I think Ballinderry's Adrian McGuckin won a minor All Ireland with Derry and also won an Ulster Schools Cup with Rainey back in the 1960s.

His brother Patrick also played in Croker with Derry minors and played in a Schools Cup final a couple of years later.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 26/03/2015 19:40:09    1706876

generally you do need to be well off to attend a private school..definitely to a certain degree..poor people certainly dont attend private schools...how can you expect people to be polite when you arent the slightest bit polite to them?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 26/03/2015 20:47:37    1706894

ormondbannerman
You don't have to be well off to attend a fee paying school.
26/03/2015 18:50:38 MesAmis
I think this opinion of Ormo's actually explains about how he sees the world.
Everything is relative to your experience I suppose.
26/03/2015 20:47:37 fabio8
generally you do need to be well off to attend a private school..definitely to a certain degree..poor people certainly dont attend private schools...how can you expect people to be polite when you arent the slightest bit polite to them? Firstly what are people defining as being well off. If you own several properties are you well off. Having a well paid job(80k +) doesn't imply that you are well off. It all depends on context.
You don't generally have to be well off to attend private school, between 4k and 6k per year for fee's. Changing habits etc elsewhere in life is how many parents get their kids through their time in secondary and attending such schools.
What is well off? How do you quantify it?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/03/2015 10:31:18    1706945

begrudgery is a fright. Im not a rugby fan, but fair play to any lad that plays both. looks like he is the only player that has done this unique double.

kerryrowz (Kerry) - Posts: 833 - 27/03/2015 10:35:17    1706948

If someone thinks dropping 4-6k (a lot more in some cases) a year per child is doable if you are not well off then it explains a lot about that person.

If you can afford to spend that type of money then you are well off. Yes you might need to sacrifice some things but you are well off in the first place to be in that position.

It says a lot about a person's life view and experience imo. Like I said it is all relative to one's experience, but to me it is quite naive to think that it is just a case of changing your lifestyle habits and suddenly there's tens of thousands of euro available to someone!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 27/03/2015 10:40:22    1706950

Nail on the head Mesamis.

Sending kids to a fee paying school is a mammoth task. Shaving 5k a year just like that by changing lifestyle habits cannot be done by the vast majority. Hve 2 pints instead of 3 this weekend and on monday there will be 5k in my account. Great.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 27/03/2015 11:40:50    1706972

As I have said before GAA in Dublin and generally in most urban areas is ery much dominated by the middle and upper class and I find it quiet amusing that Dublin posters are always harping on about rugby being upper class , it is true that rugby is at its strongest in the private fee paying schools but a lot of the players are now getting scholarship to attend these schools because they cannot afford to pay for them , all players are starting off at ordainary clubs and progressing from there and the more talented are going to private schools but I was told that this years leinster academy under 15 is for the first tine dominated by club players rather than schools players (I am not sure if this is true ). Rugby is gaining in popularity all the time but because of the physical nature of the game it will never have the same playing numbers as GAA and soccer but I think the more talented athletes are leaning towards it at a young age as they see it as an opportunity to hopefully one day becoming a professional.

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 27/03/2015 14:41:24    1707030

Do you live in Dublin tinrylad? or do you just hear about it on your wireless?

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 27/03/2015 16:06:30    1707060

tinrylandman
County: Carlow
Posts: 367

You're half right in fairness to you. The GAA, as well as soccer, is very strong in middle and upper class areas in Dublin thanks to a great amount of work being done.

However the GAA is quite strong in a lot of working class areas too despite that one article you read once ;) The GAA is a little behind soccer still in more disadvantaged areas though. We keep hearing about rugby's great strides in disadvantaged areas of Dublin but they are light years behind the GAA in these areas in Dublin from what I can see.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 27/03/2015 16:51:29    1707070

Do you live in Dublin tinrylad? or do you just hear about it on your wireless?

Classic reply !

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 27/03/2015 17:22:55    1707082

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Firstly what are people defining as being well off. If you own several properties are you well off. Having a well paid job(80k +) doesn't imply that you are well off. It all depends on context.
You don't generally have to be well off to attend private school, between 4k and 6k per year for fee's. Changing habits etc elsewhere in life is how many parents get their kids through their time in secondary and attending such schools.
What is well off? How do you quantify it?

Ah Ormond, seriously, if you're making 80k+ a year, you're well off. If you own multiple properties, you're well off. If you're dropping 6k on private education, you're well off. And you quantify by looking at society as a whole.

But, I'd imagine its possible that there are some fee paying schools that are affordable, and that do not cost up to 6k etc. At least 20 years ago, there were fee paying schools you could day board at for a reasonable sum (although alot has changed since then, so I could be way off).

