bad.monkey how many unionists WANT to play gaelic games?
if you believe that that particular problem is a one way street then you're even stupider than I took you for.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 24/03/2015 21:15:06    1706232

24/03/2015 18:15:44 hurlinspuds
tinrylandman is talking through his hat.
Daytona I was just curious as to what level they were playing at. If they are tiny clubs then obviously they have much less of an impact on the local area. Def not saying starting and running a sports club of any kind is not admirable in the extreme. What are the big Dublin rugby clubs terenure, Lansdowne, st marys. They're all nice areas, no?
Victorious, never understood why anyone would use the term "the british isles". It's not just a geographical term, it has connotations. I do agree that the divide is rugby for rich areas, soccer for working class areas and GAA across the divide in general but I think there's a rake of middle class lads playing soccer these days and bucking that trend. There is a rake of "working class" playing and always have been playing rugby.
Tired cliché to say rugby is for rich areas.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/03/2015 21:17:46    1706233

24/03/2015 18:18:00 bad.monkey
Get off your high horse lads. Until recently the GAA banned anyone from playing if they had the audacity to play another sport! Protestants and unionists are effectively excluded by the open bigotry in clubs. Look how often the term west Brit is used on HS with no issue. The GAA is hardly a bastion of inclusion on this island.
Rugby has been based on private schools in Leinster as that's where the game was played but since the game went pro they have done a lot of work in traditionally non rugby areas. Project Tallaght has been a great success and Leinster do regular open trainings in every corner of the province Super post. agree with all that....
24/03/2015 18:26:23 GreenandRed
The 'big' Dublin rugby clubs???? Ladies and lads playing for Tallaght, Clondalkin and The Liberties aren't into rugby at all. Sure they're working class areas not fitting into the elitist rugby stereotype. Hands up here who has ever been at a club rugby match of Junior Rugby standard? How many of the players in those games also play/played soccer and GAA? You've never played against any of those sides etc I doubt or met any of their players. Ive been to 000s of junior rugby games. Significant number will play GAA. Not as many, depending on areas will play soccer as seasons clash...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/03/2015 21:19:57    1706234

and how many players in the leinster squad ormond from non fee paying schools that are actually from leinster?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/03/2015 21:20:45    1706235

24/03/2015 19:24:01 bad.monkey
Ok Soma so today in the all inclusive GAA how many out of the hundreds of thousands unionists in Ireland are playing for an inter county team?
People in glass houses... +1
24/03/2015 19:25:27 fabio8
recently is 1971?...token gestures is holding training outside of d4..the fact is the players from leinster are practically all from fee paying schools..people like sean o brien are a rare occurance Holding opening training sessions outside of Dublin isn't a token gesture. You know nothing about rugby or developing the game if you think that by holding a session in tullow/naas/gorey etc is a token gesture.
People like Sean O Brien are not that rare and more and more are making it to pro level from places like Carlow, birr, naas, navan etc and that's just leinster

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/03/2015 21:23:29    1706237

24/03/2015 21:20:45
fabio8
and how many players in the leinster squad ormond from non fee paying schools that are actually from leinster? If you want to look it up do it yourself ............

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/03/2015 21:23:56    1706238

so you dismiss anybody suggesting rugby is elitest yet you agree with a post that is largely a wind up banging on about a ban from 40 years ago?..strong argument there

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/03/2015 21:23:59    1706239

answer the question ormond..you were the 1 saying you could name loads of players earlier..we are still all waiting..its hilarious how you reinforced daytonas point

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/03/2015 21:32:32    1706243

joncarter - or maybe you completely missed the point. But of course its just that unionists dont like hurling and gaelic football right...not that they are excluded by the accepted open bigotry in GAA clubs. They play every sport going, just like anyone else - even compete on all-irish teams under the tri colour and amhran na bhfiann - boxing, rugby, golf..etc etc but never play GAA. But its just that they dont like sports, right..

