I think no matter how someone plays in round 1 or 2 of this years championship, theres no point bringing them into the panel based on just that.

If we were to start doing that we would never have a settled panel.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 30/04/2012 15:45:46    1163330

Greenwood I understand what you are saying but after watching alot of club football over the last 2 weeks and the county in the League i don't see much alternative to D.Dalton at the moment if you have any suggestions let me know because i think we need some you faces in the team to freshin things up. BigJoeshow I know i am dropping C.Ward reason being he has not played well for Meath all year is failing to win his ball inside to the foward line plus S.Bray is our top this year with 0-27 points in the league and I know i am starting with two corner backs with no real experince but we have start blooding new players and we might aswell start because i don't see any atlernative out there at the moment and we to start adding competition for places but if you have any suggestions let me know and we can discuss it. S.Kenny is being dropped for the simple reason hasn't played a good game for Meath all year and maybe age is beginning to catch up with him but if form improves I would have in the team because he is one of Meaths best players when on form and I am great admire of his and have been for years because he brings great pride and passion to the jersey. E.Reilly and A.Forde have not being a fair chance at county level yet to prove themselves and I think the time is right to give the chance to prove that they are good enough to were the Green and Gold. T.Walsh is someone i would start maybe at midfield and drop B.Menton back in to centre back and maybe put S.McAranery back in to corner not sure if that position would suit him or maybe half back would be more suitable for him. Atta look maybe my team isn't the best but when you put an alternative to it then you can have your say and will be honest and tell if your changes would suit the team better in my opinion but football is all about opinions my friend.

ThickandTin (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 30/04/2012 16:54:11    1163402

D. GALLAGHER

C. O CONNER
K.REILLY
C.KING

C.LENIHAN
B.MENTON
M. BURKE

T.WALSH
C. GILLESPE

G.REILLY
S.BRAY
S.KENNY

C.WARD
J.SHERIDAN
P.GILSENAN

especially after seeing wicklows inside line theres no way you can "blood young lads" especially ones who have been around the panel for few years and 2-3 managers have taken a look at them and decided no, thats the bottom line eoin reilly, dalton and forde have been in and around but no manager saw enough in them in training or otherwise. cian ward has been our top scorer for last few years, bare in mind this is the league, players like kenny who are older won't be peaking for this. like i said a bit of cop on needed, throwing in young lads who look ok at club level will end in tears, o conner and gilespe are up for debate with likes of meade and tobin close but this is around what we will see

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 30/04/2012 18:24:41    1163495

Thejoeshow

That's a pretty solid team joeshow, I wouldn't argue with it anyway if Banty picks those lads come the 27th, I also agree regarding E. Reilly, Forde and Dalton, it's not like these lads were unearthed in the last week or two, I've heard those names for a fews years now and it looks like they just couldn't make the grade.

I'd love to see Brian Meade hitting a bit of form again though because we probably have one of the worst centre-field pairings in the country at this stage, we've never really replaced McDermott who retired 11 years ago which is incredible considering the pick we have.

Hard to know how the lads are going to react against a Wicklow team who are full of confidence and who have have some pretty good players, I just hope the lads stand up, fight and not accept defeat to tamely. We can forget about setting targets at this point aswell, we should just take every game at time and forget about the likes of Carlow, Kildare and Dublin etc etc because we won't get to play any of them if we take Wicklow for granted.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 30/04/2012 19:12:33    1163539

Agree htaem one game at a time. Having said that I do agree with big joe this team aint gone bad in a few weeks. We are in ideal position kildare already have the polish bought for there leinster medals wicklow are pretty confident too. So let's take it one game at a time. And above all support the team 100%.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/04/2012 20:18:49    1163584

Gallagher

O'Connor*
Reilly
Burke

McGuinness**
McAnarney
Tobin

Walsh
Byrne***

Menton****
Ward
Reilly

Gilsenan
Sheridan
Bray

Obviously like every other team here this is just based on how I feel today, on the 4 league games I was at and where I feel we are lacking

* Not too many teams play a 3 man full-forward line and regardless of how the opposition set themselves out I think Banty will play Juicy as sweeper.
** If McGuinness can return from injury soon enough to get to match fitness, while not always his biggest fan I'd pick him ahead of King every time.
*** Time for Peadar to act his age and become a leader. Has often shown selfless endeavour in the past and consistency is what he needs to show now. A return to his hard running essential!
**** While I do think Menton is our best CHB I think his presence is needed under a kickout and his tracking back with G Reilly is essential in the modern game. I'd also like to see him attacking the open spaces on a counter attack. Has speed to burn and very attack minded.

