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Replying To Blackspot09: "Couldn't agree more. Young player with potential who had a decent breakthrough year at a significantly lower level to the level we are currently playing at and hopefully will develop into a top midfielder for us but now all of a sudden he's the saviour of our midfield." Are you kidding me. He is a foot taller than other midfielders. We all saw the Tailteann cup final against Down.
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Replying To Blackspot09: "Conor Grey is not making the match day squads. Simple." It's not simple
We have many players who are anonymous in games. Get him on the pitch. I don't want to name names but I go to 90% + of league and championship games and there's plenty of players who make minimal impact.
Midfield is a big problem for us. Westmeath, Monaghan, Louth AND Offaly all had the upper hand for the majority of the games. Swap out a half forward and get Conor Grey on the field.
cabbage (Meath) - Posts: 167 - 14/04/2025 19:14:14
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Replying To mmc: "I take it by you asking that you believe yesterday's starting 15 done well and you'd start the same 15 .
It was said to me by an ex Offaly county player at half time that we were the poorest team he saw all year .
We have injuries and hopefully 1 or two of them will be back but we have under performed since the westmeath game for what ever reason but some more than others .
As I said Costello was outstanding and the changes in the second half worked I believe we finished with a stronger team than we started ." Obviously at half time he said this. Did he have anything to say at fulltime. In reality game has to be looked as a whole. First half while poor was against a stiff breeze and Meath had 4 or 5 efforts before scoring 1st point. With no wind, many of these would be Scores. Were Offaly as bad in the 2nd as Meath in the first? The scoreboard says Meath were 7 pts the better team in the end and that's all that counts. As a forward with space and time and breeze on your back its easy to score with the opposite true if not.
Meath are far from the finished product but are showing some signs of progress. A strong performance against a struggling Dublin side would emphasise this more but Meath are probably still the 3rd best team in Leinster behind Louth also. Let's see what the next few months bring but I'd be more on the positive side of things than negative.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 623 - 14/04/2025 19:16:19
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Replying To brian: "I just can't make any sense of this team, and I'm not sure where they are at all. First 35 minutes yesterday and they'd struggle to win a game in the Talltin cup, never mind Sam. All the old failings were back, lack of intensity, miles of the opponents, terrible wides and an over all malaise, carrying ball into the tackle etc. Second 35 minutes and everything started coming off, they looked sharper and more focused and dialled in.
I agree with posters that are saying certain players are being carried right now, and calling for players to be taken out of the team and replaced unfortunately you're taking a player of equal ability out to be replaced by a guy of about equal standard. Meath have no division one calibre players and that's an honest assessment they've a couple of top end division two guys and the rest are hard honest triers but not getting you anywhere close to a top 10 team. The top 10 is well defined and Louth are making the jump towards them. We're bunched in a group with Cork, Cavan, Westmeath, Down, Offaly and Kildare. Too good for the Tailteann but not good enough for Sam. And don't come at me about league position, Louth walloped us and we're missing several front line guys including their talisman in Sam Mulroy.
For the Dublin game, Adam O'Neill has to start. It's a travesty that he's sitting in the stands. Dunno if there's still injury concerns or he ant play 70 minutes but start him at least and let him play until he can't. Doesn't matter if he's 3,6 or 8/9.. get your best guys on the field. I'd also bring in Daithi McGowan at 12. He can fetch a ball and score from distance. He's no world beater but he has ability. James McEntee is another option I'd look at including, in the half forward line. Kinsella, Moriarty and Curtis are honest players but not going to be good enough to beat a Dublin, neither are Lynch or Conlon, we've seen that movie before, but Robbie has to go with some combination of those guys. Are any of those 5 markedly better than Jason Scully, I don't know tbh. Frayne has gone entirely off the boil in recent weeks, and looks bereft of confidence. Duke is handy for a few scores and two pointers, Flynn the same, but we lack any quality forward. The Dubs will key in on mattie Costello and shut him down quickly and we'll be way behind the 8 ball. Goals are still a major issue for us.. Jones had 3 and Jordie 2… and then six guys with 1 each. 11 goals in 9 games, just won win at the top level not getting goals, We lack any kind of a poacher or fox inside and we'll need 3 goals to trouble Dublin at all
So for me
Hogan or Brennan - still not convinced here and can see the dubs getting 3 or 4 goals
Lavin
Rafferty - not convinced at all tbh
Keoghan
Hickey
O'Neill
Caulfield
Menton - don't have options really but he has always struggled v Dublin
Flynn
Duke
McEntee
McGowan
Scully.. he'll work like a dog and you need that v Dublin
Costello
Frayne… but on dodgy footing
How I think he'll go
Hogan
LAvin Rafferty O'Halloran
Coffey Keoghan Caulfield
Menton Flynn
Duke Kinsella Harkin/Hickey
Conlon Costello Frayne" Is James McEntee on the panel ?