Very rich for GAA people to accuse other sports of excluding people. Long fall from a high horse for some here.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 24/03/2015 21:51:29    1706253

The GAA is all inclusive to be fair. Unionists would be welcome in any club in the North if they weren't there to cause trouble.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 25/03/2015 08:30:52    1706269

bennybunny
County: Cork
Posts: 2779

Out of curiosty, what are the names of the clubs in Ballymun (is it Setanta? Ballymun Kickhams?), Darndale, Coolock (Cuala?) Cabra West? I am not questioning you, I wouldn't mind knowing the names. Also are they dual clubs or have they sister football clubs?

Ballymun have both Setanta and Kickhams. Coolock has Parnells. Cabra served by Naomh Fionnbarra. Darndale would be O'Toole's.

Setanta is hurling only club but the rest are dual clubs.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 25/03/2015 08:32:19    1706270

Bad Monkey, I actually made a point of saying that Unionists don't play GAA but whether that's the GAA's fault or not is debateable. There is an issue there though. Did you really think that it was a recent change that allowed people to play more than one sport?? Surely you knew that it was almost half a century ago???! Are you really a GAA fan??

Ormond, my original point was that Dublin Schools rugby was elitist and I said it on the basis that it seems to be only for fee paying private schools full of D4 kids. I don't know much about this Leinster franchise except that I learned from you and Daytona that almost all the Irish guys who work for it are the aforementioned rich kids which would also make me think that the franchise is full of elites. I accept that the IRFU is doing work in areas that are not their traditional area like Tallaght, fair play. Thanks for making Daytona's point clear to me. I do wonder about all of your points when you got that one so spectacularly wrong.

Do you really want me to define a disadvantaged area?? Or what high unemployment is?? Maybe I'm speaking to a 14 year old and you don't read the paper or something but surely you know what these things are and how they are generally identified??

I'm not sure why you think I don't understand the word "elitist". I would think that a competition that is only for fee paying private schools from wealthy neighbourhoods would be elitist, am I wrong?

Anyways, Bad.Monkey has said "west brit" now so this thread will probably shut down soon. I don't think anyone was saying that the GAA in the 6 counties was successful at getting unionists to participate so I don't really know where his argument came from. Equally, I wonder how good Ulster rugby is at getting nationalists to play, I asked about that earlier. Typically though, we'll only concentrate on our own failings rather than contemplate that the other side might also have some questions to answer.

Anyways, I don't think Ormond is actually going to admit that Dublin schools rugby is elitist so there is little point to carrying on without just going around in circles. I don't think Ormond does rugby as a sport any favours by being so obstinate. I'm sure lots of decent rugby people would admit the problem and explain how they're working to change it but no, to Ormond rugby is perfect and anyone with a criticism is just a rugby-hating idiot.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 25/03/2015 09:20:40    1706278

tinrylandman
County: Carlow
Posts: 365

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It is laughable that Dublin posters on here are talking about rugby being elitist in Dublin . the GAA is everybit as much middle and upper class in the capital all its strongholds are generally in the leafy suburbs and GAA people in Dublin are the first ones to look down on the working class and care little about developing the games in these areas .

'All it's strongholds are generally in the leafy subarbs'. Really?? Ballymun Kickhams has the most representation of any Dublin club on the Dublin Senior Football team. Didn't realise that was a 'leafy subarb'??

Other teams from so called 'leafy subarbs' include St Vincents, Parnells (Coolock), Fingal Ravens, Fingallians, Peregrines (Blanchardstown), Whitehall.

