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Replying To catch22:  "I remember Aidan O'Mahony doing the same in 2015 final. Complete cynical drag down and got black carded. He feigned injury after getting a light slap in 2008 semifinal and got a Cork player red carded. Total crookery and thems the boys who could teach you.
Tiernan McCann must have been watching."
For a small bit of ballance :

If we're that cynical a team then why was Murchain able to run from near enough his own 65 to score a goal without a glove laid upon him in the allireland final replay 2019?

Also Tom Flynn ran from his own half to score a goal in the 2014 allireland quarter final?

Kevin McMinamon in the allireland final of 2011 from midfield?

Oisín McConville in the allireland final of 2002.

Surely a cynical team would pulled those players down wouldn't they?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10367 - 12/02/2020 22:37:18    2267430

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Good article from Declan Bogue in the independent

https://m.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html"
Excellent article...highlights the cynicism of Kerry and the same Kerry players who are highlighted as perpetrators of cynical play are the ones who took to Twitter to castigate Tyrone at the weekend ..need we say more?

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1751 - 12/02/2020 23:01:26    2267434

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Replying To Ashrules:  "The type of incident where Clifford was targetted is in 99% of cases down to the manager and Tyrone under Harte have a track record of scummy stuff. And you can bullshit all you want about religion.

Players are briefed on what to expect from referees so Referees need to be briefed on what to expect from teams. It would lead to more fairness if the next referee they meet is aware that they may be up to this and be ready to dish out appropriate punishment . As opposed to been caught off guard"
So my friend .the antics if the Dublin forward line on mayos last kickout in the 2017 final is not scummy at all??

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1751 - 12/02/2020 23:03:32    2267435

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "For a small bit of ballance :

If we're that cynical a team then why was Murchain able to run from near enough his own 65 to score a goal without a glove laid upon him in the allireland final replay 2019?

Also Tom Flynn ran from his own half to score a goal in the 2014 allireland quarter final?

Kevin McMinamon in the allireland final of 2011 from midfield?

Oisín McConville in the allireland final of 2002.

Surely a cynical team would pulled those players down wouldn't they?"
Cos your lads couldnt catch them. Simple.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 427 - 13/02/2020 06:20:27    2267443

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "For a small bit of ballance :

If we're that cynical a team then why was Murchain able to run from near enough his own 65 to score a goal without a glove laid upon him in the allireland final replay 2019?

Also Tom Flynn ran from his own half to score a goal in the 2014 allireland quarter final?

Kevin McMinamon in the allireland final of 2011 from midfield?

Oisín McConville in the allireland final of 2002.

Surely a cynical team would pulled those players down wouldn't they?"
You left out the Nicolas Murphy incident there Tom for some reason. That's a bit more balance for you.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1172 - 13/02/2020 07:52:29    2267446

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "For a small bit of ballance :

If we're that cynical a team then why was Murchain able to run from near enough his own 65 to score a goal without a glove laid upon him in the allireland final replay 2019?

Also Tom Flynn ran from his own half to score a goal in the 2014 allireland quarter final?

Kevin McMinamon in the allireland final of 2011 from midfield?

Oisín McConville in the allireland final of 2002.

Surely a cynical team would pulled those players down wouldn't they?"
Murchan's goal was a perfect example of the black card doing its job. If it wasn't there, I've no doubt Moran would have pulled him down. The issue for Moran was it was only the start of the second half, there were 35+ minutes left, so he obviously didn't want to miss the whole of the most crucial half of football in the year. He took the chance, knowing that there was lots of time left and Murchan might not score. Interestingly, if there were only a few minutes left and the game was tight, I think he'd have taken him down.
Just pointing to random goals scored against you, doesn't prove a team isn't capable of cynicism. We'd have been well capable at times under Kevin Walsh, yet James Carr strolled 40 yards through our defence last summer to score a goal without a hand being laid on him.
Every team is at it, from the very worst to the best.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 656 - 13/02/2020 08:58:20    2267451

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Ha ha the usual we hate Kerry crew out in force again whenever Kerry play, even using an outrageous sending off on young David as an excuse to have another go and dragging up a hit from 11 years ago as some sort of ultimate proof!

God knows what will happen the next time Kerry win Sam, some of these craters might have a total breakdown :D

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5339 - 13/02/2020 09:51:53    2267457

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Ha ha the usual we hate Kerry crew out in force again whenever Kerry play, even using an outrageous sending off on young David as an excuse to have another go and dragging up a hit from 11 years ago as some sort of ultimate proof!

God knows what will happen the next time Kerry win Sam, some of these craters might have a total breakdown :D"
What about young Nicolas crater ?
Let's pretend young David is an angel. Another gobby lad I think you'll find.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1172 - 13/02/2020 10:15:33    2267461

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i think its time to move on lads

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1108 - 13/02/2020 10:37:50    2267469

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Would love to see a camera before the two lads start wrestling, Umpires being pilloried by lads who saw all the same angles i saw on the TV.

WunderBar (Galway) - Posts: 252 - 13/02/2020 11:15:00    2267478

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Replying To catch22:  "What about young Nicolas crater ?
Let's pretend young David is an angel. Another gobby lad I think you'll find."
I find it sad how much you actually HATE Kerry. You will laugh it off like you normally do. I've yet to see anything positive from you.