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1071 - 14/04/2025 19:21:55
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Think the lads deserve enormous credit for getting the win yesterday, good old fashioned Meath style comeback. Reminds me of some of the woeful games under Boylan yet we still managed to win. Most gratifying of all and the difference between the two teams yesterday was the Meath crowd. First time in a long time i thought the crowd really got behind the team and never lost belief that we could actually win (more if the same please!). Always a sense of the inevitable over the past few years but yesterday was different.
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Replying To brian: "I just can't make any sense of this team, and I'm not sure where they are at all. First 35 minutes yesterday and they'd struggle to win a game in the Talltin cup, never mind Sam. All the old failings were back, lack of intensity, miles of the opponents, terrible wides and an over all malaise, carrying ball into the tackle etc. Second 35 minutes and everything started coming off, they looked sharper and more focused and dialled in.
I agree with posters that are saying certain players are being carried right now, and calling for players to be taken out of the team and replaced unfortunately you're taking a player of equal ability out to be replaced by a guy of about equal standard. Meath have no division one calibre players and that's an honest assessment they've a couple of top end division two guys and the rest are hard honest triers but not getting you anywhere close to a top 10 team. The top 10 is well defined and Louth are making the jump towards them. We're bunched in a group with Cork, Cavan, Westmeath, Down, Offaly and Kildare. Too good for the Tailteann but not good enough for Sam. And don't come at me about league position, Louth walloped us and we're missing several front line guys including their talisman in Sam Mulroy.
For the Dublin game, Adam O'Neill has to start. It's a travesty that he's sitting in the stands. Dunno if there's still injury concerns or he ant play 70 minutes but start him at least and let him play until he can't. Doesn't matter if he's 3,6 or 8/9.. get your best guys on the field. I'd also bring in Daithi McGowan at 12. He can fetch a ball and score from distance. He's no world beater but he has ability. James McEntee is another option I'd look at including, in the half forward line. Kinsella, Moriarty and Curtis are honest players but not going to be good enough to beat a Dublin, neither are Lynch or Conlon, we've seen that movie before, but Robbie has to go with some combination of those guys. Are any of those 5 markedly better than Jason Scully, I don't know tbh. Frayne has gone entirely off the boil in recent weeks, and looks bereft of confidence. Duke is handy for a few scores and two pointers, Flynn the same, but we lack any quality forward. The Dubs will key in on mattie Costello and shut him down quickly and we'll be way behind the 8 ball. Goals are still a major issue for us.. Jones had 3 and Jordie 2… and then six guys with 1 each. 11 goals in 9 games, just won win at the top level not getting goals, We lack any kind of a poacher or fox inside and we'll need 3 goals to trouble Dublin at all
So for me
Hogan or Brennan - still not convinced here and can see the dubs getting 3 or 4 goals
Lavin
Rafferty - not convinced at all tbh
Keoghan
Hickey
O'Neill
Caulfield
Menton - don't have options really but he has always struggled v Dublin
Flynn
Duke
McEntee
McGowan
Scully.. he'll work like a dog and you need that v Dublin
Costello
Frayne… but on dodgy footing
How I think he'll go
Hogan
LAvin Rafferty O'Halloran
Coffey Keoghan Caulfield
Menton Flynn
Duke Kinsella Harkin/Hickey
Conlon Costello Frayne" Hickey, Mcentee and scully starting my god... dropping Sean coffey madness. The only part I agree is Adam O'Neill should be starting somewhere. You've also found a way to leave Eoin Harkin out of the team.
