the defining moment in this Meath teams development and McEntees tenure as manager. If Meath have two successful league campaigns in 2020 and 2021 , it will be a massive massive turning point for Meath. Stay in div 1 in 2020 will be important. Staying again up in 2021 again would be massive. If we were relegated we still sud be still have a great chance of promotion again in 2021. So we sud be in div 1 for at least 2 of next 3 seasons even if we get relegated next year.

Players peaking in 2020 and 2021 , by coincidence the return of maybe 8 panel players next year eg Lenihan , Jones , Kennelly , O Coilean , Kane , Forde, Eamon and Joey Wallace. This will increase competition for panel places. And I could see 3 or 4 maybe norw players being called up from our under 20 team. And even players like Shane Walsh at 19 have been drafted into panel this week .

What happened last sunday is the beginning not the end for this Meath team. When we got hammered in 2014 it was our third leinster final in a row and the scores were getting worse eg 2012 3 points , 2013 7 points , 2014 16 points. We hopefully play Dublin a few more times in next few years. It was McEntee and these players first game v Dublin. Of the starting 15 only 3 played v Dublin in 2016.

It took Dwyer til his fifth game v Dublin to beat them and Eugene McGee and Sean Boylan defeated Dublin at their fourth attempt. It take years and many loses before u can beat Dublin. Sunday was the beginning of McEntee and this Meaths journey. When we play Dublin in 2020 or 2021 I will come out with the auld traditional guff we will beat Dublin. Thats because when I grew up I saw Meath teams annually beat Dublin. But the truth is Meath will not beat Dublin in 2020 if we meet or 2021. If will be another 3 or 4 years at least and another 3 or 4 games down the line before Meath can toe to toe with Dublin. Its the same for kildare. Both teams need a manager and group of players to commit the next 4 or 5 years to go to war with Dublin and hopefully both teams can end up leinster champions in the years 2023 or 2024 or 2025.

Maybe they wouldn't and fail like Meath did in mid 70s and kildare in early 70s. But the only way u can be sucessful in leinster and this is for Laois Westmeath louth Offaly every county. U need a group of players led by manager who will to commit at least a half decade of their life to dethtoning Dublin. Thats what Sean Boylan and his Meath teams did in mid 80s and mid 90s , thats what Mick Dwyer and his his kildare team did in late 90s and thats what Eugene McGee and his offaly team did in the early 80s. They are the three most sucessful managers in history leinster football outside Dublin.

Meath and kildare were both hammered v Dublin. That is start. They both need to learn from this experience and when they meet Dublin next theyre sud be an improvement. Instead of losing by 16 points they sud be losing by 9 or 8 or 7 points. And then in 2021 or 2022. A better performance v Dublin and then hopefully been able to go toe toe with a Dublin in 3 or 4 years time and 3 or 4 games down the line v Dublin. Thats the way you can be sucessful in leinster. Its a long process and there is no gurantee eitheir Meath or kildare or or laois or Offaly or whoever will do this. But Meath and kildare have begun this process this summer. The next game they meet Dublin they need a better performance. Thats what they need. Another hammering would be not a good sign. But the key for both teams is division 1 football , the longer u stay in divsion one the stronger u become that is football fact.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 860 - 29/06/2019 05:43:32    2202254

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Some good points about time needed etc.
ie taken Boylan 4 year and Mc Gee 4 years etc. But will Mc Entee be around in 3/4 years required to make that break through ? The lifetime of a manger these days are around 3 4 years if your getting results maybe 6 or so. Will Mc Entee get that many chances to beat Dublin ? Ok we will play them in league next year. But I doubt Mc Entee will be around 3 years from now, unless he getting results maybe he could be. Not that he will sacked or anything just the commitment required is too much. I would like him to stay but its hard know at this point.
I think your right there is positives to learned from last week. As the old saying goes you learn more from your defeats than your wins. Or you should. But that is only true if players and management learn and move on. I think its pretty clear Croke Park is no place for a player lacking in pace especially against Dublin. Brennan and Biggy where both caught for pace last week. The modern game is all about pace. So regardless is your a good player technically if you have no pace your toast as you come up against top class players like Mannion James Mc Carthy and Jack Mc Caffery etc. Mc Entee knows this I think pretty much all defenders have pace. But there is worries question marks in forward line with the guys I mentioned.
I still think it would great to get to super 8's even if we do get hammered it would be a learning curve rather than sleep walking into the league. I was positive going into the Dublin I have now reverted back to normal pessimistic self for the short term anyway. We have not recent history on winning tough chamioship games ie Kildare and Donegal 2017 Tyrone 2018 and throw in Donegal in the league final this year. But actually the Donegal result is looking like we did ok the way Donegal are going now. Even tough league and Championship are different things.
Lets see what the results are over the weekend, and what the draw brings Monday !!

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1113 - 29/06/2019 10:46:40    2202301

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "The game was a strange one. It showed brillance of this Dublin team. But there is also positives for Meath. Yes forwards had a meltdown but the backs did a good job. At least 4 Meath defenders were able for the talented Dubs forwards . Next spring in the league hopefully this will help Meath in divsion 1. Meath have good natural defenders like Keoghan, McGill, Lavin Gallagher, Ryan, Harnan and Kane. Galway, Donegal and Monaghan all stayed in div 1 with being strong at the back. Its a positive that Meaths progess this year is based on their defence.

Now we need young players like Conlon and Campion to keep developing; the return of Donal lenihan and Alan Forde and hopefully two or three forwards of our under 20 tean which is on paper is are strongest in years at around this age group. We need 2 or 3 quality forwards to emerge in next 2 to 3 seasons . The next two league campaigns in spring of 2020 and the spring of 2021 will be the defining moment in this Meath teams development and McEntees tenure as manager. If Meath have two successful league campaigns in 2020 and 2021 , it will be a massive massive turning point for Meath. Stay in div 1 in 2020 will be important. Staying again up in 2021 again would be massive. If we were relegated we still sud be still have a great chance of promotion again in 2021. So we sud be in div 1 for at least 2 of next 3 seasons even if we get relegated next year.

Players peaking in 2020 and 2021 , by coincidence the return of maybe 8 panel players next year eg Lenihan , Jones , Kennelly , O Coilean , Kane , Forde, Eamon and Joey Wallace. This will increase competition for panel places. And I could see 3 or 4 maybe norw players being called up from our under 20 team. And even players like Shane Walsh at 19 have been drafted into panel this week .

What happened last sunday is the beginning not the end for this Meath team. When we got hammered in 2014 it was our third leinster final in a row and the scores were getting worse eg 2012 3 points , 2013 7 points , 2014 16 points. We hopefully play Dublin a few more times in next few years. It was McEntee and these players first game v Dublin. Of the starting 15 only 3 played v Dublin in 2016.

It took Dwyer til his fifth game v Dublin to beat them and Eugene McGee and Sean Boylan defeated Dublin at their fourth attempt. It take years and many loses before u can beat Dublin. Sunday was the beginning of McEntee and this Meaths journey. When we play Dublin in 2020 or 2021 I will come out with the auld traditional guff we will beat Dublin. Thats because when I grew up I saw Meath teams annually beat Dublin. But the truth is Meath will not beat Dublin in 2020 if we meet or 2021. If will be another 3 or 4 years at least and another 3 or 4 games down the line before Meath can toe to toe with Dublin. Its the same for kildare. Both teams need a manager and group of players to commit the next 4 or 5 years to go to war with Dublin and hopefully both teams can end up leinster champions in the years 2023 or 2024 or 2025.

Maybe they wouldn't and fail like Meath did in mid 70s and kildare in early 70s. But the only way u can be sucessful in leinster and this is for Laois Westmeath louth Offaly every county. U need a group of players led by manager who will to commit at least a half decade of their life to dethtoning Dublin. Thats what Sean Boylan and his Meath teams did in mid 80s and mid 90s , thats what Mick Dwyer and his his kildare team did in late 90s and thats what Eugene McGee and his offaly team did in the early 80s. They are the three most sucessful managers in history leinster football outside Dublin.

