I have to agree with Godhimself..

I though both teams got some soft (strange) frees yesterday. Whether Eddie dived or not he had to give it especially after giving a similar dubious free to Killygarry about 10 mins earlier when a Killygarry man ran into a mullahoran man 15 yards away from play.

Mullahoran were definately the better team and should have been further ahead. I though Killygarry played it a bit strange. Granted the goal came from a long ball (and a mistake) , they got no real reward from it for the rest of the half but continue to persist. They carried the ball more in the second half and kept looking for Martin Reilly who was well looked after. In the early part of the second half when mullahoran were on top Donal Thomas would have been worth a punt around the middle of the field. Dermot Sheridan was a loss to mullahoran in the second half and they did tire badly.

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 606 - 17/09/2012 15:25:55    1267691

@Seanorinn,

"The ball appeared to be hopping," my opinion, I could be very wrong.

"O Reilly seemed to dive" seemed, I left room for slight doubt, just in case.

On the point that was or wasn't I just said nobody around me in the stand raised an eyebrow when it was given.
It does seem we were on the wrong side for best view and going by others it looked wide from the terrace side, but who can say for sure?

Seanorinn can!!
He has no doubt it was wide!
The dive was blatantly obvious!
The lift ball call was spot on!

Forgive me a chara but when I see a man with such certainty in his utterances, such belief in his observational faculties and such conviction in his soul, I generally conclude that this individual has watched the game through the predijuces of his heart rather than solely using the eyes in his head.*



* I may be way wrong in this, and it may be that you just had a better view of the incidents than I had.

Godhimself (Cavan) - Posts: 64 - 17/09/2012 15:45:49    1267711

Forgive me a chara but when I see a man with such certainty in his utterances, such belief in his observational faculties and such conviction in his soul, I generally conclude that this individual has watched the game through the predijuces of his heart rather than solely using the eyes in his head.*



* I may be way wrong in this, and it may be that you just had a better view of the incidents than I had.
Godhimself , 17/09/2012 at 15:45

I had a clear view of incidents I can tell you. I have no bitterness towards either team or affiliation to either also.
I watch all matches with no blinkers on and let me tell you GOD my opinion has many similar views.
I have friends from both teams let me tell you and all I ask is fair play to all from all, its that simple.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 17/09/2012 16:24:55    1267734

The dive was blatantly obvious!





GOD did he fall from tripping over his own shadow I ask ???

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 17/09/2012 16:29:09    1267739

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if Denn played either Caslerahan of Killygary tomorrow they would both beat Denn by 10 points there is no doubt in the world about that.

Agree, i dont like the way Denn man talks about other clubs being hopeless and part timers also he mentioned Denn have suffered from emigration forgetting to mention so has every other club in Cavan. Truth is that out of all the clubs in Division 1 Denn would not be able to compete with most, Cavan Gaels, Kingscourt, Lacken, Cúchulainns, Mullahoran, Castlerahan, Lavey, Ballinagh, Ramor, Drumgoon, Gowna, Belturbet and Killygarry are all well ahead of Denn, you could probably throw Redhills into that as well, Denn probably could just about live with Ballyhaise and Drumalee but none of the rest

HandPass1 (Cavan) - Posts: 129 - 17/09/2012 16:32:35    1267746

Am going to keep this brief, do us all a favour and please stop posting DennMan.

lifebuoy (Cavan) - Posts: 628 - 17/09/2012 16:50:42    1267766

90% a dive, 4% an elobarate move to avoid a perceived tackle which went wrong,
3%, a skilfully executed foul tackle so quickly done it wasn't spotted,
2% his momentum, 1% anything else you can think of,

My point is I can never be sure about any disputed incident in a game, I always think no matter how obvious it looks I may have missed something, you on the other hand just seem so certain, like we're dealing in absolutes.

As you saw all 3 of the instances mentioned from a Killygarry favourable viewpoint I questioned your impartiality, but as I couldn't know that for sure I added a disclaimer at the end.
It's all immaterial now, game over, what happened happened, don't want to get bogged down in minutae.

Anyone fancy a crack at my more general question, are more frees awarded in Cavan club fixtures than in other counties?

Godhimself (Cavan) - Posts: 64 - 17/09/2012 17:25:44    1267799

are more frees awarded in Cavan club fixtures than in other counties?

Yes i was at a game in Monaghan once and there was only about 15 frees in the whole 60 minutes.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 891 - 17/09/2012 17:44:27    1267823

i seem to remember Paul Fitzpatricks report on the Kingscourt v Denn game & there had been 60 frees awarded early in the 2nd half - crazyyyyy

Ritz (None) - Posts: 199 - 17/09/2012 17:59:11    1267830

90% a dive, 4% an elobarate move to avoid a perceived tackle which went wrong,
3%, a skilfully executed foul tackle so quickly done it wasn't spotted,
2% his momentum, 1% anything else you can think of,

My point is I can never be sure about any disputed incident in a game, I always think no matter how obvious it looks I may have missed something, you on the other hand just seem so certain, like we're dealing in absolutes.