Sheridan2010louth (Meath) - Posts: 222 - 14/04/2025 19:47:47
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Replying To brian: "I just can't make any sense of this team, and I'm not sure where they are at all. First 35 minutes yesterday and they'd struggle to win a game in the Talltin cup, never mind Sam. All the old failings were back, lack of intensity, miles of the opponents, terrible wides and an over all malaise, carrying ball into the tackle etc. Second 35 minutes and everything started coming off, they looked sharper and more focused and dialled in.
I agree with posters that are saying certain players are being carried right now, and calling for players to be taken out of the team and replaced unfortunately you're taking a player of equal ability out to be replaced by a guy of about equal standard. Meath have no division one calibre players and that's an honest assessment they've a couple of top end division two guys and the rest are hard honest triers but not getting you anywhere close to a top 10 team. The top 10 is well defined and Louth are making the jump towards them. We're bunched in a group with Cork, Cavan, Westmeath, Down, Offaly and Kildare. Too good for the Tailteann but not good enough for Sam. And don't come at me about league position, Louth walloped us and we're missing several front line guys including their talisman in Sam Mulroy.
For the Dublin game, Adam O'Neill has to start. It's a travesty that he's sitting in the stands. Dunno if there's still injury concerns or he ant play 70 minutes but start him at least and let him play until he can't. Doesn't matter if he's 3,6 or 8/9.. get your best guys on the field. I'd also bring in Daithi McGowan at 12. He can fetch a ball and score from distance. He's no world beater but he has ability. James McEntee is another option I'd look at including, in the half forward line. Kinsella, Moriarty and Curtis are honest players but not going to be good enough to beat a Dublin, neither are Lynch or Conlon, we've seen that movie before, but Robbie has to go with some combination of those guys. Are any of those 5 markedly better than Jason Scully, I don't know tbh. Frayne has gone entirely off the boil in recent weeks, and looks bereft of confidence. Duke is handy for a few scores and two pointers, Flynn the same, but we lack any quality forward. The Dubs will key in on mattie Costello and shut him down quickly and we'll be way behind the 8 ball. Goals are still a major issue for us.. Jones had 3 and Jordie 2… and then six guys with 1 each. 11 goals in 9 games, just won win at the top level not getting goals, We lack any kind of a poacher or fox inside and we'll need 3 goals to trouble Dublin at all
So for me
Hogan or Brennan - still not convinced here and can see the dubs getting 3 or 4 goals
Lavin
Rafferty - not convinced at all tbh
Keoghan
Hickey
O'Neill
Caulfield
Menton - don't have options really but he has always struggled v Dublin
Flynn
Duke
McEntee
McGowan
Scully.. he'll work like a dog and you need that v Dublin
Costello
Frayne… but on dodgy footing
How I think he'll go
Hogan
LAvin Rafferty O'Halloran
Coffey Keoghan Caulfield
Menton Flynn
Duke Kinsella Harkin/Hickey
Conlon Costello Frayne" I'm glad you are not picking the team by the looks of things and it is certainly not based on form. You leave one of our best players and arguably yesterday's best player in Coffey off? Not too sure about Rafferty? He has been excellent and if not fit next day out will be a very big loss. What about Jones if fit? Clearly a huge loss at the end of league. How is McEntee going to be ready?
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 623 - 14/04/2025 20:34:55
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Replying To brian: "I just can't make any sense of this team, and I'm not sure where they are at all. First 35 minutes yesterday and they'd struggle to win a game in the Talltin cup, never mind Sam. All the old failings were back, lack of intensity, miles of the opponents, terrible wides and an over all malaise, carrying ball into the tackle etc. Second 35 minutes and everything started coming off, they looked sharper and more focused and dialled in.