Meath and kildare were both hammered v Dublin. That is start. They both need to learn from this experience and when they meet Dublin next theyre sud be an improvement. Instead of losing by 16 points they sud be losing by 9 or 8 or 7 points. And then in 2021 or 2022. A better performance v Dublin and then hopefully been able to go toe toe with a Dublin in 3 or 4 years time and 3 or 4 games down the line v Dublin. Thats the way you can be sucessful in leinster. Its a long process and there is no gurantee eitheir Meath or kildare or or laois or Offaly or whoever will do this. But Meath and kildare have begun this process this summer. The next game they meet Dublin they need a better performance. Thats what they need. Another hammering would be not a good sign. But the key for both teams is division 1 football , the longer u stay in divsion one the stronger u become that is football fact."
Your overarching point is the point about continued exposure. The idea that if Meath or Kildare or any team can stay competitive in Division 1, and get more games against the best teams, it will bring on their respective panels. On paper it makes perfect sense but like a lot of your ideology it's based on your traditionalist rose-tinted perspective. Saying that Meath could potentially beat Dublin in 2023 if certain players re-emerge on the panel, and if certain players are brought in from underage, and if we can stay perennially in Division 1, and if McEntee can stay on in the job adds up to just a lot of "ifs" and "buts" and ultimately barstool conjecture man. A lot of nice talk and yes, many of those possibilities could help us along. Im coming more toward the colder ideology of the game being broken, quite simply. The organisation has destroyed the traditionalist standpoint and realistically I only see a widening gap between Dublin and everyone else. Unless there are changes to knockout championship football I just don't see any real competition anymore. Its a race for the silver medal at the moment and it saddens me. I think what your writing above would be radical and very intelligent if it was read by someone in 2003 or 2004.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 184 - 29/06/2019 13:03:25    2202335

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Replying To Young_gael:  "Your overarching point is the point about continued exposure. The idea that if Meath or Kildare or any team can stay competitive in Division 1, and get more games against the best teams, it will bring on their respective panels. On paper it makes perfect sense but like a lot of your ideology it's based on your traditionalist rose-tinted perspective. Saying that Meath could potentially beat Dublin in 2023 if certain players re-emerge on the panel, and if certain players are brought in from underage, and if we can stay perennially in Division 1, and if McEntee can stay on in the job adds up to just a lot of "ifs" and "buts" and ultimately barstool conjecture man. A lot of nice talk and yes, many of those possibilities could help us along. Im coming more toward the colder ideology of the game being broken, quite simply. The organisation has destroyed the traditionalist standpoint and realistically I only see a widening gap between Dublin and everyone else. Unless there are changes to knockout championship football I just don't see any real competition anymore. Its a race for the silver medal at the moment and it saddens me. I think what your writing above would be radical and very intelligent if it was read by someone in 2003 or 2004."
Thanks for your responses Bobkarlgees and Young_Gael. They are always intelligent thought provoking comments that always give me food for thought.

Bobkarlgees regards managers not staying long in jobs that is correct we do see allot of managers coming and going. But there is examples of long term managers . Firstly u have sucessful ones eg O Rourke at Monaghan. Then u have managers trying to build up a traditional county in the doldrums. Kevin Walsh and Cian O Neill are in their 4th years and McGeeney is in his 5th or 6th year in.charge of Armagh. When u build a traditional county from the doldrums it takes years and years of ups and downs bad defeats it is not a quick fix, it is slow long term process. No manager in the history of hurling or football has turned a traditional county around from the doldrums overnight eg Jimmy Barry Murphy, Nicholas English , Sean Boylan and Eugene McGee Mick Dwyer all.took years. The only manager to do it overnight was Kevin Heffernan in 1974 with Dublin but Heffernan had a touch of genius.

For me when McEntee took the job it was a 5 or 6 or 7 year job to get Meath back and I have seen nothing yet to say any different. I am very historical driven but my general theory is life keeps repeating itself. Times changes technology advances but human needs and emotions are constant. History just keeps repeating itself. Trump is just another ruder cruder version of Reagan. Man Utd are just repeating the same things that happened after Matt Busby left in late 60s as they are now with Ferguson leaving. The faces change but history repeats itself. Its not exact and not a science but I do think u can get answers from the past.

I am very repetitive very past driven and very consistent. What I wrote above in my earlier message u responded to, I said that 2 years ago on this forum and I have said it upteen times since. I said 2 years ago on this forum that McEntees first two years were going to be a write off and we would see improvement in year 3 and Meath would make impact in year 4 and 5 . I said at the start of this year we would get promoted get leinster final but fail to reach super 8 losing to Ulster team like Tyrone. I feel today we have great chance of staying in div 1 next year and if we get 4 home games anc I think we will and we will reach super 8 next year and make a good impact at super 8 next year. Again this all based on age profile of players , McEntee staying in the job. For me we r on target but it will take years.

If McEntee leaves I think we r in trouble. There is no obvious quality candidate in the county. We would be looking at another Mick O Dowd inexperienced manager with less sucessful CV..McEntee is the best qualified manager available to us and his stock is rising outside the county. On Off the ball a few weeks ago they were talking about manager of the year leaving Jim Galvin to one side , they said if McEntee gets Meath to super 8 after promotion to div 2 he would be there manager of the year. Of course Anthony Cunningham would be better candidate now but it does show how people view what McEntee is doing in Meath. He is no Sean Boylan. But he our best option and truthfully our only option. He is building something at Meath and for me he will be only half way through the job at end of the season.

The key is division 1 football. Nearly every year the last 8 are nearly all division 1 teams. Only 1 team in this decade has reached All Ireland final and were outside division 1 eg Donegal 2014. Mayo have reached 8 All Ireland finals in last 23 years , they have spent every one of those years in div 1. Monaghan have been top 6 team since 2014 they have spent every year in div 1. Donegal have won 1 All Ireland and 5 Ulster in this decade. They have spent nearly every year in div 1. If u stay in div 1 for a few seasons it is a certainty u will become a top 8 team. Division 1 is essential to sucess.

Since Boylan left I have being very pessimistic the managers I felt their CVs were not great. Coyler was the only manager I felt had potential and in 2008 I was really hopeful but that year became a nightmare for Meath and Coyle. At the start of 2010 and 2014 I was optimistic but every other year and every other manager since Boylan left I had little faith in. But when McEntee came in I felt had the CV and I felt optimistic. I still am. I still feel we r on target.

Regards the system is broken. I would say the system the championship has been broken for generations. But I am in the minority I believe Dublin dominance will soon end. Yes they have gone up a level. And will remain very strong but I believe like kilkenny in next few years there will be change.

Every county that had their greatest team the following decade there was a steep decline in counties fortunes. Cavan had greatest team in 40s and 50s the following decade a decline. kildare had their greatest team in 1920s the following decade deline..Mayo had their greatest team in 1950s the following decade decline. Cork hurlers had their greatest hurling team in 1940s and 1950s following decade decline. Tippearey hurlers had their greatest team in 1960s the following decade decline. Offaly had their greatest football team from 1972 to 1982 the following decade decline. Dublin had their greatest team from 1974 to 1985 ( up to the current team )the following decade decline. Down had their greatest team in 1960s the following decade decline. Meath had greatest team in 1980s 1990s following decade decline. kerry had their greatest team in 1970s and 1980s the following decade decline. Kilkenny had their greatest team in 00s the following decade they declined. Dublin have their greatest team in this decade , the following decade ????.

Time will tell. But when two teams dominated like Dublin their counties fortune declined and in the following era or decade an era of competitiveness was ushered in .

Between 1974 to 1986 Dublin and kerry won 12 of 13 All Irelands, Kerry won 8 and there was 2 contenders for Sam every year. Ten years after kerry won Sam in 1986 there was now yearly 8 or 9 contenders for Sam..And 8 teams won Sam in 10 years in the following ten years between 1990 and 2000.

In the 00s kilkenny dominated hurling at unprecedented levels. In 2009 there was 2 All Ireland contenders. Ten years later we have 8 or 9 All Ireland contenders. If u said in 2009 that ten years that kilkenny wouldnt be in top 3 or 4 All-Ireland contenders and Clare Galway and limerick would win liam in the following decade people would have laughed at u. An era of uncompetitveness is followed by an era of competitiveness. look at kerry with minor wins theyre is a All Ireland winning kerry team on horizon. Donegal have an All Ireland win in the current team. Galway Cork Tyrone Mayo are all counties u can see pushing for Sam in next ten years. kildare and Meath have got their act togther at underage and minor and under 20 leinster championship is very competitive.

