Now that the championships and the Leagues are drawing to a close, what are peoples expectations, hopes, predictions and thoughts about the new campaigns?
What should we be hoping for in Minor, Under 21, Senior, and Ladies football?
What should be the minimum from each grade?

cav01 (Cavan) - Posts: 325 - 01/09/2011 12:40:29    1024632

I expect to be looking for a new Manager, if lucky avoid relgation to Divison 4, and a similar run in the championship to this years.

cavangaafan (Cavan) - Posts: 218 - 01/09/2011 12:55:52    1024644

some decent performances from our seniors for a change. we really should be pushing for promotion to div 2. in the championship I can't see us doing anything yet.
the minors are always there or thereabouts

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 01/09/2011 14:20:42    1024731

as underage is more important to Cavan at this time....I would hope for
- minors to back up....say ulster final appearance
- U21s to be competitive...maybe go close to ulster

as for seniors.....dont expect much based on club football standard and current available talent so
- survive in Div 3 ( could be very tight for us)
- be somewhat competitive in 1st round and qualifiers ( unlike the patheticness of this year)

DD10 (Cavan) - Posts: 130 - 01/09/2011 16:00:17    1024848

I hope we get promoted our younger seniors have championship experience now and we will be a lot better.

I expect another strong year for the U21s

Cavanexcuse for a fan and Blue1947 what makes you decide which username to use?

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 01/09/2011 17:11:33    1024942

Hopefully we can build on the success of the Minors and the Under 21 and acheive something at senior level.
Having said that I would be worried about sacrificing the success of these grades in an all or nothing bid to give some success to the seniors, especially at the Under 21 level. I would think that the under 21 from last year that are now too old to play at Under 21 next year should be enough 'new' players going into the Seniors.
Barry Reilly has already said he wants to concentrate on the under 21's, but what happens if the seniors call on others such as Jack Brady, Packie Leady, Fergal flanaghan, michael Brady and other players under the age of 21. Will they be removed from the under 21 grade and put with the Seniors? Will they be exposed to what sounds like a very toxic set up at Senior level? Will a push for promotion next year (and a desire for short term success)be at the cost of real long term success?

blue1947 (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 01/09/2011 17:25:56    1024961

I wouldn't read too much into underage success, it is second nature to some counties, Galway are a case in point. Every year they're U21's and minors do very well, 3 AI U21 titles in the last 10 years. In fact a minor final doesnt even arouse much interest in the county anymore. But they cant do it at senior level for whatever reason.

Judging by what I've seen of Cavan this year, and taking on board what people like Martin McHugh have said, progress would be staying in Div 3, lucky to stay in it this year, and getting walloped in a derby on our home ground. Things are indeed so bad we were the curtain raiser to Meath in Breffni park, now thats gotta hurt. We're currently rated in the bottom 4 teams in Ireland, so we're going nowhere fast with the current crop.

Positives?

I suppose the U21 panel seem to be well integrated, and work hard on the field for each other. Theres a hunger among the younger lads, but I think all the deadwood has to be turfed out before a resurgence can begin.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 01/09/2011 17:48:22    1024993

Med are you another of Cavangaafans aliases like blue1947 above

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 01/09/2011 18:06:34    1025006

ochonlir
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Med are you another of Cavangaafans aliases like blue1947 above

No, I only discovered this forum on the recommendations of a friend. I am a proud Gael, and a proud Breffni man. I want whats best for Cavan football, but over the years I have come to the conclusion that this county suffers from a "too many cooks" syndrome? Would you agree? We have good footballing people but everyone seems to have different views and opinions, spite and bitterness are rampant in Cavan GAA circles, so everyone is pulling in different directions if you read me?

I am also familiar with Galway GAA circles, and I have seen so many promising teams from that county fail at senior level. Winning trophies at underage is second nature to them, yet they come up short at senior, and thats where I would warn people in Cavan about expecting good things in the future. By all means underage success is a help, but it guarantees nothing like some naive people think.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 01/09/2011 18:27:33    1025026

Galway, underage success dosen't seem to bleed into success at senior level, because fundamentally, the approaches between the two grades in Galway are too great.
The same appears to be happening in Cavan,
With the Minor and under 21 managers praised for instilling belief, and passion, whereas the Senior manager critized because of players attitude problems, and player's lack of committment.
Minor and under 21 managers seem to take the approach of give us what is out there and we will shape, mould, coach and instil, the needed ability and belief into the players, whereas it sould like the senior managres are saying that what we have isn't good enought.
Minor managers, we'll make them good enought.
senior managers, Players lack the nessessary disapline...
under 21 managers, we'll teach them disapline
Senior Managers, the player are just not strong enough
minor managers, we'll help them to get stronger
Senior managers, there just isn't the talent out there
Under 21 managers, we will work with them to improve their skill levels.