You're talking rubbish.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 25/03/2015 09:36:15    1706286

We need to see more GAA clubs being set up. Estates are expanding all the time. Yet the number of GAA clubs has been static. Like I said one GAA club Clondalkin Round Towers in Dublin 22. Which is a massive area. Yet there are at least 15 Junior soccer clubs if not more. Nearly every estate here has a Soccer club. There is one rugby club- but I think it is in Tallaght. That is miles away from Clondalkin, so it does'nt count imo.
I think going forward heres a plan:
1. GAA needs to set up clubs in new towns like Adamstown/Lucan,
2. GAA should encourage Irish language and culture. Round Towers club have just appointed Irish language officer for example
3. Clubs should become hubs for irish dancing/music etc.
4. Plenty of charity work for local causes.
is mise: (galwayford)

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 25/03/2015 09:36:20    1706287

galwayford
County: Galway
Posts: 126

One of the main reasons that Adamstown GAA failed is that it was set up too close to Sarsfields and was doomed to fail from the outset. Adamstown is a made up place in anyways. You have to drive through "Adamstown" to get to the 12th Lock where Sarsfields club house is from Lucan village!!!

The second GAA club on Lucan's Northside in Westmanstown will be and is already quite successful.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 25/03/2015 09:57:06    1706298

Posters here can't seriously compare the divide between Catholic/Protestant in Ulster and rich/working-class in Leinster-people were at war for 30 years in the North so your life literally was at risk(from both sides) if you crossed the divide while in Leinster there was no such obstacle yet working-class people are still rare in Leinster rugby. We all know about Sean O'Brien but that's because the rugby community goes on and on about him so he must be an exception while there are plenty Protestants playing for Ulster teams but the GAA doesn't go the papers to have it highlighted every week. As for the ban thats gone40 years, if you go back that far rugby was definitely an elitest sport then so maybe that's where we get that impression of rugby being for the rich only, the nearest we have to a ban nowdays is all these provincial rugby academys banning 18/19 year oldsfrom playing GAA under sanction of dismissal from the academy.
Back to the original topic on here , well done to the young Kerry lad on winning both medals ,he must be a seriously committed individual to do that

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 25/03/2015 10:12:24    1706307

Just because it says Ballymun does not mean it caters for the people of the area. This article is the reality no matter what some people on here might have you believe.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/ballymun-s-story-a-reflection-of-a-wider-truth-for-gaa-in-dublin-1.557938

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 25/03/2015 10:41:08    1706316

I'm confused about this article tinrylandman, it says Ballymun is run and used by the people of ballymun contradicting what you're saying: "Just because it says Ballymun does not mean it caters for the people of the area."

From this article it seems to be the newer parts of west Dublin that the GAA has had problems with and a general trend toward becoming a middle class sport which impacts upon all of urban Ireland from Dublin to towns of 10,000 people. This is hardly a good reason to take a pop at Dublin! I don't think anyone is saying the GAA is perfect at participation by a long shot.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 25/03/2015 10:58:33    1706326

That article is actually very poorly informed, hes talking about the ballymun kickhams of the early nineties, 20 years ago (who included gerry hargan, anto mccaul,etc and werent half as posh as moran tries to imply). I was talking about Setanta hurling club anyway, who recruited nearly all their players ffrom the flats when they stood, and Ballymun kickhams get more players from the flats/council houses than ever before.

i dont see where the idea that Sean o Brien is an ordinary lad either, hes a well off guy like all the country rugby players. theres plenty posh people in public schools.

I dont have any problem with rugby being elitist or posh or whatever (which it is) I just dislike the way it has to be shoved down our throats all day long.
Especially when its so cr*p

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 25/03/2015 11:36:20    1706359

24/03/2015 21:23:59 fabio8
so you dismiss anybody suggesting rugby is elitest yet you agree with a post that is largely a wind up banging on about a ban from 40 years ago?..strong argument there Rugby isn't elitist. If you think it is then you don't know what the word means. How is the sport elitist?
24/03/2015 21:32:32 fabio8
answer the question ormond..you were the 1 saying you could name loads of players earlier..we are still all waiting..its hilarious how you reinforced daytonas point Loads of players who play for who exactly?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/03/2015 21:21:09    1706625