Ask anyone who is involved at underage in Dublin they will tell u Dublin are not producing the talent they were 5 years ago. If this continues it will effect Dublin at senior level in the long term. Yes there is 2 to 3 more All-Irelands in this Dublin team but as the next decade progresses and alot of these Dublin greats retire eg Cluxton, Mcarthy, Sullivan , McMahon etc it should impact. My feeling is in the years 2024 , 2025 , 2026 , 2027 , 2028 , 2029 we will see a very competitive championship with allot of contenders. I could be wrong but anytime a team has dominated the following era is always very different. Time will tell.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 860 - 29/06/2019 18:22:16    2202441

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Thanks for your responses Bobkarlgees and Young_Gael. They are always intelligent thought provoking comments that always give me food for thought.

Bobkarlgees regards managers not staying long in jobs that is correct we do see allot of managers coming and going. But there is examples of long term managers . Firstly u have sucessful ones eg O Rourke at Monaghan. Then u have managers trying to build up a traditional county in the doldrums. Kevin Walsh and Cian O Neill are in their 4th years and McGeeney is in his 5th or 6th year in.charge of Armagh. When u build a traditional county from the doldrums it takes years and years of ups and downs bad defeats it is not a quick fix, it is slow long term process. No manager in the history of hurling or football has turned a traditional county around from the doldrums overnight eg Jimmy Barry Murphy, Nicholas English , Sean Boylan and Eugene McGee Mick Dwyer all.took years. The only manager to do it overnight was Kevin Heffernan in 1974 with Dublin but Heffernan had a touch of genius.

For me when McEntee took the job it was a 5 or 6 or 7 year job to get Meath back and I have seen nothing yet to say any different. I am very historical driven but my general theory is life keeps repeating itself. Times changes technology advances but human needs and emotions are constant. History just keeps repeating itself. Trump is just another ruder cruder version of Reagan. Man Utd are just repeating the same things that happened after Matt Busby left in late 60s as they are now with Ferguson leaving. The faces change but history repeats itself. Its not exact and not a science but I do think u can get answers from the past.

I am very repetitive very past driven and very consistent. What I wrote above in my earlier message u responded to, I said that 2 years ago on this forum and I have said it upteen times since. I said 2 years ago on this forum that McEntees first two years were going to be a write off and we would see improvement in year 3 and Meath would make impact in year 4 and 5 . I said at the start of this year we would get promoted get leinster final but fail to reach super 8 losing to Ulster team like Tyrone. I feel today we have great chance of staying in div 1 next year and if we get 4 home games anc I think we will and we will reach super 8 next year and make a good impact at super 8 next year. Again this all based on age profile of players , McEntee staying in the job. For me we r on target but it will take years.

If McEntee leaves I think we r in trouble. There is no obvious quality candidate in the county. We would be looking at another Mick O Dowd inexperienced manager with less sucessful CV..McEntee is the best qualified manager available to us and his stock is rising outside the county. On Off the ball a few weeks ago they were talking about manager of the year leaving Jim Galvin to one side , they said if McEntee gets Meath to super 8 after promotion to div 2 he would be there manager of the year. Of course Anthony Cunningham would be better candidate now but it does show how people view what McEntee is doing in Meath. He is no Sean Boylan. But he our best option and truthfully our only option. He is building something at Meath and for me he will be only half way through the job at end of the season.

The key is division 1 football. Nearly every year the last 8 are nearly all division 1 teams. Only 1 team in this decade has reached All Ireland final and were outside division 1 eg Donegal 2014. Mayo have reached 8 All Ireland finals in last 23 years , they have spent every one of those years in div 1. Monaghan have been top 6 team since 2014 they have spent every year in div 1. Donegal have won 1 All Ireland and 5 Ulster in this decade. They have spent nearly every year in div 1. If u stay in div 1 for a few seasons it is a certainty u will become a top 8 team. Division 1 is essential to sucess.

Since Boylan left I have being very pessimistic the managers I felt their CVs were not great. Coyler was the only manager I felt had potential and in 2008 I was really hopeful but that year became a nightmare for Meath and Coyle. At the start of 2010 and 2014 I was optimistic but every other year and every other manager since Boylan left I had little faith in. But when McEntee came in I felt had the CV and I felt optimistic. I still am. I still feel we r on target.

Regards the system is broken. I would say the system the championship has been broken for generations. But I am in the minority I believe Dublin dominance will soon end. Yes they have gone up a level. And will remain very strong but I believe like kilkenny in next few years there will be change.

Every county that had their greatest team the following decade there was a steep decline in counties fortunes. Cavan had greatest team in 40s and 50s the following decade a decline. kildare had their greatest team in 1920s the following decade deline..Mayo had their greatest team in 1950s the following decade decline. Cork hurlers had their greatest hurling team in 1940s and 1950s following decade decline. Tippearey hurlers had their greatest team in 1960s the following decade decline. Offaly had their greatest football team from 1972 to 1982 the following decade decline. Dublin had their greatest team from 1974 to 1985 ( up to the current team )the following decade decline. Down had their greatest team in 1960s the following decade decline. Meath had greatest team in 1980s 1990s following decade decline. kerry had their greatest team in 1970s and 1980s the following decade decline. Kilkenny had their greatest team in 00s the following decade they declined. Dublin have their greatest team in this decade , the following decade ????.

Time will tell. But when two teams dominated like Dublin their counties fortune declined and in the following era or decade an era of competitiveness was ushered in .

Between 1974 to 1986 Dublin and kerry won 12 of 13 All Irelands, Kerry won 8 and there was 2 contenders for Sam every year. Ten years after kerry won Sam in 1986 there was now yearly 8 or 9 contenders for Sam..And 8 teams won Sam in 10 years in the following ten years between 1990 and 2000.

In the 00s kilkenny dominated hurling at unprecedented levels. In 2009 there was 2 All Ireland contenders. Ten years later we have 8 or 9 All Ireland contenders. If u said in 2009 that ten years that kilkenny wouldnt be in top 3 or 4 All-Ireland contenders and Clare Galway and limerick would win liam in the following decade people would have laughed at u. An era of uncompetitveness is followed by an era of competitiveness. look at kerry with minor wins theyre is a All Ireland winning kerry team on horizon. Donegal have an All Ireland win in the current team. Galway Cork Tyrone Mayo are all counties u can see pushing for Sam in next ten years. kildare and Meath have got their act togther at underage and minor and under 20 leinster championship is very competitive.

Ask anyone who is involved at underage in Dublin they will tell u Dublin are not producing the talent they were 5 years ago. If this continues it will effect Dublin at senior level in the long term. Yes there is 2 to 3 more All-Irelands in this Dublin team but as the next decade progresses and alot of these Dublin greats retire eg Cluxton, Mcarthy, Sullivan , McMahon etc it should impact. My feeling is in the years 2024 , 2025 , 2026 , 2027 , 2028 , 2029 we will see a very competitive championship with allot of contenders. I could be wrong but anytime a team has dominated the following era is always very different. Time will tell."
Kilmacud crokes just won the All Ireland feile division 1. Plenty of talent there. We are not closing the gap

Jackpot (Meath) - Posts: 110 - 01/07/2019 22:30:39    2204029

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Replying To Jackpot:  "Kilmacud crokes just won the All Ireland feile division 1. Plenty of talent there. We are not closing the gap"
We are

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 364 - 02/07/2019 13:58:13    2204307

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Thanks for your responses Bobkarlgees and Young_Gael. They are always intelligent thought provoking comments that always give me food for thought.