I agree with posters that are saying certain players are being carried right now, and calling for players to be taken out of the team and replaced unfortunately you're taking a player of equal ability out to be replaced by a guy of about equal standard. Meath have no division one calibre players and that's an honest assessment they've a couple of top end division two guys and the rest are hard honest triers but not getting you anywhere close to a top 10 team. The top 10 is well defined and Louth are making the jump towards them. We're bunched in a group with Cork, Cavan, Westmeath, Down, Offaly and Kildare. Too good for the Tailteann but not good enough for Sam. And don't come at me about league position, Louth walloped us and we're missing several front line guys including their talisman in Sam Mulroy.
For the Dublin game, Adam O'Neill has to start. It's a travesty that he's sitting in the stands. Dunno if there's still injury concerns or he ant play 70 minutes but start him at least and let him play until he can't. Doesn't matter if he's 3,6 or 8/9.. get your best guys on the field. I'd also bring in Daithi McGowan at 12. He can fetch a ball and score from distance. He's no world beater but he has ability. James McEntee is another option I'd look at including, in the half forward line. Kinsella, Moriarty and Curtis are honest players but not going to be good enough to beat a Dublin, neither are Lynch or Conlon, we've seen that movie before, but Robbie has to go with some combination of those guys. Are any of those 5 markedly better than Jason Scully, I don't know tbh. Frayne has gone entirely off the boil in recent weeks, and looks bereft of confidence. Duke is handy for a few scores and two pointers, Flynn the same, but we lack any quality forward. The Dubs will key in on mattie Costello and shut him down quickly and we'll be way behind the 8 ball. Goals are still a major issue for us.. Jones had 3 and Jordie 2… and then six guys with 1 each. 11 goals in 9 games, just won win at the top level not getting goals, We lack any kind of a poacher or fox inside and we'll need 3 goals to trouble Dublin at all
So for me
Hogan or Brennan - still not convinced here and can see the dubs getting 3 or 4 goals
Lavin
Rafferty - not convinced at all tbh
Keoghan
Hickey
O'Neill
Caulfield
Menton - don't have options really but he has always struggled v Dublin
Flynn
Duke
McEntee
McGowan
Scully.. he'll work like a dog and you need that v Dublin
Costello
Frayne… but on dodgy footing
How I think he'll go
Hogan
LAvin Rafferty O'Halloran
Coffey Keoghan Caulfield
Menton Flynn
Duke Kinsella Harkin/Hickey
Conlon Costello Frayne" Come Off the fence there and tells us what you really think. Lord Jaysus
Selwyn (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 14/04/2025 20:57:09
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Guys on reflection I dunno how I omitted Coffey, absolute oversight on my part and I'll hold my hands up on that one for sure. 100 percentage he should start.
Saw someone ask is James McEntee on the panel, yes he's on the panel. Was named as one of the additional players the both the last two games with Mcbride and McGowan. Conlon was also added for the Offaly game and came in when Harkin dropped out.
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Replying To brian: "Guys on reflection I dunno how I omitted Coffey, absolute oversight on my part and I'll hold my hands up on that one for sure. 100 percentage he should start.
Saw someone ask is James McEntee on the panel, yes he's on the panel. Was named as one of the additional players the both the last two games with Mcbride and McGowan. Conlon was also added for the Offaly game and came in when Harkin dropped out." Interesting on James Mc being on the panel. Always liked him.
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1071 - 15/04/2025 09:14:05
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Replying To brian: "I just can't make any sense of this team, and I'm not sure where they are at all. First 35 minutes yesterday and they'd struggle to win a game in the Talltin cup, never mind Sam. All the old failings were back, lack of intensity, miles of the opponents, terrible wides and an over all malaise, carrying ball into the tackle etc. Second 35 minutes and everything started coming off, they looked sharper and more focused and dialled in.
