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https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/bernard-flynn-column-pride-passion-14087867
Good analysis here from Bernard Flynn on Meath, where we are, where we can from and where we going
The telling point from my point of view, is that unless you are dedicated to the Meath shirt and willing to do whatever it takes you need not apply, this explains some of the players who are maybe not on team, it's total dedication, this also explains why Meath are progressing, are the some players in Meath who may be better than some on panel? Probably, are the players who are dedicated more to who are not on the panel? Definitely not. (Of course i am leaving aside those who are studying or taken a year off to travel) for first time probably since boylan Meath are a united team all working towards same goals. For that we owe Andy McEntee a huge debt of gratitude

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 05/03/2019 10:08:56    2170336

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This is going to be a tight end to the league. I think that Armagh are not going to be turned over that easily at home v Fermanagh. I think that Cork likewise are not going to be turned over at home to us, and we have a very in and out away record in the league. Meath should beat clare leaving them certs to go to the last day under no pressure and with the ability to experiment v Fermanagh. Really hard to call the finalists.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3621 - 05/03/2019 19:17:37    2170460

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If Meath win in ennis and either of Fermanagh or donegal get beat (or in donegal case draw) we are promoted with one game to go. Can't ask for anything more from the lads this year, there is still tha worry though about the head to head, I don't want a ball slipping through legs to come back to haunt us.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 07/03/2019 09:21:28    2170770

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Replying To royaldunne:  "If Meath win in ennis and either of Fermanagh or donegal get beat (or in donegal case draw) we are promoted with one game to go. Can't ask for anything more from the lads this year, there is still tha worry though about the head to head, I don't want a ball slipping through legs to come back to haunt us."
So long as we win and you don't lose we're up. If we win and ye lose and Donegal win we're not up. It's squeaky bum time atm. Didn't think I would be saying this with two games left to go in the league.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4968 - 07/03/2019 09:32:21    2170775

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I think Meath are in the best position obviously given that they'd be expected to take care of Clare and with their superior points difference should be ok. There's a lot to be said for having your destiny in your own hands. If they win 2 games they're up simple as that.

For ourselves and Fermanagh it's a different story. Armagh away will be very tricky as will Cork away for us. Both teams are fighting for their lives and who knows what could happen.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6454 - 07/03/2019 10:02:58    2170781

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Replying To gotmilk:  "So long as we win and you don't lose we're up. If we win and ye lose and Donegal win we're not up. It's squeaky bum time atm. Didn't think I would be saying this with two games left to go in the league."
Let's just hope cork do us both a massive favor. And we will have a party in navan on the last day :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 07/03/2019 11:00:32    2170810

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I think Meath are in the best position obviously given that they'd be expected to take care of Clare and with their superior points difference should be ok. There's a lot to be said for having your destiny in your own hands. If they win 2 games they're up simple as that.

For ourselves and Fermanagh it's a different story. Armagh away will be very tricky as will Cork away for us. Both teams are fighting for their lives and who knows what could happen."
Yes we are in a good position but nothing is achieved yet.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 07/03/2019 11:05:58    2170814

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Replying To Matthew:  "Don't be encouraging RD... Won't be long before he starts. Be a long few months with him saying Meath will go up to D1. I'll be stunned if they go up. If they stay in D2 they will be doing very well. Now or never for McEntee. The Meath fans were crying out for him and I haven't seen much progress with him. However, Meath are doing very well at underage the last few years so you'd be expecting them to improve over the next 3 years."
Well Matthew my old friend. hope you not too stunned with 2 matches left

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 07/03/2019 11:23:45    2170819

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well Matthew my old friend. hope you not too stunned with 2 matches left"
To be fair, Meath are doing very well and shouldn't have dropped any points. That win against Kildare was absolutely massive and I think it could be a turning point for this squad. McEntee is doing its his way and giving youth a chance. I first hand saw some of the Meath underage teams in recent years and they have put in the work there & they may well get the due rewards over the next 2/3 years. Cian McBride is a super talent coming through, that's if you can keep the AFL scouts away from him!! I do feel Meath, Westmeath and Kildare are improving which is great for football in Leinster.

I hope you will be shouting for the county you're living in for the last number of years on Sunday week?! With you living in Castledaly, you hardly know why Holloway is not playing for Westmeath this year? He is a massive loss to Westmeath.

Matthew (None) - Posts: 896 - 07/03/2019 12:08:19    2170833

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Replying To gotmilk:  "So long as we win and you don't lose we're up. If we win and ye lose and Donegal win we're not up. It's squeaky bum time atm. Didn't think I would be saying this with two games left to go in the league."
It would have to be a pretty unique combination of results .. including savage winning margins and narrow winning margins in the right places to prevent us from going up if we beat Armagh ..I think we need to approach the Armagh game as just another Ulster derby though and I do expect a big Travelling support for that one given the weekend that's in it and the role we are on and that no one saw it coming.. I'm sure it won't come to it but what is the capacity of Cross anyway !! .. and are there any Armagh posters about !! ??

KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 169 - 07/03/2019 12:48:39    2170841

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Replying To KeshGFC:  "It would have to be a pretty unique combination of results .. including savage winning margins and narrow winning margins in the right places to prevent us from going up if we beat Armagh ..I think we need to approach the Armagh game as just another Ulster derby though and I do expect a big Travelling support for that one given the weekend that's in it and the role we are on and that no one saw it coming.. I'm sure it won't come to it but what is the capacity of Cross anyway !! .. and are there any Armagh posters about !! ??"
If we beat Armagh, Meath lose and Donegal win we have to get something from the Meath game as all teams could potentially finish on 10. Our score difference wouldn't be strong enough in my opinion to get us up if Meath beat us. However if we win and Meath don't lose three teams can't finish on 10 points no matter what happens and that's us up. So a Fermanagh win and anything but a Meath loss and we can celebrate Paddies day in style.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4968 - 07/03/2019 13:00:27    2170844

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Replying To Matthew:  "To be fair, Meath are doing very well and shouldn't have dropped any points. That win against Kildare was absolutely massive and I think it could be a turning point for this squad. McEntee is doing its his way and giving youth a chance. I first hand saw some of the Meath underage teams in recent years and they have put in the work there & they may well get the due rewards over the next 2/3 years. Cian McBride is a super talent coming through, that's if you can keep the AFL scouts away from him!! I do feel Meath, Westmeath and Kildare are improving which is great for football in Leinster.

I hope you will be shouting for the county you're living in for the last number of years on Sunday week?! With you living in Castledaly, you hardly know why Holloway is not playing for Westmeath this year? He is a massive loss to Westmeath."
Big loss to Westmeath alright. I would love to see Westmeath promoted, I know jack quite well from different things and a gentleman is the least I can describe him as. So yes I will be shouting them on, and hopefully they get promoted and don't have to play us next year :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 07/03/2019 14:52:25    2170876

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Replying To gotmilk:  "If we beat Armagh, Meath lose and Donegal win we have to get something from the Meath game as all teams could potentially finish on 10. Our score difference wouldn't be strong enough in my opinion to get us up if Meath beat us. However if we win and Meath don't lose three teams can't finish on 10 points no matter what happens and that's us up. So a Fermanagh win and anything but a Meath loss and we can celebrate Paddies day in style."
i agree with your Maths but dont share your optimism about Donegal being capable of winning by enough over remaining games to overturn the scoring diff between us, unless we get hammered which again I cant see. Your Maths is right but the odds are stacked against it. Shorter odds on us losing remaining matches though ! ( I didnt say short odds ...just shortER)

KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 169 - 07/03/2019 15:21:55    2170883

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Replying To gotmilk:  "If we beat Armagh, Meath lose and Donegal win we have to get something from the Meath game as all teams could potentially finish on 10. Our score difference wouldn't be strong enough in my opinion to get us up if Meath beat us. However if we win and Meath don't lose three teams can't finish on 10 points no matter what happens and that's us up. So a Fermanagh win and anything but a Meath loss and we can celebrate Paddies day in style."
Every permutation leaves a different potential outcome. Very interesting right up till end.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 07/03/2019 15:37:39    2170887

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Seems if it is all square on 10 points at the end of the campaign then Fermanagh and Meath almost certainly will go through due to differential. We would have to hammer both cork away and Kildare at home. Not going to happen.

If we are level with Fermanagh on the last day and Meath top the group then they go through.

If we are level with Meath and Fermanagh top the group then we go through.

So to conclude, Donegal have to win both games and then hope that Meath finish in 2nd place, or Fermanagh drop 3 points rather than 2.


Basically if Fermanagh and Meath win this weekend, we are stuck in division 2 in all likelihood.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3621 - 07/03/2019 17:48:28    2170931

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Replying To royaldunne:  "If Meath win in ennis and either of Fermanagh or donegal get beat (or in donegal case draw) we are promoted with one game to go. Can't ask for anything more from the lads this year, there is still tha worry though about the head to head, I don't want a ball slipping through legs to come back to haunt us."
In fairness the keeper should have done better I agree but feel Caolan McGonagle not got the credit he deserves for that goal. If u watch it he tracked ball from out the field and got a brilliant touch on the ball to direct between ur keepers legs. Should never have had that opportunity if the Meath keeper was more commanding like he should have been but was still an excellent piece of play from McGonagle.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2063 - 07/03/2019 18:57:50    2170945

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I think Meath are in the best position obviously given that they'd be expected to take care of Clare and with their superior points difference should be ok. There's a lot to be said for having your destiny in your own hands. If they win 2 games they're up simple as that.

For ourselves and Fermanagh it's a different story. Armagh away will be very tricky as will Cork away for us. Both teams are fighting for their lives and who knows what could happen."
I don't think Clare will be a gimme especially with the game in Ennis. Their league record there in the last couple of years not to be sniffed at. No easy remaining games for either of Donegal, Meath or Fermanagh.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2063 - 07/03/2019 19:01:01    2170948

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Replying To panamasam:  "I don't think Clare will be a gimme especially with the game in Ennis. Their league record there in the last couple of years not to be sniffed at. No easy remaining games for either of Donegal, Meath or Fermanagh."
Agreed no easy games. But our form against Clare has actually been very good last two years we hammered them and once in ennis, however as they say past performance is no guarantee of future performance.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 07/03/2019 19:58:35    2170953

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Allianz FL Division 2 round 6
Clare v Meath, Cusack Park, 2pm Clare by 1 point
Cork v Donegal, Pairc Ui Rinn, 2pm Cork by 1 point
Kildare v Tipperary, Newbridge, 2.30pm Kildare by 3 points
Armagh v Fermanagh, Athletic Grounds, 3pm Armagh by 1 point

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2681 - 07/03/2019 20:47:41    2170958

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Allianz FL Division 2 round 6
Clare v Meath, Cusack Park, 2pm Clare by 1 point
Cork v Donegal, Pairc Ui Rinn, 2pm Cork by 1 point
Kildare v Tipperary, Newbridge, 2.30pm Kildare by 3 points
Armagh v Fermanagh, Athletic Grounds, 3pm Armagh by 1 point"
Well I know who I WONT be asking for a tip for the gold cup from.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 07/03/2019 22:20:51    2170971

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