Bobkarlgees regards managers not staying long in jobs that is correct we do see allot of managers coming and going. But there is examples of long term managers . Firstly u have sucessful ones eg O Rourke at Monaghan. Then u have managers trying to build up a traditional county in the doldrums. Kevin Walsh and Cian O Neill are in their 4th years and McGeeney is in his 5th or 6th year in.charge of Armagh. When u build a traditional county from the doldrums it takes years and years of ups and downs bad defeats it is not a quick fix, it is slow long term process. No manager in the history of hurling or football has turned a traditional county around from the doldrums overnight eg Jimmy Barry Murphy, Nicholas English , Sean Boylan and Eugene McGee Mick Dwyer all.took years. The only manager to do it overnight was Kevin Heffernan in 1974 with Dublin but Heffernan had a touch of genius.

For me when McEntee took the job it was a 5 or 6 or 7 year job to get Meath back and I have seen nothing yet to say any different. I am very historical driven but my general theory is life keeps repeating itself. Times changes technology advances but human needs and emotions are constant. History just keeps repeating itself. Trump is just another ruder cruder version of Reagan. Man Utd are just repeating the same things that happened after Matt Busby left in late 60s as they are now with Ferguson leaving. The faces change but history repeats itself. Its not exact and not a science but I do think u can get answers from the past.

I am very repetitive very past driven and very consistent. What I wrote above in my earlier message u responded to, I said that 2 years ago on this forum and I have said it upteen times since. I said 2 years ago on this forum that McEntees first two years were going to be a write off and we would see improvement in year 3 and Meath would make impact in year 4 and 5 . I said at the start of this year we would get promoted get leinster final but fail to reach super 8 losing to Ulster team like Tyrone. I feel today we have great chance of staying in div 1 next year and if we get 4 home games anc I think we will and we will reach super 8 next year and make a good impact at super 8 next year. Again this all based on age profile of players , McEntee staying in the job. For me we r on target but it will take years.

If McEntee leaves I think we r in trouble. There is no obvious quality candidate in the county. We would be looking at another Mick O Dowd inexperienced manager with less sucessful CV..McEntee is the best qualified manager available to us and his stock is rising outside the county. On Off the ball a few weeks ago they were talking about manager of the year leaving Jim Galvin to one side , they said if McEntee gets Meath to super 8 after promotion to div 2 he would be there manager of the year. Of course Anthony Cunningham would be better candidate now but it does show how people view what McEntee is doing in Meath. He is no Sean Boylan. But he our best option and truthfully our only option. He is building something at Meath and for me he will be only half way through the job at end of the season.

The key is division 1 football. Nearly every year the last 8 are nearly all division 1 teams. Only 1 team in this decade has reached All Ireland final and were outside division 1 eg Donegal 2014. Mayo have reached 8 All Ireland finals in last 23 years , they have spent every one of those years in div 1. Monaghan have been top 6 team since 2014 they have spent every year in div 1. Donegal have won 1 All Ireland and 5 Ulster in this decade. They have spent nearly every year in div 1. If u stay in div 1 for a few seasons it is a certainty u will become a top 8 team. Division 1 is essential to sucess.

Since Boylan left I have being very pessimistic the managers I felt their CVs were not great. Coyler was the only manager I felt had potential and in 2008 I was really hopeful but that year became a nightmare for Meath and Coyle. At the start of 2010 and 2014 I was optimistic but every other year and every other manager since Boylan left I had little faith in. But when McEntee came in I felt had the CV and I felt optimistic. I still am. I still feel we r on target.

Regards the system is broken. I would say the system the championship has been broken for generations. But I am in the minority I believe Dublin dominance will soon end. Yes they have gone up a level. And will remain very strong but I believe like kilkenny in next few years there will be change.

Every county that had their greatest team the following decade there was a steep decline in counties fortunes. Cavan had greatest team in 40s and 50s the following decade a decline. kildare had their greatest team in 1920s the following decade deline..Mayo had their greatest team in 1950s the following decade decline. Cork hurlers had their greatest hurling team in 1940s and 1950s following decade decline. Tippearey hurlers had their greatest team in 1960s the following decade decline. Offaly had their greatest football team from 1972 to 1982 the following decade decline. Dublin had their greatest team from 1974 to 1985 ( up to the current team )the following decade decline. Down had their greatest team in 1960s the following decade decline. Meath had greatest team in 1980s 1990s following decade decline. kerry had their greatest team in 1970s and 1980s the following decade decline. Kilkenny had their greatest team in 00s the following decade they declined. Dublin have their greatest team in this decade , the following decade ????.

Time will tell. But when two teams dominated like Dublin their counties fortune declined and in the following era or decade an era of competitiveness was ushered in .

Between 1974 to 1986 Dublin and kerry won 12 of 13 All Irelands, Kerry won 8 and there was 2 contenders for Sam every year. Ten years after kerry won Sam in 1986 there was now yearly 8 or 9 contenders for Sam..And 8 teams won Sam in 10 years in the following ten years between 1990 and 2000.

In the 00s kilkenny dominated hurling at unprecedented levels. In 2009 there was 2 All Ireland contenders. Ten years later we have 8 or 9 All Ireland contenders. If u said in 2009 that ten years that kilkenny wouldnt be in top 3 or 4 All-Ireland contenders and Clare Galway and limerick would win liam in the following decade people would have laughed at u. An era of uncompetitveness is followed by an era of competitiveness. look at kerry with minor wins theyre is a All Ireland winning kerry team on horizon. Donegal have an All Ireland win in the current team. Galway Cork Tyrone Mayo are all counties u can see pushing for Sam in next ten years. kildare and Meath have got their act togther at underage and minor and under 20 leinster championship is very competitive.

Ask anyone who is involved at underage in Dublin they will tell u Dublin are not producing the talent they were 5 years ago. If this continues it will effect Dublin at senior level in the long term. Yes there is 2 to 3 more All-Irelands in this Dublin team but as the next decade progresses and alot of these Dublin greats retire eg Cluxton, Mcarthy, Sullivan , McMahon etc it should impact. My feeling is in the years 2024 , 2025 , 2026 , 2027 , 2028 , 2029 we will see a very competitive championship with allot of contenders. I could be wrong but anytime a team has dominated the following era is always very different. Time will tell."
Tonight, Dublin U20s 4.21 Longford 0.7. Not producing the talent anymore? There are thousands of young lads coming through the underage system in Dublin every year do you really believe they will not find a few each year to keep conveyer belt going? None of the teams you mention had the resources (both financial and numerical) at their disposal to maintain the standard they set, Dublin have a system in place to smooth out these ups and downs. The more successful they are the more young lads are attracted to play GAA, the more sponsoship they attract and so it goes on and on. Good luck with 24-29.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1257 - 02/07/2019 21:25:20    2204580

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Thanks for your responses Bobkarlgees and Young_Gael. They are always intelligent thought provoking comments that always give me food for thought.

Bobkarlgees regards managers not staying long in jobs that is correct we do see allot of managers coming and going. But there is examples of long term managers . Firstly u have sucessful ones eg O Rourke at Monaghan. Then u have managers trying to build up a traditional county in the doldrums. Kevin Walsh and Cian O Neill are in their 4th years and McGeeney is in his 5th or 6th year in.charge of Armagh. When u build a traditional county from the doldrums it takes years and years of ups and downs bad defeats it is not a quick fix, it is slow long term process. No manager in the history of hurling or football has turned a traditional county around from the doldrums overnight eg Jimmy Barry Murphy, Nicholas English , Sean Boylan and Eugene McGee Mick Dwyer all.took years. The only manager to do it overnight was Kevin Heffernan in 1974 with Dublin but Heffernan had a touch of genius.

For me when McEntee took the job it was a 5 or 6 or 7 year job to get Meath back and I have seen nothing yet to say any different. I am very historical driven but my general theory is life keeps repeating itself. Times changes technology advances but human needs and emotions are constant. History just keeps repeating itself. Trump is just another ruder cruder version of Reagan. Man Utd are just repeating the same things that happened after Matt Busby left in late 60s as they are now with Ferguson leaving. The faces change but history repeats itself. Its not exact and not a science but I do think u can get answers from the past.

