ochonlir
County: Cavan
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Selective Richj

We are in the midst of change and it's painful so you can't compare Val and tommy in that respect

The problem is that our changes seem to go on forever !!
The only thing you can compare them on regarding success ... is the lack of it and the fact that both did drop/antagonise players !! But we will live in hope that things might miraculously improve !! If they don't what will we do then ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/12/2011 13:08:38    1079010

Things don't generally miraculously improve In my experience

Proper prep a good youth policy good attitude that's what get improvement

Hopelessness is generally not good for getting improvement

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 02/12/2011 13:25:54    1079021

What will Cavan do if things don't improve then ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/12/2011 13:57:36    1079035

We didn't use our so called youth policy to cleverly last year did we??? We three them in at the deepens in an ulster championship. Some completely out of position. Yeah Onchlir that's the problem it's the use of these young players that is the problem. They should be blended with experience . Not thrown in at the deep end. That's the MAJOR problem

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 02/12/2011 14:07:29    1079042

RichieJ buddy

Niall Murray and Fergal Flanagan were the only two thrown in at deep end the others were ready for it.

McKiernan was on the senior panel two years ago and Niall Mcdermot proved himself on the day.

I think you really need to relax so go for a walk or something.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 891 - 02/12/2011 14:34:41    1079068

Look RHF the tatics on the day against Donegal and the way Murray was used was nothing short of amateurish for a game we had 8 months to prepare for. My point is why would they be any better this year? You just don't get it. It's fine giving management the benefit of the doubt but and the end of the day they have to show that they know what they are at. And they haven't. It's make it up as you go along tactics and next year will be no different .. If you look back to the last 2 league games we won, 5/6 backs were the same for both matches. Total backline change bar 1 for the championship and we get hammered. Where's the logic in that??

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 02/12/2011 15:15:51    1079104

Look Richie i agree with alot of what you say but you dont have to keep saying it over and over.

Go out and try and do something about it, contact your club if you are a member and try and get them to bring it up at county board level.

Harping on about it here for months on end does nothing for anyone.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 891 - 02/12/2011 15:24:11    1079109

Look RHF the tatics on the day against Donegal and the way Murray was used was nothing short of amateurish for a game we had 8 months to prepare for. My point is why would they be any better this year? You just don't get it. It's fine giving management the benefit of the doubt but and the end of the day they have to show that they know what they are at. And they haven't. It's make it up as you go along tactics and next year will be no different .. If you look back to the last 2 league games we won, 5/6 backs were the same for both matches. Total backline change bar 1 for the championship and we get hammered. Where's the logic in that??
richiej , 02/12/2011 at 15:15


Do you think that its possible that the management had to deal with injuries or does this not happen.
If the news I just heard is true a few of you fellows will be very happy ?

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 02/12/2011 15:33:33    1079123

Come on now how could anyone be happy about that?

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 891 - 02/12/2011 15:37:31    1079129

Sean o Rinn don't know how you can think posters would be happy about that??? Wish him
A speedy recovery!

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 02/12/2011 16:25:29    1079153

Seanoroinn,

Do you think that its possible that the management had to deal with injuries or does this not happen.
If the news I just heard is true a few of you fellows will be very happy ?

More mystery and intrigue !!
What were you told and by whom ?
A good manager knows how to deal with young players and when to blood them, a poor one does not !! Injuries are dealt with by replacing a lad with experience by someone with similar experience or by swapping a pivotal player to an important area and bringing in someone to a less important area. Not by bringing a newby into a pivotal position and expecting him to play that area as if it was second nature to him. Very few players can do that, especially in an important championship match !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/12/2011 16:26:08    1079154

Amazing

Last year you guys( the negatories) were howling for the removal of the deadwood(a highly offensive term for men who dedicated themselves as amateurs) and when Val changed the team by throwing some young lads in you are howling the very opposite.
We either change things or remain the same and as the old adage goes... If you keep doing the same things, don't expect a different result.

Last year was a turning year a lot of lads saw what championship football is all about and what levels of fitness and physique are needed. Sonharping on and on about last years results won't change them but we do have a bunch of young Players who have a view of what's required and will, I believe, rise to the challenge.

The Negatazoids will continue to howl abuse but the players and management will go about their business all the same

Whinging is not an advisable strategy if we want success
Hard work and continuous learning will bring rewards

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 02/12/2011 16:35:57    1079161

We could also and more probably have a bunch of young lads who have become completely disillusioned with football altogether after what happened !! One in particular who was told he was good enough to be given a pivotal role against Donegal only to be made look desperate and then to be taken off early against Longford. How did he feel after all that ?
Ever think of that ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/12/2011 17:04:48    1079172

We could also and more probably have a bunch of young lads who have become completely disillusioned with football altogether after what happened !! One in particular who was told he was good enough to be given a pivotal role against Donegal only to be made look desperate and then to be taken off early against Longford. How did he feel after all that ?
Ever think of that ?
Cavan_Slasher , 02/12/2011 at 17:04

looks like he took it on the chin and like the good young man he is he has put it behind him.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 02/12/2011 20:55:56    1079292

Good on him he has shown resilience which is what we need

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 02/12/2011 21:25:23    1079307

Seanoroinn,

looks like he took it on the chin and like the good young man he is he has put it behind him.

I hope he did BUT it could have been disastrous and was a poor managerial decision in the first place !!
He was not even tried out there beforehand as the whole defence from the League was changed !! When it was not broken why try to fix it ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 03/12/2011 11:56:54    1079372

Seanoroinn,

looks like he took it on the chin and like the good young man he is he has put it behind him.

I hope he did BUT it could have been disastrous and was a poor managerial decision in the first place !!
He was not even tried out there beforehand as the whole defence from the League was changed !! When it was not broken why try to fix it ?
Cavan_Slasher , 03/12/2011 at 11:56


are you sure it was not broken

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 03/12/2011 12:57:10    1079389

Well Sean they won the last two league games with the same defence playing then he changed it all for the Championship and included new untried players !!
That did not make sense to many of us and as it turned out we were right !!
What do you think ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 03/12/2011 14:32:51    1079408

Well Sean they won the last two league games with the same defence playing then he changed it all for the Championship and included new untried players !!
That did not make sense to many of us and as it turned out we were right !!
What do you think ?
Cavan_Slasher , 03/12/2011 at 14:32

When I asked you do you think it was not broken ? if you are happy thinking as you do there is nothing I can say to change your mind. If players are injured or unavailable drastic decisions have to be made. Last years league is over we can but look forward but sadly it will not be as it should have been going forward the way things are panning out.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 03/12/2011 14:52:53    1079417

Why Sean, what has happened to dampen your optimism ???

tony.montana (Cavan) - Posts: 179 - 03/12/2011 15:32:54    1079436