GreenAndGold74 (Kerry) - Posts: 122 - 13/02/2020 13:10:10    2267504

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Replying To GreenAndGold74:  "I find it sad how much you actually HATE Kerry. You will laugh it off like you normally do. I've yet to see anything positive from you."
HATE Kerry ?
Why would you think that. I'm not going to laugh or cry about it one way or the other let me assure you.
What I would say is there are a few buckos from your county who don't exactly , how shall we say, enamour themselves to the broader Hoganstand community and they'd be the ones, if you gave two hoots about how your good county is perceived, and had the balls to face up to them, that you'd be better off tackling.
Tis sad alright, but I doubt you'll be doing your bit to tell these boyos where to get off.
Good luck now , and all the best for the future.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1172 - 13/02/2020 14:43:45    2267524

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Replying To catch22:  "HATE Kerry ?
Why would you think that. I'm not going to laugh or cry about it one way or the other let me assure you.
What I would say is there are a few buckos from your county who don't exactly , how shall we say, enamour themselves to the broader Hoganstand community and they'd be the ones, if you gave two hoots about how your good county is perceived, and had the balls to face up to them, that you'd be better off tackling.
Tis sad alright, but I doubt you'll be doing your bit to tell these boyos where to get off.
Good luck now , and all the best for the future."
I rest my case lol.

GreenAndGold74 (Kerry) - Posts: 122 - 13/02/2020 15:24:00    2267532

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Murchan's goal was a perfect example of the black card doing its job. If it wasn't there, I've no doubt Moran would have pulled him down. The issue for Moran was it was only the start of the second half, there were 35+ minutes left, so he obviously didn't want to miss the whole of the most crucial half of football in the year. He took the chance, knowing that there was lots of time left and Murchan might not score. Interestingly, if there were only a few minutes left and the game was tight, I think he'd have taken him down.
Just pointing to random goals scored against you, doesn't prove a team isn't capable of cynicism. We'd have been well capable at times under Kevin Walsh, yet James Carr strolled 40 yards through our defence last summer to score a goal without a hand being laid on him.
Every team is at it, from the very worst to the best."
I never once said we weren't a cynical team because we are, the same way as all teams are cynical.

A couple of posters came on here and suggested we were the worst which I disagree with and they gave some examples so just to give a bit of ballance I gave ye a few examples how we're not that bad at all.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10367 - 13/02/2020 15:46:50    2267537

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A clean team of footballers who wouldn't pull a mans jersey are lets face it unlikely to win anything....
I think all the great teams have an edge to them, you take your advantage when you can, do what it takes to get over the line...nice boys win nothing, our All Ireland winning teams were ten times more dirty than this current squad.

Game2Halves (Tyrone) - Posts: 265 - 13/02/2020 16:35:51    2267543

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I never once said we weren't a cynical team because we are, the same way as all teams are cynical.

A couple of posters came on here and suggested we were the worst which I disagree with and they gave some examples so just to give a bit of ballance I gave ye a few examples how we're not that bad at all."
Pulling a few examples of goals, one of which is almost 20 years ago doesn't really make any argument. People may be having more digs at Kerry here, but other counties get a far worse deal from the media. That probably stirs some of the backlash on the forum.
I'd doubt Kerry are the most cynical team in the country, but then I couldn't really tell you who is. What I will say is I've seen blatant examples from any team I've watched live.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 656 - 13/02/2020 21:13:51    2267581

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Murchan's goal was a perfect example of the black card doing its job. If it wasn't there, I've no doubt Moran would have pulled him down. The issue for Moran was it was only the start of the second half, there were 35+ minutes left, so he obviously didn't want to miss the whole of the most crucial half of football in the year. He took the chance, knowing that there was lots of time left and Murchan might not score. Interestingly, if there were only a few minutes left and the game was tight, I think he'd have taken him down.
Just pointing to random goals scored against you, doesn't prove a team isn't capable of cynicism. We'd have been well capable at times under Kevin Walsh, yet James Carr strolled 40 yards through our defence last summer to score a goal without a hand being laid on him.
Every team is at it, from the very worst to the best."
Murchan wasnt caught because he was playing rugby taking as many steps as he liked

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 14/02/2020 09:15:54    2267613

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The fact of all this is that the Tyrone sub was caught blatantly on tv doing what he was told to do by Micky Harte. The ever so nice Micky Harte!


Typical they can't just own it and admit that their player was caught on blatant tv acting the b****x and David Clifford got punished more for it. Spouting Kerry are more cynical bla bla bla.

Hopefully this incident is a date that will be marked in umpire and referee performances when the fouled player stops getting a yellow for rubbish like this.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 14/02/2020 09:21:05    2267614

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Replying To Game2Halves:  "A clean team of footballers who wouldn't pull a mans jersey are lets face it unlikely to win anything....
I think all the great teams have an edge to them, you take your advantage when you can, do what it takes to get over the line...nice boys win nothing, our All Ireland winning teams were ten times more dirty than this current squad."
Agreed. You won't win anything without a bit of dort.

Always baffles me if anyone call this current Tyrone team dirty or cynical. We are anything but. I think we've been found wanting on that extra bit of aggression in recent years particularly the all Ireland semi v Kerry last year.

OGarmaile (Tyrone) - Posts: 210 - 14/02/2020 09:40:28    2267615

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Replying To woops:  "The fact of all this is that the Tyrone sub was caught blatantly on tv doing what he was told to do by Micky Harte. The ever so nice Micky Harte!


Typical they can't just own it and admit that their player was caught on blatant tv acting the b****x and David Clifford got punished more for it. Spouting Kerry are more cynical bla bla bla.

Hopefully this incident is a date that will be marked in umpire and referee performances when the fouled player stops getting a yellow for rubbish like this."
The fact of all this is that the Tyrone sub was caught blatantly on tv doing what he was told to do by Micky Harte. The ever so nice Micky Harte!

How do you know this? You're making a gross assumption. When any of the Kerry lads cynical foul, do you believe Peter Keane sends them out to foul or are you reserving that judgement for Mickey Harte?

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 427 - 14/02/2020 09:41:34    2267616

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