I am very repetitive very past driven and very consistent. What I wrote above in my earlier message u responded to, I said that 2 years ago on this forum and I have said it upteen times since. I said 2 years ago on this forum that McEntees first two years were going to be a write off and we would see improvement in year 3 and Meath would make impact in year 4 and 5 . I said at the start of this year we would get promoted get leinster final but fail to reach super 8 losing to Ulster team like Tyrone. I feel today we have great chance of staying in div 1 next year and if we get 4 home games anc I think we will and we will reach super 8 next year and make a good impact at super 8 next year. Again this all based on age profile of players , McEntee staying in the job. For me we r on target but it will take years.

If McEntee leaves I think we r in trouble. There is no obvious quality candidate in the county. We would be looking at another Mick O Dowd inexperienced manager with less sucessful CV..McEntee is the best qualified manager available to us and his stock is rising outside the county. On Off the ball a few weeks ago they were talking about manager of the year leaving Jim Galvin to one side , they said if McEntee gets Meath to super 8 after promotion to div 2 he would be there manager of the year. Of course Anthony Cunningham would be better candidate now but it does show how people view what McEntee is doing in Meath. He is no Sean Boylan. But he our best option and truthfully our only option. He is building something at Meath and for me he will be only half way through the job at end of the season.

The key is division 1 football. Nearly every year the last 8 are nearly all division 1 teams. Only 1 team in this decade has reached All Ireland final and were outside division 1 eg Donegal 2014. Mayo have reached 8 All Ireland finals in last 23 years , they have spent every one of those years in div 1. Monaghan have been top 6 team since 2014 they have spent every year in div 1. Donegal have won 1 All Ireland and 5 Ulster in this decade. They have spent nearly every year in div 1. If u stay in div 1 for a few seasons it is a certainty u will become a top 8 team. Division 1 is essential to sucess.

Since Boylan left I have being very pessimistic the managers I felt their CVs were not great. Coyler was the only manager I felt had potential and in 2008 I was really hopeful but that year became a nightmare for Meath and Coyle. At the start of 2010 and 2014 I was optimistic but every other year and every other manager since Boylan left I had little faith in. But when McEntee came in I felt had the CV and I felt optimistic. I still am. I still feel we r on target.

Regards the system is broken. I would say the system the championship has been broken for generations. But I am in the minority I believe Dublin dominance will soon end. Yes they have gone up a level. And will remain very strong but I believe like kilkenny in next few years there will be change.

Every county that had their greatest team the following decade there was a steep decline in counties fortunes. Cavan had greatest team in 40s and 50s the following decade a decline. kildare had their greatest team in 1920s the following decade deline..Mayo had their greatest team in 1950s the following decade decline. Cork hurlers had their greatest hurling team in 1940s and 1950s following decade decline. Tippearey hurlers had their greatest team in 1960s the following decade decline. Offaly had their greatest football team from 1972 to 1982 the following decade decline. Dublin had their greatest team from 1974 to 1985 ( up to the current team )the following decade decline. Down had their greatest team in 1960s the following decade decline. Meath had greatest team in 1980s 1990s following decade decline. kerry had their greatest team in 1970s and 1980s the following decade decline. Kilkenny had their greatest team in 00s the following decade they declined. Dublin have their greatest team in this decade , the following decade ????.

Time will tell. But when two teams dominated like Dublin their counties fortune declined and in the following era or decade an era of competitiveness was ushered in .

Between 1974 to 1986 Dublin and kerry won 12 of 13 All Irelands, Kerry won 8 and there was 2 contenders for Sam every year. Ten years after kerry won Sam in 1986 there was now yearly 8 or 9 contenders for Sam..And 8 teams won Sam in 10 years in the following ten years between 1990 and 2000.

In the 00s kilkenny dominated hurling at unprecedented levels. In 2009 there was 2 All Ireland contenders. Ten years later we have 8 or 9 All Ireland contenders. If u said in 2009 that ten years that kilkenny wouldnt be in top 3 or 4 All-Ireland contenders and Clare Galway and limerick would win liam in the following decade people would have laughed at u. An era of uncompetitveness is followed by an era of competitiveness. look at kerry with minor wins theyre is a All Ireland winning kerry team on horizon. Donegal have an All Ireland win in the current team. Galway Cork Tyrone Mayo are all counties u can see pushing for Sam in next ten years. kildare and Meath have got their act togther at underage and minor and under 20 leinster championship is very competitive.

Ask anyone who is involved at underage in Dublin they will tell u Dublin are not producing the talent they were 5 years ago. If this continues it will effect Dublin at senior level in the long term. Yes there is 2 to 3 more All-Irelands in this Dublin team but as the next decade progresses and alot of these Dublin greats retire eg Cluxton, Mcarthy, Sullivan , McMahon etc it should impact. My feeling is in the years 2024 , 2025 , 2026 , 2027 , 2028 , 2029 we will see a very competitive championship with allot of contenders. I could be wrong but anytime a team has dominated the following era is always very different. Time will tell."
Beating offaly Carlos loais and Clare is hardly progress. Hold your horses and see if we can beat a top team. Donegal and Dublin both gave us a lesson this year.

Jackpot (Meath) - Posts: 110 - 05/07/2019 18:03:20    2205987

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Replying To Jackpot:  "Beating offaly Carlos loais and Clare is hardly progress. Hold your horses and see if we can beat a top team. Donegal and Dublin both gave us a lesson this year."
What about beating Armagh by 6 points and it could have been more. What about beating Armagh, kildare, Fermanagh and Cork all very well ( I know kildare was by 1 point but we were much the better team) .Why did u leave out performances and victories over Armagh ( one of the teams of the summer ) , kildare ( always tough opposition to beat ) , Fermanagh ( one of best organised defences outside div 1 remeber we defeated them in the league and Fermanagh beat Kildare and Donegal in the league ) and our 6 point win over Cork who have a great chance to reach super 8 today.

This year we have beaten
Tippearey by 4 points
Armagh by 6 points
Cork by 6 points
kildare by 1 point
Clare by 5 points
Fermanagh by 7 points
Offaly by by 2 points
Carlow by 15 points
Laois by 11 points

We beat laois by 11 points who could end up in Super 8s, beat Offaly who had their best season in championship in years and beat Carlow by 15 points , Carlow beat kildare last year.

Kildare played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 11 points, we played them a week later and lost by 2 points after dominating the first half in Croker. Kildare played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 11 points, we played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 2 points after dominating the game til 63rd min. We won 3 competitive games last year, if we win on Sunday we will have won 10 competitive this year, the most we have won in a season since 2009 and 2010. We are ranked in every football ranking system I have seen as from 8th or 9th best team in the country. We are not div 4 or div 3 team . We are top div 2 team trying to break into top 8, we are a top ten team for the first time since 2010. We were 15th or 16th best team in the country last year , we are most improved team in the country this year. There is serious positives this year if u look at the full picture.

First promotion to div 1 in 13 years (Next year we will play in div 1 , for only the second time since 2001)
First promotion to 8 team div 1 in 21 years
First leinster final in 5 years
In the first half we kept Dublin to their lowest score in the championship in a first half in 8 years , ( Donegal v Dublin 2011)
We have the best defence in div 2 , we have a better defence then some division 1 teams. Galway or kerry dont have defenders as good as Keoghan or McGill. Meath have natural quality defenders eg Keoghan, McGill, Harnan, Ryan, Lavin, Gallagher, Kane. Meath have had problems at the back all this decade and in the last decade. This is the most solid Meath have looked at the back since Boylan retired. As I said plenty of positives, plenty of work to do but definatly going in the right direction.And hopefully after Sunday, even though the odds are stacked against eg no leinster team has lost a leinster final and won their next qualifier in ten years and that was when kildare defeated div 4 Wicklow. No team in leinster ever in history lost a leinster final and won their next qualifier by beating a team from top 2 divisions. Hopefully we do. And reach the last 8 /quater final /super 8 stage for the first time in 9 years and only for the 5th time in our history eg 2001, 2007, 2009, 2010.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 860 - 06/07/2019 06:38:39    2206103

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "What about beating Armagh by 6 points and it could have been more. What about beating Armagh, kildare, Fermanagh and Cork all very well ( I know kildare was by 1 point but we were much the better team) .Why did u leave out performances and victories over Armagh ( one of the teams of the summer ) , kildare ( always tough opposition to beat ) , Fermanagh ( one of best organised defences outside div 1 remeber we defeated them in the league and Fermanagh beat Kildare and Donegal in the league ) and our 6 point win over Cork who have a great chance to reach super 8 today.