I agree with posters that are saying certain players are being carried right now, and calling for players to be taken out of the team and replaced unfortunately you're taking a player of equal ability out to be replaced by a guy of about equal standard. Meath have no division one calibre players and that's an honest assessment they've a couple of top end division two guys and the rest are hard honest triers but not getting you anywhere close to a top 10 team. The top 10 is well defined and Louth are making the jump towards them. We're bunched in a group with Cork, Cavan, Westmeath, Down, Offaly and Kildare. Too good for the Tailteann but not good enough for Sam. And don't come at me about league position, Louth walloped us and we're missing several front line guys including their talisman in Sam Mulroy.
For the Dublin game, Adam O'Neill has to start. It's a travesty that he's sitting in the stands. Dunno if there's still injury concerns or he ant play 70 minutes but start him at least and let him play until he can't. Doesn't matter if he's 3,6 or 8/9.. get your best guys on the field. I'd also bring in Daithi McGowan at 12. He can fetch a ball and score from distance. He's no world beater but he has ability. James McEntee is another option I'd look at including, in the half forward line. Kinsella, Moriarty and Curtis are honest players but not going to be good enough to beat a Dublin, neither are Lynch or Conlon, we've seen that movie before, but Robbie has to go with some combination of those guys. Are any of those 5 markedly better than Jason Scully, I don't know tbh. Frayne has gone entirely off the boil in recent weeks, and looks bereft of confidence. Duke is handy for a few scores and two pointers, Flynn the same, but we lack any quality forward. The Dubs will key in on mattie Costello and shut him down quickly and we'll be way behind the 8 ball. Goals are still a major issue for us.. Jones had 3 and Jordie 2… and then six guys with 1 each. 11 goals in 9 games, just won win at the top level not getting goals, We lack any kind of a poacher or fox inside and we'll need 3 goals to trouble Dublin at all
So for me
Hogan or Brennan - still not convinced here and can see the dubs getting 3 or 4 goals
Lavin
Rafferty - not convinced at all tbh
Keoghan
Hickey
O'Neill
Caulfield
Menton - don't have options really but he has always struggled v Dublin
Flynn
Duke
McEntee
McGowan
Scully.. he'll work like a dog and you need that v Dublin
Costello
Frayne… but on dodgy footing
How I think he'll go
Hogan
LAvin Rafferty O'Halloran
Coffey Keoghan Caulfield
Menton Flynn
Duke Kinsella Harkin/Hickey
Conlon Costello Frayne" Craziest part of this ridiculous post it the fact your not convinced by Sean Rafferty.
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Agreed that if there's any way we could get the likes of a Conor Gray and a Daithi McGowan on the field against Dublin, that's what we'll need. Unfortunately we're not going to see it because they're short on match fitness. Hopefully Jones will be back but fitness again an issue there. We need to have big, physical athletes because as one poster said, we've seen this movie before when certain players who've played against Dublin before have been bullied. We need to try something different e.g play a physical game, make some big hits, play aggressive, what do they have to lose. With the right mind set and determination this can be done. The answer to our problems with the new rules is looking us in the face - load the middle up with big men and win primary possession as Dublin not as dominant there without Fenton.
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We can argue all day long about who should start where but unfortunately Meath haven't a chance against Dublin for 3 key reasons.
1 - Costello is our only marquee forward. With Morris out injured, Costello is really our only major attacking threat from open play. Dublin should be able to snuff him out. Frayne lacks that extra yard of pace to harm teams.
2 - Height advantage gone - at the start of the year Meath had five 6ft+ men lining out across the middle of the field and were dominating kick outs, that's gone due injuries etc.
3 - 12 vs 11 has really harmed our style of play. Hogan not coming up as frequently to create an overlap has left it more difficult for our attackers to get that extra yard of space for a shot. Suffering badly as a result.
Getting within 5 points of Dublin should be considered an achievement this year.
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1 - Costello is our only marquee forward. With Morris out injured, Costello is really our only major attacking threat from open play. Dublin should be able to snuff him out. Frayne lacks that extra yard of pace to harm teams.