N.B: Based on their league performances I wouldn't start Kenny or Lenihan but would have no problem with their inclusion if they return to form. Gillespie based on past county and 3 county final performances, I have no interest in, but am open to eating my words if it betters the team's prospects.

rath_togh (Meath) - Posts: 740 - 30/04/2012 20:25:09    1163589

I would just like to reply and say I would agree that it would be a risky approach to play players with little experince but we if we keep faith with same players fro the last cople of years we will continue to under perform and will make any progress from where we are now I accept that E.Reilly is around a couple of years but I do not think the player has being given a fair crack at county level and you cannot judge a player based on trainning until they are given a real chance in matches and think Meath should be following Mayos led they are begining to make progress by bringing new with no experince and letting the to establish themselves as county footballers and is working well at moment and they will improve in time. A.Forde has not been around the Meath panel before this first time being on the panel at senior level afterall he is still and u21 so has not around the panel for a couple of years D.Dalton has been there for couple of years but injury and other reasons have seen not been given a chance and again you cannot judge a player on trainning alone. Fineally G.Reilly is one the best young footballers in the country on his day but he is letting himself supporters and his teammates down and thats all i will say and C.Ward has not played well for Meath since the Louth game in the quailfers last year and that was against a suspect backline and he not winning not of own ball and being marked out of alot of matches at county level recently I do not the chaps ability but I think a couple of games on the sideline will give the nesscary incentive to improve.

ThickandTin (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 01/05/2012 10:20:29    1163720

Thickandtin
I can understand your thinking on this but as far as I know Dalton is not even on the panel and after last Friday night in Dunshhaughlin, where Banty was in attendance, he is unkikely to be called in a this stage. I also agree with Jinxie in relation to calling lads in after 2 club championship weekends smacks of desperation and does not give rise to a settled panel. However in keeping with the title of this thread I am a worried man. In the four senior games I attended over the last two weekends I struggled to pick out a player of intercounty standard. Other than Cian Ward against Simonstown the few players that caught the eye are not currently on the panel. If you are to use your club championships as a barometer for your county team then it's no surprise that we are where we are.

Greenwood (Meath) - Posts: 210 - 01/05/2012 10:41:58    1163729

THEJOESHOW

Your team ain't bad and I especially agree with the half-back line,I wouldn't have O'Connor at corner back,he is far to loose..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 01/05/2012 12:16:48    1163807

thickandthin

because leaving him out vs kildare last year was a great idea.....

ZIGGY

i honestly couldn't agree more with you there he is way too lose, id maybe be inclined to play tobin in there but o brien is worse in there than o conner from what I've seen and theres limited options here really? got to the stage where id consider playing collins in the half forwards or peader and putting kenny in the corner back spot

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 01/05/2012 13:35:49    1163881

joeshow and Ziggy we are badly missing some talent at corner back and maybe S.Kenny in there would do a job but i am sure i he would have the displine required or the pace and play E.Harrington in there i dont know anymore we just lack talent in these positions. and for C.Ward he played in the second match against kildare in navan last year and no make an impact on the game an to say he would have done in the first match is questionable. I but i am begining to think it won't matter who plays against wicklow because the are playing well with condifence and are in wining and have good momentum behind at the minute and i think they the will be hard to beat and Meath are doing the oppsite and the mood in the M eath camp cannot be good but I hope I am wrong and the lads come out prove a point to everyone.

ThickandTin (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 01/05/2012 14:39:43    1163937

there is a lack of quality and maybe harrington needs to be brought in there hence why i think king is vital in there

as for cian ward, second day vs kildare he was bright and the only real goal threat meath had, everyone loves to beat down on the lad but he was out in front and the only one who made a b line straight for the goal when he had the chance and didn't look to pass it back. like his attitude (perceived) or not he has one thing on his mind and thats scoring and again like him or not he usually does it, I've said it many times, id rather a lazy looking 1-3 from cian than an industrious 0-2 from forde.

regarding the atmosphere in meath camp etc I'm going to disagree with you there. Having giles work with forwards, bringing in a good coach and the return of a true leader in joe is all positives. All these people (you included) writing them off isn't the worst thing in the world for these players. Id say theres a nit of momentum building and without doubt a relief they can focus on football and the championship.

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 01/05/2012 15:01:02    1163960

Good team Rath Togh but when have we ever hit any of our half-forwards with kickouts? Maybe Menton could be important here but we're going to have revise kickouts completely if we're to compete in the championship. Why not hit Biggy as well, he's able to catch ball. Mark Wards injury should force our hand here.

