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As a neutral watching the Clifford incident, Ciaran Whelan was correct, a shocking decision. That ref & set of umpires were way off the mark, no doubt the GAA will probably give the officiating of the All Ireland final to them now after all the grief they are rightly getting.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 10/02/2020 00:17:25    2266652

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https://www.the42.ie/dublin-kerry-division-1-report-4979984-Jan2020

Far more shenanigans in the recent Dublin Kerry game - obviously, no torrent of outrage about that #doublestandards

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 663 - 10/02/2020 05:31:48    2266660

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Was nice to get the win. Some good scores taken especially McCurrys from the sideline. As good a point as Clifford or Maurice Fitz scored but he'll probably not get lauded as much for it. Some questionable calls from the officials but sure it went both ways. I'm glad to see some posters on here can be honest in regards to styles of play etc and Kerry folk needn't think their lads are saints out there cos everybody's aware of how you "get the job done" in many's a game. You're no worse or better than any other outfit when it comes to doing what you have to do in order to win. We've been watching Kerry do it for years and nobody buys your protestations of innocence. Clifford needs to learn to control himself if he wants to realize his potential. That's 2 games out of 3 where he's got tangled up but sure just blame the other team,ref,or umpires if you want and see how that ends up. Anyhow I thought it was a fair enough game for early February considering the weather and that......

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4199 - 10/02/2020 06:18:41    2266662

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Can anyone source the link to the first replay of the incident on TG4 yesterday? Clearly showed Clifford initiating this particular exchange - people seem to be pretending they didn't see it?

ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 15 - 10/02/2020 08:30:15    2266672

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Replying To essmac:  "Selective editing at its best - he started it."
Prove it!

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 427 - 10/02/2020 08:38:44    2266673

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Replying To Smiler21:  "Wise up. David Clifford shouldn't have got involved. It was handbag stuff. I suppose if it a monaghan player on top of him you would be ok with the outcome."
It looked pretty bad to me tbh but perhaps that's what's classified as handbags in Tyrone.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 734 - 10/02/2020 08:48:16    2266675

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "There's a different angle of this that shows Cifford charge into the Tyrone player - can you source it?"
No only saw this one - did Clifford put his hands around his neck?

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 734 - 10/02/2020 08:50:10    2266676

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Replying To greysoil:  "No only saw this one - did Clifford put his hands around his neck?"
No. Clifford charges into his chest, Tyrone player wrestles him to the ground before any neck grabbing. I'm not condoning that of course, just merely pointing out that he does charge into the Tyrone man first, off the ball, which warrants a yellow and is a very silly thing to do when on a yellow.

ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 15 - 10/02/2020 09:26:23    2266688

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Laughing here, zero self awareness, you'd swear Kerry were some expansive creative team, they are a blanket defensive outfit, with high levels of cynicism, Paul Murphy and Sean O Shea in particular are tasked with pulling players down if they are going to run at the Kerry back line. Definitely not in a position to be telling other counties how to play the game.

Short memories to, the ref in the semi final last year was one of the worst performances I think I ever saw in Croke Park, then I went to the two finals. ;)

Having played both quite a bit recently, I'd be more fearful of Tyrone then Kerry."
Good point regarding our semi final with Kerry last year. Seemed to escape the attention of the media. Especially the persistent off the ball fouling of Peter Harte,

OGarmaile (Tyrone) - Posts: 210 - 10/02/2020 09:28:13    2266689

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Replying To essmac:  "Yes, it reads like a personal blog by a teenager"
I thought the same, partial rant with some reporting ...who writes these articles ? There doesn't appear to be any credits or author provided.

nokia (Tyrone) - Posts: 7 - 10/02/2020 10:06:20    2266701

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "No. Clifford charges into his chest, Tyrone player wrestles him to the ground before any neck grabbing. I'm not condoning that of course, just merely pointing out that he does charge into the Tyrone man first, off the ball, which warrants a yellow and is a very silly thing to do when on a yellow."
Didn't see that, it's definitely not in the match coverage, was it phone footage or something?

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1727 - 10/02/2020 10:20:55    2266711

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Replying To nokia:  "I thought the same, partial rant with some reporting ...who writes these articles ? There doesn't appear to be any credits or author provided."
Just read it in its entirety there - I think there must be a 16 year old from Tralee on work experience this week!!

ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 15 - 10/02/2020 10:32:56    2266716

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Didn't see that, it's definitely not in the match coverage, was it phone footage or something?"
It was definitely during the match coverage yesterday on TG4, very short replay before the ref had spoken to the umpires etc - I clearly remember it because I commented on Clifford pushing into the Tyrone man so initiating physical contact. It would be great if someone had that recorded. I don't know if something happened just prior to that to get a reaction from Clifford, I'd imagine there was. My point is that if what I saw was right, then the yellow was appropriate in this instance.
It's all a horrible part of the game and we shouldn't have to expect our best players to have to 'keep their discipline' but every team is at it unfortunately.
I watch Jamie Clarke get abused every game with Armagh but I also see our defence dish it out. Don't think there's a county that can deny the same.
As much as I'm not exactly Tyrone's biggest fan, I do think they take an unfair portion of the blame for this carry-on although at times don't help themselves (Jordan dive vs Armagh / McCann hair-gate vs Monaghan etc).

ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 15 - 10/02/2020 11:04:35    2266733

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "Can anyone source the link to the first replay of the incident on TG4 yesterday? Clearly showed Clifford initiating this particular exchange - people seem to be pretending they didn't see it?"
If you saw it on tg4 you should be able to source it???

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 183 - 10/02/2020 11:40:47    2266748

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "It was definitely during the match coverage yesterday on TG4, very short replay before the ref had spoken to the umpires etc - I clearly remember it because I commented on Clifford pushing into the Tyrone man so initiating physical contact. It would be great if someone had that recorded. I don't know if something happened just prior to that to get a reaction from Clifford, I'd imagine there was. My point is that if what I saw was right, then the yellow was appropriate in this instance.
It's all a horrible part of the game and we shouldn't have to expect our best players to have to 'keep their discipline' but every team is at it unfortunately.
I watch Jamie Clarke get abused every game with Armagh but I also see our defence dish it out. Don't think there's a county that can deny the same.
As much as I'm not exactly Tyrone's biggest fan, I do think they take an unfair portion of the blame for this carry-on although at times don't help themselves (Jordan dive vs Armagh / McCann hair-gate vs Monaghan etc)."
I have it recorded so I'll have a look later. I can't say I remember seeing it the first time.

I'd agree some of the stuff being said about Tyrone is uncalled for. Equally, those using the whole thing as a prompt to have a good spiteful rant about Kerry are out of order.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1727 - 10/02/2020 11:47:46    2266752

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Replying To essmac:  "Selective editing at its best - he started it."
It does look like Clifford approaches the Tyrone lad and instigates, he comes of the worse of the tussle, but if he doesnt instigate hes not in that position.

Ive also seen some differing timeline clips, some make it look like the Tyrone defender just pulls down Clifford the others show Clifford approaching the Tyrone lad.

Anyway im sure it will all be forgotten soon, all this fury its about getting Clifford of an additional ban for confronting and verbally abusing the officials.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3243 - 10/02/2020 11:58:27    2266756

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Replying To Smiler21:  "Wise up. David Clifford shouldn't have got involved. It was handbag stuff. I suppose if it a monaghan player on top of him you would be ok with the outcome."
How do you avoid getting involved if someone puts you in a Half Nelson?

It's time to do away with umpires, 99 per cent of them are the square root of pure useless anyway, this incident being a case in point.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 1701 - 10/02/2020 12:59:52    2266769

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The only footage I've seen doesn't show how the tussle started. What are people basing their opinions on?

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 276 - 10/02/2020 13:26:01    2266777

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Would make no sense for Kerry's best player to go looking for trouble when he is on a yellow and the game is in the mix.

Enjoyed the game despite that bit of gamesmanship and tyrone were full value for their win. That number 12 can take a nice score- sweet striker of the ball. Let's hope they can be as intense against kerry in the championship if they happen to meet again when it actually matters.

tulachmhór (Offaly) - Posts: 134 - 10/02/2020 13:31:35    2266785

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Replying To Gleebo:  "How do you avoid getting involved if someone puts you in a Half Nelson?

It's time to do away with umpires, 99 per cent of them are the square root of pure useless anyway, this incident being a case in point."
there wasn't much comment from you Mayo lads when Lee Keegan targeted Sean Cavanagh in the 2016 semi final
or the all Ireland semi final last year when Peter Harte was singled out by this white than white Kerry team

Not to say anything about how Keegan was always sent out to target Diarmuid Connolly

People in glass houses and all that

redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts: 165 - 10/02/2020 13:44:05    2266788

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