2 - Height advantage gone - at the start of the year Meath had five 6ft+ men lining out across the middle of the field and were dominating kick outs, that's gone due injuries etc.
3 - 12 vs 11 has really harmed our style of play. Hogan not coming up as frequently to create an overlap has left it more difficult for our attackers to get that extra yard of space for a shot. Suffering badly as a result.
Getting within 5 points of Dublin should be considered an achievement this year." There's a lot of short term memory when it comes to Eoghan Frayne. He is an absolutely lethal shooter with both feet. Any county would gladly welcome him. He's been down on form lately but he's one the least of my concerns. He was our best forward last year and he had another good league this year apart from the Louth game. As meath fans we should be celebrating players like Frayne and not knocking him. He may lack a yard but I've seen him harm a lot of teams with his other attributes.
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Well done to Meath on getting the result Sunday.
One of the worst 35 minutes this season followed by one of the best 35 minutes.
But without putting a dampener on things - how much must we paper over the cracks??
Monaghan, Louth, Offaly - 3 game over the course of a month where we have been brutal in the first half. Start like that against Dublin with or without wind and there will be 25 points between the teams at half time.
I could see Meath tried to control and slow up the tempo against the wind and be cute. But slow and ponderous build ups led us to persistently taking the wrong options, not taking our scores, and giving away needless points to Offaly. We left at least 6 points off the board from around 10-12 efforts.
Second half turned it around. We had the confidence to back ourselves and take on the 2 pointers. Each one that sailed over was a killer cut to Offaly who folded. They didn't play the conditions right nor did they do what Louth did and fouled out the pitch and kill every piece of momentum. Offaly didn't get a score from play in second half. All dead balls. So I think a lot of the positives for Offaly was borne on us making them look better than they actually are. The step up from Div 2 to Div 3 is still evident.
So look, we got the win from a poor position we put ourselves in and there must be credit given and the the result savoured. March on and take it.
BUT.... how long will this continue? We need to manage that wind better when playing against it. Direct running with your carriers, draw your frees... take your frees!.. and try get inside for goals to keep in touch. Keep the scoreboard ticking no matter what. At the other end, get your zones together and protect the ARC. Have confidence in your full back line to try and get evens with the opposition forwards. Disrupt as much as possible.
I don't give us a chance against Dublin. They aren't the machine they were but they'll have plenty to overcome us. I also think that our squad is being stretched thin now with injuries. Here's just hoping for a competitive game where the boys come out with credit and heads held high. We would need to be at 90% to be in with any shout - we haven't had a complete performance this season other than the Roscommon game.
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Replying To redser123: "There's a lot of short term memory when it comes to Eoghan Frayne. He is an absolutely lethal shooter with both feet. Any county would gladly welcome him. He's been down on form lately but he's one the least of my concerns. He was our best forward last year and he had another good league this year apart from the Louth game. As meath fans we should be celebrating players like Frayne and not knocking him. He may lack a yard but I've seen him harm a lot of teams with his other attributes." So far the first 4 games this season showed improvement from last year no question . Now we have mounting questions with few answers . What has.gone wrong since? Every player on the pitch has the chance to prove that they can deliver to their. full potential when it matters next match against real good opposition..Dublin. Idle boasts about who can do what against poor opposition wont change the scoreboard against . Dublin or any top teams....I would be happy to leave picking the team to management. They know we have at least 3 who are not up to the required standard now for inter county but no better alternatives on the bench. Those 3 players KNOW who they are. To me those players are on borrowed time and any sign of standing back means substitution there and then. On the positive side Costello is the man for midfield with Menton going to full forward on a trial basis at least . Jones if fit is partner for Costello.. I am hoping Frayne can regain form as he shows good potential for frees as an added bonus alone. I am not sure yet if we have a Boylan like figure on the sideline who can get into players heads and instill belief . Maybe we have and he started work at half time against Offaly. We live in HOPE!
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