This year we have beaten
Tippearey by 4 points
Armagh by 6 points
Cork by 6 points
kildare by 1 point
Clare by 5 points
Fermanagh by 7 points
Offaly by by 2 points
Carlow by 15 points
Laois by 11 points

We beat laois by 11 points who could end up in Super 8s, beat Offaly who had their best season in championship in years and beat Carlow by 15 points , Carlow beat kildare last year.

Kildare played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 11 points, we played them a week later and lost by 2 points after dominating the first half in Croker. Kildare played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 11 points, we played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 2 points after dominating the game til 63rd min. We won 3 competitive games last year, if we win on Sunday we will have won 10 competitive this year, the most we have won in a season since 2009 and 2010. We are ranked in every football ranking system I have seen as from 8th or 9th best team in the country. We are not div 4 or div 3 team . We are top div 2 team trying to break into top 8, we are a top ten team for the first time since 2010. We were 15th or 16th best team in the country last year , we are most improved team in the country this year. There is serious positives this year if u look at the full picture.

First promotion to div 1 in 13 years (Next year we will play in div 1 , for only the second time since 2001)
First promotion to 8 team div 1 in 21 years
First leinster final in 5 years
In the first half we kept Dublin to their lowest score in the championship in a first half in 8 years , ( Donegal v Dublin 2011)
We have the best defence in div 2 , we have a better defence then some division 1 teams. Galway or kerry dont have defenders as good as Keoghan or McGill. Meath have natural quality defenders eg Keoghan, McGill, Harnan, Ryan, Lavin, Gallagher, Kane. Meath have had problems at the back all this decade and in the last decade. This is the most solid Meath have looked at the back since Boylan retired. As I said plenty of positives, plenty of work to do but definatly going in the right direction.And hopefully after Sunday, even though the odds are stacked against eg no leinster team has lost a leinster final and won their next qualifier in ten years and that was when kildare defeated div 4 Wicklow. No team in leinster ever in history lost a leinster final and won their next qualifier by beating a team from top 2 divisions. Hopefully we do. And reach the last 8 /quater final /super 8 stage for the first time in 9 years and only for the 5th time in our history eg 2001, 2007, 2009, 2010."
Yes we had some good wins against teams who have proformed well in championship, Cork shot the lights out against Laois today, but their team today had little resemblance to the one we played in league, Brian Hurley and Mark Collins scored 3-12 today, both only made second half appearances against Meath after long injury layoffs. Lougrey and White to name two more were also absent. Armagh showed well against Mayo but again team was vastly different than one we played. Jamie Clarke, Brendan Donaghy, Jarleth Og Burns, Nugent and Paddy Burns were all missing against Meath. As any half decent team should do we took full advantage of their misfortunes and won these games. Yes we had the best defence in League 2, however we did not face the best forwards ( Quinilivan of Tipp, numerous Donegal forwards also missed league games), so while it was a great achievement to finally get to League 1 a degree of cautions around these results is advisable. Meath football needs to concentrate on the present and plan for the future. Statistics and history have their place, however they will not help Meath progress.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1257 - 06/07/2019 22:26:49    2206584

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "What about beating Armagh by 6 points and it could have been more. What about beating Armagh, kildare, Fermanagh and Cork all very well ( I know kildare was by 1 point but we were much the better team) .Why did u leave out performances and victories over Armagh ( one of the teams of the summer ) , kildare ( always tough opposition to beat ) , Fermanagh ( one of best organised defences outside div 1 remeber we defeated them in the league and Fermanagh beat Kildare and Donegal in the league ) and our 6 point win over Cork who have a great chance to reach super 8 today.

This year we have beaten
Tippearey by 4 points
Armagh by 6 points
Cork by 6 points
kildare by 1 point
Clare by 5 points
Fermanagh by 7 points
Offaly by by 2 points
Carlow by 15 points
Laois by 11 points

We beat laois by 11 points who could end up in Super 8s, beat Offaly who had their best season in championship in years and beat Carlow by 15 points , Carlow beat kildare last year.

Kildare played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 11 points, we played them a week later and lost by 2 points after dominating the first half in Croker. Kildare played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 11 points, we played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 2 points after dominating the game til 63rd min. We won 3 competitive games last year, if we win on Sunday we will have won 10 competitive this year, the most we have won in a season since 2009 and 2010. We are ranked in every football ranking system I have seen as from 8th or 9th best team in the country. We are not div 4 or div 3 team . We are top div 2 team trying to break into top 8, we are a top ten team for the first time since 2010. We were 15th or 16th best team in the country last year , we are most improved team in the country this year. There is serious positives this year if u look at the full picture.

First promotion to div 1 in 13 years (Next year we will play in div 1 , for only the second time since 2001)
First promotion to 8 team div 1 in 21 years
First leinster final in 5 years
In the first half we kept Dublin to their lowest score in the championship in a first half in 8 years , ( Donegal v Dublin 2011)
We have the best defence in div 2 , we have a better defence then some division 1 teams. Galway or kerry dont have defenders as good as Keoghan or McGill. Meath have natural quality defenders eg Keoghan, McGill, Harnan, Ryan, Lavin, Gallagher, Kane. Meath have had problems at the back all this decade and in the last decade. This is the most solid Meath have looked at the back since Boylan retired. As I said plenty of positives, plenty of work to do but definatly going in the right direction.And hopefully after Sunday, even though the odds are stacked against eg no leinster team has lost a leinster final and won their next qualifier in ten years and that was when kildare defeated div 4 Wicklow. No team in leinster ever in history lost a leinster final and won their next qualifier by beating a team from top 2 divisions. Hopefully we do. And reach the last 8 /quater final /super 8 stage for the first time in 9 years and only for the 5th time in our history eg 2001, 2007, 2009, 2010."
That's the spirit!

cabbage (Meath) - Posts: 137 - 06/07/2019 22:57:26    2206613

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "What about beating Armagh by 6 points and it could have been more. What about beating Armagh, kildare, Fermanagh and Cork all very well ( I know kildare was by 1 point but we were much the better team) .Why did u leave out performances and victories over Armagh ( one of the teams of the summer ) , kildare ( always tough opposition to beat ) , Fermanagh ( one of best organised defences outside div 1 remeber we defeated them in the league and Fermanagh beat Kildare and Donegal in the league ) and our 6 point win over Cork who have a great chance to reach super 8 today.

This year we have beaten
Tippearey by 4 points
Armagh by 6 points
Cork by 6 points
kildare by 1 point
Clare by 5 points
Fermanagh by 7 points
Offaly by by 2 points
Carlow by 15 points
Laois by 11 points

We beat laois by 11 points who could end up in Super 8s, beat Offaly who had their best season in championship in years and beat Carlow by 15 points , Carlow beat kildare last year.

Kildare played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 11 points, we played them a week later and lost by 2 points after dominating the first half in Croker. Kildare played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 11 points, we played Donegal in Donegal in the league and lost by 2 points after dominating the game til 63rd min. We won 3 competitive games last year, if we win on Sunday we will have won 10 competitive this year, the most we have won in a season since 2009 and 2010. We are ranked in every football ranking system I have seen as from 8th or 9th best team in the country. We are not div 4 or div 3 team . We are top div 2 team trying to break into top 8, we are a top ten team for the first time since 2010. We were 15th or 16th best team in the country last year , we are most improved team in the country this year. There is serious positives this year if u look at the full picture.