As you saw all 3 of the instances mentioned from a Killygarry favourable viewpoint I questioned your impartiality, but as I couldn't know that for sure I added a disclaimer at the end.
It's all immaterial now, game over, what happened happened, don't want to get bogged down in minutae.

Anyone fancy a crack at my more general question, are more frees awarded in Cavan club fixtures than in other counties?
Godhimself , 17/09/2012 at 17:25


Thank you for that but no one questioned the Goal now that is one for debate for sure it would be nice to see a replay of this one for sure ??

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 17/09/2012 19:22:17    1267877

Do you mean was there a little push in the back? Have to say if there was I didn't see it. The full back reacted as if there was, but watching how he played the rest of the game I'm not so sure. He tried to win the ball in front all game rather than mark from behind and may have just been caught out in a slight misjudgement, or he may have got a subtle nudge, I couldn't say which, either way it was well fielded and finished past a goalkeeper who is a good shotstopper.

Godhimself (Cavan) - Posts: 64 - 17/09/2012 19:58:31    1267902

It was also what the game needed at that stage as Killygarry had started very nervously missing a couple of easy frees and were in danger of being overrun, not a reason to allow a goal I know, but I was glad it counted, was definitely good for the game!

Godhimself (Cavan) - Posts: 64 - 17/09/2012 20:42:17    1267949

Have they changed the dates of the finals yet again? Heard a rumour that they are being changed again.

ArminTamzarian (Cavan) - Posts: 66 - 17/09/2012 21:40:53    1268015

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1268015 Have they changed the dates of the finals yet again? Heard a rumour that they are being changed again


What did you hear son?

P.Mus (Cavan) - Posts: 386 - 18/09/2012 10:13:29    1268105

Castlerahan were very bad on sat night but Kingscourt were very good also. I dont see this as the end of a very young and talented castlerahan team, (average age of around 23/24). They are still in the top five or six in the county. I noticed the word useless being used as a description for them by a Denn man no less, humorous I have to say considering they would kick Denn off the field. I dread to think of the score Kingscourt would rattle off against them

Fr.LarryDuff (Cavan) - Posts: 24 - 18/09/2012 13:38:23    1268312

Castlerahan were very bad on sat night but Kingscourt were very good also. I dont see this as the end of a very young and talented castlerahan team, (average age of around 23/24). They are still in the top five or six in the county. I noticed the word useless being used as a description for them by a Denn man no less, humorous I have to say considering they would kick Denn off the field. I dread to think of the score Kingscourt would rattle off against them
Fr.LarryDuff , 18/09/2012 at 13:38


I thin k Castlerahan will find it very hard to come back sadly they keep playing the same individuals despite some carrying injuries.
Not one player on that team stood out sadly not one.
I really think if they want to move forward they need to change first the back room staff, 13 behind the ball 7 points down you have to have a game plan, because you had so many behind the ball Kinscourts half back line and their back line were able to come up and score easy. Bad failing from out side the line so to be truthfully honest get rid of them first.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 18/09/2012 13:56:40    1268329

Kingscourt bet Denn by 16 points earlier in champ.. Totally agree what you say about Castlerahan there one of the top teams in Cavan and they will be there or thereabouts for the next few years.

lifebuoy (Cavan) - Posts: 628 - 18/09/2012 14:07:03    1268339

The worrying thing for Castlerahan is the manner of the defeats. I went in to Breffni to see them playing 2 years ago having listened to all the hype about this great young team. They never showed up. Scored I think 4 points all game and were overrun by a poor enough Mullahoran outfit.

Last year they did make the final and off I went again hopeful of seeing a new exciting breakthrough.
Again they never showed up. Annihilation.

Now this year it's the same old story. They can get so far, then when they need to step it up, they disappear.
At least this year I kinda knew what to expect from them.

Godhimself (Cavan) - Posts: 64 - 18/09/2012 17:53:13    1268559

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The worrying thing for Castlerahan is the manner of the defeats. I went in to Breffni to see them playing 2 years ago having listened to all the hype about this great young team. They never showed up. Scored I think 4 points all game and were overrun by a poor enough Mullahoran outfit.

Last year they did make the final and off I went again hopeful of seeing a new exciting breakthrough.
Again they never showed up. Annihilation.

Now this year it's the same old story. They can get so far, then when they need to step it up, they disappear.
At least this year I kinda knew what to expect from them.

GOD I would not mind having that Castlerahan team for two years with a good trainer only beside me. ??

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 18/09/2012 20:42:57    1268657

Maybe I was a bit harsh, Castlerahan are young they may come good yet.
It would change things up a bit.
Including this years, 19 of the last 20 senior titles have being won by 4 clubs, Kingscourt, Cavan Gaels, Mullahoran and Gowna, The only exception being Baileborough in 1995. The same 4 clubs have provided the beaten finalists 16 of those 20 years, meaning they have provided 35 of the 40 finalists in the last 20 years, so time for some new blood methinks.

Godhimself (Cavan) - Posts: 64 - 19/09/2012 10:23:52    1268783