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 27/03/2015 17:22:56    1707083

ormondbannerman
Firstly what are people defining as being well off. If you own several properties are you well off. Having a well paid job(80k +) doesn't imply that you are well off. It all depends on context.
You don't generally have to be well off to attend private school, between 4k and 6k per year for fee's. Changing habits etc elsewhere in life is how many parents get their kids through their time in secondary and attending such schools.
What is well off? How do you quantify it?
27/03/2015 17:2:56 Marlon_JD
Ah Ormond, seriously, if you're making 80k+ a year, you're well off. If you own multiple properties, you're well off. If you're dropping 6k on private education, you're well off. And you quantify by looking at society as a whole.
But, I'd imagine its possible that there are some fee paying schools that are affordable, and that do not cost up to 6k etc. At least 20 years ago, there were fee paying schools you could day board at for a reasonable sum (although alot has changed since then, so I could be way off). Where did I state or anyone state you must have to earn 80k and be well off. If you own multiple properties you aren't ultimately well off. Y

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/03/2015 17:53:37    1707092

ormondbannerman
Firstly what are people defining as being well off. If you own several properties are you well off. Having a well paid job(80k +) doesn't imply that you are well off. It all depends on context.
You don't generally have to be well off to attend private school, between 4k and 6k per year for fee's. Changing habits etc elsewhere in life is how many parents get their kids through their time in secondary and attending such schools.
What is well off? How do you quantify it?
27/03/2015 17:2:56 Marlon_JD
Ah Ormond, seriously, if you're making 80k+ a year, you're well off. If you own multiple properties, you're well off. If you're dropping 6k on private education, you're well off. And you quantify by looking at society as a whole.
But, I'd imagine its possible that there are some fee paying schools that are affordable, and that do not cost up to 6k etc. At least 20 years ago, there were fee paying schools you could day board at for a reasonable sum (although alot has changed since then, so I could be way off). If you earn 80k you are not ultimately well off. If you own multiple properties you aren't ultimately well off. You may have high valued assets but you may not be wealthy and live in relative comfort.
What would you deem as an affordable fee paying school? A significant proportion of those who attend a fee paying school cut back in all manners of life to send their children to fee paying schools

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/03/2015 18:11:53    1707095

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
If you earn 80k you are not ultimately well off. If you own multiple properties you aren't ultimately well off. You may have high valued assets but you may not be wealthy and live in relative comfort.
What would you deem as an affordable fee paying school? A significant proportion of those who attend a fee paying school cut back in all manners of life to send their children to fee paying schools

I'm a little flabbergasted by this argument, are you sure you want to persist with it? I'm not trying to be snide, but clearly someone who earns 80k+ is well off, thats huge money. Same for someone who owns multiple properties. I mean, contrast it with someone who is unemployed, or earns 22k a a year, and owns no property. Or someone on 40k, who's struggling to pay a mortgage on one house. The vast majority of people don't earn close to 80k, or have multiple properties. The ones that do, are well off. And they are well off because they are so much better off than the vast majority of society.

As for the fee paying school thing, I'm really just guessing at it. Back in my school going days, I knew of one fee paying school where you could day board for around 900 a year, but that was 20 years ago. Alots changed since then, so I don't really know.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 27/03/2015 18:46:54    1707101

80 k a year?..thats quite well off..what kind of argument are you trying to make?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 27/03/2015 19:35:22    1707114

Flack , lived in Dublin for 10 years and still spend a lot of time there with work so I am basing my comments on experience , the GAA in Dublin in general in Dublin look down on working class areas in my opinion and of course there are exceptions but that is generally the morm.

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 28/03/2015 11:09:59    1707195

Earning 80k a year and owning multiple properties, the example given by Ormondbannerman/rugger-hugger extraordinaire, this not being wealthy comes straight out of the Pee Flynn book of household economics.
"I realize I'm among the top 10% of the population in terms of wealth but I'm not wealthy."

This is the thread that just keeps giving.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 28/03/2015 15:02:21    1707253

live close to Glenstal abbey in co Limerick. a private fee paying rugby playing boarding school..annual fees there are about €12000...lot of money by anyones reckoning. needless to say no matter how much i trim my budget, my children will not be going there!

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1065 - 28/03/2015 15:11:48    1707258

Pee Flynn.

Now there's a blasht from the pasht.
I saw Bev in Fagans before a league semi final a few years ago. She looked better than on the Telly. She probably tried getting into Tolka Park first before her minders told her where Croker was.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 28/03/2015 15:16:38    1707259

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live close to Glenstal abbey in co Limerick. a private fee paying rugby playing boarding school..annual fees there are about €12000...lot of money by anyones reckoning. needless to say no matter how much i trim my budget, my children will not be going there!
28/03/2015 15:16:38
GreenandRed
County: Mayo
Posts: 1406

1707259
Pee Flynn.

Now there's a blasht from the pasht.
I saw Bev in Fagans before a league semi final a few years ago. She looked better than on the Telly. She probably tried getting into Tolka Park first before her minders told her where Croker was.

Oh proper schnakes indeed. Minders,I'd say she needs a minder alright.
Sure all royalty have them.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 28/03/2015 15:44:39    1707267