First promotion to div 1 in 13 years (Next year we will play in div 1 , for only the second time since 2001)
First promotion to 8 team div 1 in 21 years
First leinster final in 5 years
In the first half we kept Dublin to their lowest score in the championship in a first half in 8 years , ( Donegal v Dublin 2011)
We have the best defence in div 2 , we have a better defence then some division 1 teams. Galway or kerry dont have defenders as good as Keoghan or McGill. Meath have natural quality defenders eg Keoghan, McGill, Harnan, Ryan, Lavin, Gallagher, Kane. Meath have had problems at the back all this decade and in the last decade. This is the most solid Meath have looked at the back since Boylan retired. As I said plenty of positives, plenty of work to do but definatly going in the right direction.And hopefully after Sunday, even though the odds are stacked against eg no leinster team has lost a leinster final and won their next qualifier in ten years and that was when kildare defeated div 4 Wicklow. No team in leinster ever in history lost a leinster final and won their next qualifier by beating a team from top 2 divisions. Hopefully we do. And reach the last 8 /quater final /super 8 stage for the first time in 9 years and only for the 5th time in our history eg 2001, 2007, 2009, 2010."
How can you say we have a better defence than some division one teams when they are playing top class forwards while we beat average/poor teams. Let's get Clare out of the way and see where we are at then. Have we improved since Dublin and Donegal games

Jackpot (Meath) - Posts: 110 - 07/07/2019 11:03:49    2206859

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Replying To Jackpot:  "How can you say we have a better defence than some division one teams when they are playing top class forwards while we beat average/poor teams. Let's get Clare out of the way and see where we are at then. Have we improved since Dublin and Donegal games"
Galway play a very defensive system because Galway are shakey at the back. Name one top class defender Galway have. They have none a natural defender. Galway would not have a quality defender as good as Keoghan or McGill. Harnan would be better also. Galway have class upfront but are very shakey at the back. Thats why Tippearey destroyed them in Croker in 2016 and Roscommon destroyed them by 9 points and Kerry also in All Ireland quarter final. Thats why Walsh went very defensive and brought all the players back. But with lally gone this year u can see from the performances v Roscommon and Mayo players have lost interest in that defensive system and Galway backs look average again. Take kerry. Top class forwards and midfielders . Kerry have great tradition of defenders. Everyone is saying kerry are shakey at the back. The started the league well but performances v Mayo and Cork exposed problems at the back for kerry . Tomas O Se wrote last week about kerry problems at the back. He said players like Murphy are good attacking backs but he could not think of 1 player on the kerry team that was a manmarker. He said defensively kerry defenders were poor markers and kerry lacked quality defenders. Hes right remember great kerry defenders like Paudi O Se Marc O Se Tomas O Se John O Keefe or Seamus Moyihan. Or some of the quality defenders kerry had in 00s like Tom Sullivan Mike Mcarthy Aidan O Mahony.

Tomas O Se said kerry were crying out for Tom Sullivan or Mike McCarthy. Name one top class defender kerry have not attacking defender kerry like Paul Murphy. The best kerry defender is Peter Crowley. Keoghan or McGill would be better defenders. kerry full back is Jack Sherlock he played his first game for kerry at 25. McGill is a better full back. MCGILL is better full back then Galways Sean Andy O Ceallaigh .Aidan O Rourke in the spring was talking about how kerry lack quality defenders. Pat Spillane said a few weeks the achilles heal.of this kerry team is there defence. Ask any kerry supporter and they will tell u are defensively not strong.

The reason why we got promoted is the defence. The reason we got to leinster final and super 8 is our best defence. Its the best Meath defence I have seen since Boylan left. We have had problems at the back for 15 years. Half back line and centre back have been problem area for 15. With keoghan Harnan Kane J McEntee Ryan and Mcoy as all.options in the half back line thats the strongest half back line I have seen in Meath football in 20 years. Half back line is the most important line in modern football. All the top teams have top class half backs eg Keegan Boyle Mcarthy Mccaffrey Lacey.

Keoghan is one best defenders in Ireland. He would walk onto every team in div 1.McGill is one of best full backs in Ireland. Name a better full back then Conor McGill . Kerry or Galway or Tyrone dont have as good a full back as McGill or defender as keoghan. Tyrone are defensively strong with their system but name one top class defender Tyrone have. Harte is an attacking wing back but u compare Tyrone defence to Gormleys McMemamins of 00s its lacking.

There is serious lack of great defenders in football. Blanket defences and sweepers have killed art of defending. Remeber 20 or 15 years all great defenfers eg Darren Fay , Martin O Connell , Mark Reilly , Robbie O Malley , Paul Curran , Kieth Barr , Eamon Heery, Glen Ryan, Anthony Rainbow , Davy Dalton , Higgins , Antony Lynch , Graham Canty , Seamus Moyihan, T O Se , M O Se , Aidan O Mahony , Tom Sullivan, Mike Mcarthy , James Nallen, Kenneth Mortimer , Pat Holmes , Tony Scullion , Sean Marty lochart , Kieran McGeeney, Conor Gormley , Davy Harte , Philip Jordan , Ryan McMemanin, Conor McAllan , The McMahon brother's, Sean Og De Paor , Gary Walsh and Ciaran Fitzgerald

Where are all the great defenders gone. Dublin and Mayo have them all. The rest lack great defenders. Defenders dont want to defend they want to run up the field at attack. Who said this last year. Andy McEntee did. So clearly Meath have worked on the defence picked goof defenders and told them to get in front of their man. Old style Meath defending. Meath dont have a defence as good as Dublin , but Meath are good defensively.

Many teams in the country are shakey at the back and that includes div 1 teams. Lavin , McGill , Gallagher, Ryan , Keoghan, Harnan, Kane , Mcoy , J McEntee have been excellent all year and our strongest line of the field. Take kildare they have good forwards. But ask any kildare supporter and they will tell they have problems at the back. Thats why they in div 2 next season and we r in divsion 1. Being defensively good is important.

And lookinng age profile of Meath defence eg
Seamus lavin 24 ,
Shane Gallagher 25
Conor McGill 26 ,
J McEntee 24 ,
Gavin Mcoy 24 ,
Nialk Kane 23 ,
Ross Ryan 22 ,
Ronan Ryan,
Robin Clarke 22 ,
Sean Reilly 20
Donal Keoghan 28 .

The age profile of those players mean they are going to get better and that Meath defence is going to get better. Leaving out Donal keoghan the average age of Meath defence is 23. Most players peak at 26 27 28. look at Donal keoghan peaking at 28. When Harnan Lavin Gallagher Ryan J McEntee Kane all hit 25 26 27 28. They all should improve and Meath can only improve and playing their next ten games v division 1 opposition will mean by next summer that Meath defence will be maturer and learn so much from playing v forwards like Clifford Kilkenny Murphy.

Every sucessful Meath team.has been built on a good defence. We have had problems at the back since 1999. That we are now defensivly solid at the back then we have had been in years is why we have had our best season in 9 years. And the good news those defenders will only get better in 2021 2022. In 2021 2022 , Harnan lavin J McEntee will be 26 27 kane will be 24 25 Gallagher will be 27 28 , Ryan will be 24 25 , McGill.will be 28. They should all be peaking as players then and keoghan at 30 31 should still be top class defender. Defensivly we have been good and I believe we can better.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 860 - 07/07/2019 20:25:13    2207348

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Replying To Jackpot:  "How can you say we have a better defence than some division one teams when they are playing top class forwards while we beat average/poor teams. Let's get Clare out of the way and see where we are at then. Have we improved since Dublin and Donegal games"
Galway play a very defensive system because Galway are shakey at the back. Name one top class defender Galway have. They have none a natural defender. Galway would not have a quality defender as good as Keoghan or McGill. Harnan would be better also. Galway have class upfront but are very shakey at the back. Thats why Tippearey destroyed them in Croker in 2016 and Roscommon destroyed them by 9 points and Kerry also in All Ireland quarter final. Thats why Walsh went very defensive and brought all the players back. But with lally gone this year u can see from the performances v Roscommon and Mayo players have lost interest in that defensive system and Galway backs look average again. Take kerry. Top class forwards and midfielders . Kerry have great tradition of defenders. Everyone is saying kerry are shakey at the back. The started the league well but performances v Mayo and Cork exposed problems at the back for kerry . Tomas O Se wrote last week about kerry problems at the back. He said players like Murphy are good attacking backs but he could not think of 1 player on the kerry team that was a manmarker. He said defensively kerry defenders were poor markers and kerry lacked quality defenders. Hes right remember great kerry defenders like Paudi O Se Marc O Se Tomas O Se John O Keefe or Seamus Moyihan. Or some of the quality defenders kerry had in 00s like Tom Sullivan Mike Mcarthy Aidan O Mahony.