two fundamentally differant approaches, two fundamentally differant results

blue1947 (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 01/09/2011 18:37:13    1025040

blue1947
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Ah here man, some clarity and coherency in your posts would go a long way. As it stands I cannot make head nor tail of that post above.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 01/09/2011 19:06:58    1025059

A hurling team.

breffni666 (Cavan) - Posts: 294 - 01/09/2011 19:24:02    1025075

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blue1947
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Ah here man, some clarity and coherency in your posts would go a long way. As it stands I cannot make head nor tail of that post above.

in summary, the senior managers in both Galway and Cavan, think that the players at their disposal should already be the finished article, whereas in both counties the underage manager focus on helping players improve. Galway and Cavan will not replicate the success of ther underage teams until they appoint managers at the senior grade who understand that it is their job to teach, mould, improve and instil ability and belief into the senior players.

blue1947 (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 01/09/2011 19:51:56    1025089

blue1947
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blue1947
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Ah here man, some clarity and coherency in your posts would go a long way. As it stands I cannot make head nor tail of that post above.

in summary, the senior managers in both Galway and Cavan, think that the players at their disposal should already be the finished article, whereas in both counties the underage manager focus on helping players improve. Galway and Cavan will not replicate the success of ther underage teams until they appoint managers at the senior grade who understand that it is their job to teach, mould, improve and instil ability and belief into the senior players.

Have you now, yes I would agree with your analysis, we saw what Jim Mc Guiness did with Donegal U21's and he brought Murphy, Paddy McBrearty, Molloy, Mc Cloone, and Mark Mc Hugh to senior level with him and worked wonders.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 01/09/2011 20:33:52    1025122

If you have success with the players at underage with a certain approach then repeat the approach with the same players for a better chance of success in the senior grade.
Cavan Under 21's 2004, 2005,2006,2007,2008,2009...didn't win a single game in the championship.
In 2010, the Chairman installed Terry Hyland as the Manager, who in two years brought the team to an all-ireland final. My understanding of his management team is that they are focused on improving individual players and therefore the whole team.
In 2011 tom reilly installed dermot mc Cabe as Minor manager, whose management team focused on improving the beliefs of the team, and on converting the players they had (most of whom were mid-fielders) into strong players in all positions.
the present senior management team comp[lain that the talent isn't there in cavan, that players are not good/strong/passionate enought... and that they were dealt a poor hand. a poor work man blames his tool.

blue1947 (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 01/09/2011 21:41:55    1025204

no games the week of the fleadh..if we get the fleadh

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1750 - 02/09/2011 10:06:28    1025293

blue1947
County: Cavan
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If you have success with the players at underage with a certain approach then repeat the approach with the same players for a better chance of success in the senior grade.
Cavan Under 21's 2004, 2005,2006,2007,2008,2009...didn't win a single game in the championship.
In 2010, the Chairman installed Terry Hyland as the Manager, who in two years brought the team to an all-ireland final. My understanding of his management team is that they are focused on improving individual players and therefore the whole team.
In 2011 tom reilly installed dermot mc Cabe as Minor manager, whose management team focused on improving the beliefs of the team, and on converting the players they had (most of whom were mid-fielders) into strong players in all positions.
the present senior management team comp[lain that the talent isn't there in cavan, that players are not good/strong/passionate enought... and that they were dealt a poor hand. a poor work man blames his tool.


Spot on with that assessment, Donegal adapted a defensive destructive approach because they admitted themselves they do not have skillfully gifted footballers, but it works for them and it took them to an AI semi final. Kildare are similar that way, not to many gifted individuals but they have a system thats hard to beat. Its the future of Gaelic football like it or not, teams are going to become a lot more defensive if the players are technically inept.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 02/09/2011 10:25:43    1025309

If we're going to move forward then the Minors need to reach the AI semis, U21's need to win the AI, seniors need league promotion, win at least their frist round UC game and two qualifers in the event of exiting the UC. This would represent continued momentum for me, but looking at it you have to be honest and say that it's a tough ask. Anything less is a backward step from this year.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 471 - 02/09/2011 12:10:51    1025383

Ned ......blue1947 and Cavangaafan is the same poster and had a seedy little agenda and bad mouths individuals


There is more than one way to skin a cat, Jim McGuinness took over a team that had played in Div1 and 2 for several years the current Cavan manager took over a team languishing in div 3

I believe he is taking the same approach as Roscommon by giving experience to the younger players, a painful strategy but more likely to succeed than expecting div 3 players to win Ulster.

Don't be taken in by that joker

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 02/09/2011 17:44:44    1025732

Wow, you really are a scared little man, believing that because people have opinions that are differant to yours that they must be part of a seedy conspiracy.
Now you believe that anyone who disagrees with you is just another embodiment of the same person. Next Cavan fan with also be the man on the grassy knoll, and I will be jimmy hoffa, and ned will be Shargar.
grow up man and stop seeing ghosts.

blue1947 (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 02/09/2011 17:52:09    1025737