I would have Gilsenan or Kenny at 11, more industrious plus Cian Ward's best form came under O'Brien when he had a free role to play between the square and the 40 so I'd keep him at 15. I would start Lenehan and King, especially if we're going to play Joe Sheridan at 14 we need playmaking half-backs who can kick long ball. I would definitely like to see us kick the ball more often.


Gallagher

O'Brien Reilly McGuinness

King McAnarney Lenehan

Meade Menton

Gilsenan Kenny Reilly

Ward Sheridan Bray

Ollie99 (Meath) - Posts: 442 - 01/05/2012 15:39:50    1163994

Ollie99

maybe we should have a 3 man half-forward line,with Cian Ward playing in between that and the full-forward line? Never impressed me at corner forward for Meath

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 01/05/2012 16:52:05    1164067

ziggy

yes i agree i think its best to let cian roam around but start him in the corner, he's so dangerous in space (louth) that he will drag a man out the field leaving gilsenan and joe/bray with space to exploit, this worked so well under coyle when it was farrell and bray they movement of these two demolished all they faced but cork, and gives the half forwards/backs a lot more space to kick into! and isolates cian one on one where he can beat mean for fun!

re ollie

can't see why o brien is being given his place, been awful for meath and not standing out for NOM, in fairness he didn't look fit which may be the cause but doesn't look near the standard to play corner back he would be taken to the cleaners as he was in navan vs louth, mcguinness in the corner??? its just not his position simple as he's a half back and this year looks off the pace and loose on all men, i don't see how everyone is leaving tom walsh out of their 15?? lads he's made an impact deserves his place, and for the first time in years we have a CHB who looks good in menton, don't move him, leave him there! would love king in half backs but needs must in corner

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 01/05/2012 17:27:03    1164101

Ollie99 you could be right with McGuinness corner back if can regain his form of 09/10 when he impressied so much at centre back and his another with low condifence but has great ability and has very good burst of pace Thejoeshow I do not question C.Wards class as footballer but he over the last while he has been very inconsistant at county level and seems to shy away from the big games and when the pressure seems to come on and maybe a spell on bench will do him the world of good but i hope he proves me wrong because if does it will only be good for because when form he unmarkable and maybe is just lacking in condifence at moment at county level which would understandable after the recent way Meath have bein perfroming and I also agree he is more suited to the no11 position and maybe with Trevor Giles and John Evans coming on bored it will united the team and they will start playing to there ability and potenial and if the do so against Wicklow and Carlow they will beat both of them well and if Meath are condifendent and playing well and for each other and putting pride the jersey they could easily beat Kildare aswell and reached the Leinster final but they have alot of work and team building and bonding to do if they are to reach that level of perfermonace which i hope they do because it would great fineally put Kildare back in there box and give our critics something good to right about becasue Meath football needs to make the headlines for the good reasons over the next while.So cmon the Royal and lets go out firstly and beat Wicklow in 26 days time and give the all the great Meath fans what they desevre which a county team playing with pride and passion.

ThickandTin (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 01/05/2012 17:32:41    1164104

I think as Trevor's now to be the architect of the attacking plans he will have a brain like his own pulling the strings at 11, that brain to me would be Cian's. He will sacrifice him further from goal if he's creating chances. I also feel he'll alternate with Joe switching from 14 to 11 and visa versa as has been the case since 2008.

rath_togh (Meath) - Posts: 740 - 01/05/2012 17:52:04    1164114

My team vs Wicklow at this stage................
1. Gallagher
2. O'Brien
3. Reilly
4. King
5. Tobin
6. McAnarney
7. Burke
8. Walsh
9. Menton
10. Kenny
11. Bray
12. Reilly
13. Gilsenan
14. Joe
15. Ward

I know Shane Mc is a bit loose but he'd by my second choice at CHB because we need Menton at midfield.
Bray and Ward could potentially swap.
I'm hoping O'Brien regains form because he's probably our best corner back on the panel.
Joe must stay around the square.
Hopefully Kenny can prove why he's captain.

Opinions..............

seamusmac (Meath) - Posts: 379 - 01/05/2012 19:06:36    1164175

My team vs Wicklow

1. Gallagher
2. O'Brien
3. Reilly
4. O'Connor
5. Lenihan
6. Menton
7. Burke
8. Walsh
9. Meade
10. Kenny
11. Ward
12. Reilly
13. Gilsenan
14. Joe
15. Bray

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 01/05/2012 19:27:45    1164194

why is gary o brien in everyones team, did people not see him having to be hauled off in a few league games including early vs louth as in my opinion he was getting ROASTED??? surely tobin king or o conner would be better??? mcanarney is a problem at chb he's so lose its like a flood coming through at the full back line, has to be menton to stop this happening

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 01/05/2012 20:05:09    1164224