Tomas O Se said kerry were crying out for Tom Sullivan or Mike McCarthy. Name one top class defender kerry have not attacking defender kerry like Paul Murphy. The best kerry defender is Peter Crowley. Keoghan or McGill would be better defenders. kerry full back is Jack Sherlock he played his first game for kerry at 25. McGill is a better full back. MCGILL is better full back then Galways Sean Andy O Ceallaigh .Aidan O Rourke in the spring was talking about how kerry lack quality defenders. Pat Spillane said a few weeks the achilles heal.of this kerry team is there defence. Ask any kerry supporter and they will tell u are defensively not strong.

The reason why we got promoted is the defence. The reason we got to leinster final and super 8 is our best defence. Its the best Meath defence I have seen since Boylan left. We have had problems at the back for 15 years. Half back line and centre back have been problem area for 15. With keoghan Harnan Kane J McEntee Ryan and Mcoy as all.options in the half back line thats the strongest half back line I have seen in Meath football in 20 years. Half back line is the most important line in modern football. All the top teams have top class half backs eg Keegan Boyle Mcarthy Mccaffrey Lacey.

Keoghan is one best defenders in Ireland. He would walk onto every team in div 1.McGill is one of best full backs in Ireland. Name a better full back then Conor McGill . Kerry or Galway or Tyrone dont have as good a full back as McGill or defender as keoghan. Tyrone are defensively strong with their system but name one top class defender Tyrone have. Harte is an attacking wing back but u compare Tyrone defence to Gormleys McMemamins of 00s its lacking.

There is serious lack of great defenders in football. Blanket defences and sweepers have killed art of defending. Remeber 20 or 15 years all great defenfers eg Darren Fay , Martin O Connell , Mark Reilly , Robbie O Malley , Paul Curran , Kieth Barr , Eamon Heery, Glen Ryan, Anthony Rainbow , Davy Dalton , Higgins , Antony Lynch , Graham Canty , Seamus Moyihan, T O Se , M O Se , Aidan O Mahony , Tom Sullivan, Mike Mcarthy , James Nallen, Kenneth Mortimer , Pat Holmes , Tony Scullion , Sean Marty lochart , Kieran McGeeney, Conor Gormley , Davy Harte , Philip Jordan , Ryan McMemanin, Conor McAllan , The McMahon brother's, Sean Og De Paor , Gary Walsh and Ciaran Fitzgerald

Where are all the great defenders gone. Dublin and Mayo have them all. The rest lack great defenders. Defenders dont want to defend they want to run up the field at attack. Who said this last year. Andy McEntee did. So clearly Meath have worked on the defence picked goof defenders and told them to get in front of their man. Old style Meath defending. Meath dont have a defence as good as Dublin , but Meath are good defensively.

Many teams in the country are shakey at the back and that includes div 1 teams. Lavin , McGill , Gallagher, Ryan , Keoghan, Harnan, Kane , Mcoy , J McEntee have been excellent all year and our strongest line of the field. Take kildare they have good forwards. But ask any kildare supporter and they will tell they have problems at the back. Thats why they in div 2 next season and we r in divsion 1. Being defensively good is important.

And lookinng age profile of Meath defence eg
Seamus lavin 24 ,
Shane Gallagher 25
Conor McGill 26 ,
J McEntee 24 ,
Gavin Mcoy 24 ,
Nialk Kane 23 ,
Ross Ryan 22 ,
Ronan Ryan,
Robin Clarke 22 ,
Sean Reilly 20
Donal Keoghan 28 .

The age profile of those players mean they are going to get better and that Meath defence is going to get better. Leaving out Donal keoghan the average age of Meath defence is 23. Most players peak at 26 27 28. look at Donal keoghan peaking at 28. When Harnan Lavin Gallagher Ryan J McEntee Kane all hit 25 26 27 28. They all should improve and Meath can only improve and playing their next ten games v division 1 opposition will mean by next summer that Meath defence will be maturer and learn so much from playing v forwards like Clifford Kilkenny Murphy.

Every sucessful Meath team.has been built on a good defence. We have had problems at the back since 1999. That we are now defensivly solid at the back then we have had been in years is why we have had our best season in 9 years. And the good news those defenders will only get better in 2021 2022. In 2021 2022 , Harnan lavin J McEntee will be 26 27 kane will be 24 25 Gallagher will be 27 28 , Ryan will be 24 25 , McGill.will be 28. They should all be peaking as players then and keoghan at 30 31 should still be top class defender. Defensivly we have been good and I believe we can better.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 860 - 07/07/2019 20:25:25    2207349

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Replying To Jackpot:  "How can you say we have a better defence than some division one teams when they are playing top class forwards while we beat average/poor teams. Let's get Clare out of the way and see where we are at then. Have we improved since Dublin and Donegal games"
Of course if defenders are facing top class forwards and being cleaned out at midfield and good ball coming in even Darren Fay would struggle. Yes players like David Clifford and Michael Murphy would cause all defences problem with exception Dublin. But Dublin have best defenders in the country the best defenders of their generation and some all time great defenders. Meath are not at that level but no one is.

But defensively we have improved greatly this year and its as solid Meath defence in years because individually we have good defenders. Keoghan Harnan and McGill are quality defenders.

Keoghan is one of best defenders in the country and Anthony Moyles thinks hes is top ten footballers in the country he said that in May that doesnt seem like an extraordinary thing to say now. Galway kerry Tyrone Roscommon wouldnt have as good defender as keoghan.

McGill is one of best full backs in the country. Name a better full back. There is a serious lack of quality full backs in the country. Twenty years ago every team had a good full back now full backs quality ones are non existant . We have a quality one. Dublin have in O Carrroll but name any others.
Harnan is probably going to be Meath centre back for years. Its being problem area since Enda McManus retired and we haven't had a quality centre back since liam Harnan Padraig uncle. We do now. Harnan is a quality centre back.
Then u have Shane Gallagher. A proper out and out man marker. Every team 20 years ago had a quality marker but now with blanket defences and sweepers , the skill of man marking has died. I was a man marker in my day and a pretty good one. Tomas O Se says kerry dont have one man marker. He wrote recently of how there are few quality man markers in the game. The best would be Dublin's Cooper , McMahon and Fitzsimmons. Gallagher is not at that level but he is a quality man marker something div 1 teams like kerry or Galway dont have.
Then u have lavin who in last two years has gone from being unable to get panel to being our number 2 in every single game. He is another good defender who can attack but also defend and has leadership qualities.
Ryan is just a hard tackling summerhill defender with pace. At 22 he is going to be mainstay in Meath defence for next decade. He looks to me like a modern Dublin defender , tough but has pace.
Kane for me is best wing back in the county in terms of attacking hes only 22 and will also be important player for us. He is good at breaking ball and is a good defender also.
J McEntee is attacking dynamic wing back but we have options if was able to make an impact at wing forward that would really help the forwards. But for 6 months he was our best player.
Mcoy has really settled well to inter county he looks the part and will get better.
Lynch Curran and Glynn are players/ defenders in late 20s who can add steal and experience.
And of course u have the great warrior Mickey Burke who was on Meath defence decade and great servant but coz we are so strong defensively and have so many options Mickey has had little game time.
Players like Sean Reilly at 20 are players for the future.

We have a quality defence. And it can only get better with 10 games in row v Clifford Kilkenny and Murphy Yes they will struggle at times but by championship in 2020 Meath defence will have learned so much from super 8 and 7 league game it will be an even more improved defence in 12 months times as all the defenders start to peak as they reach ages of 25 and 26.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 860 - 08/07/2019 02:09:19    2207542

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Most Counties no longer have all thier players available at the same time. Possibly because they are required to be nearly fulltime and have to earn a living as well.

If they became available again I think that some who would add to making a Div 1 team next year, Ronan Jones, Donnacha Tobin, Donal Lenihan, The Ratoath 5, Conor Nash, Brian Conlon, Padraig Kennelly,

Maybe more full games for Sean Tobin, Niall Kane,

I'm sure I only got the half of them

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 265 - 08/07/2019 10:31:20    2207650

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