Cavan Gaels can hardly complain about other teams Amalgamation, Cavan Gaels is made up of players from several different clubs.

CavanAgain (Cavan) - Posts: 196 - 13/09/2011 13:53:27    1033455

as I said before... it is ok to amalgamate as long as you don't win the thing and especially as long as you don't beat the gaels in the final. Anyone would think this is the first time Kingscourt and shercock amalgamated. It clearly is not. The only problem this time is that they were better than the gaels and that's what wrankles.

Kingscourt and shercock have a long history of amalgamating going back to the 70's

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 13/09/2011 14:40:52    1033503

william14 2 teams were fightin not just cavan gaels!!!

Cavan211 (Cavan) - Posts: 5 - 13/09/2011 15:35:15    1033548

Only someone from either kingscourt or shercock could argue that that amalgamation was anything other than a joke. In its present form amalgamations are for small teams who are unable to field a competitive team!! This my friends looked like a group of coaches desperate to put their mugs on the map sacrifice some fringe players from both teams in order to create an unbeatable outfit for their own glory. I believe that a forced amalgamation of all teams at minor level to create a say 10 team competition with individual clubs then competing in a seperate competition would benefit the county set up by allowing all the top players to access a high standard of football! But what the above two clubs did this year is still wrong.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 13/09/2011 16:24:38    1033607

s goldrick there is nothing wrong with amalgamations as long as its not stupid amalgamtions like o raghallaigh gaels this year. if kingscourt struggled this year and were relegated to division 2 you might just have an argument but they actually won the division 1 league which makes it laughable that they would even dream of amalgamating for championship, dont mind a decent division 2 team!!! if they had any bottle they would have tried to win the championship on their own.

cavanagain that is just a stupid statement. the vast majority if not every club in the county has a player or players who played with a different club when they were younger.

kingofkings (Cavan) - Posts: 16 - 13/09/2011 16:44:02    1033619

@sceptical
aa I keep saying (and you have agreed with me) the only problem was that they were too good..

half the shercock athletic club is made up of kingscourt athletics and there was a time that the knockbride ladies football club had a fair number of kingscourt ladies on it. maybe at the time the clubs applied to amalgamate they weren't sure that they would have a competitive team on their own. but after they got the go-ahead they knuckled down and decided to train hard and give it a lash. Obviously Kingscourt people like to be competitive and will join a club that they see as being able to compete with the best... nothing wrong with that. However having said that I wouldn't think they will be amalgamating next year

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 13/09/2011 17:19:40    1033662

Everyone says Kingscourt and Shercock gave up alot of players to ammalgumate but sure the subs bench had more than half u-16's on it . . Through the league Kingscourt played at least 2 fifteen year olds in each game.

PatBurns (Cavan) - Posts: 17 - 13/09/2011 19:19:05    1033802

Its not a bit of wonder that Cavan football is in the state it is in when people complain that a team is too good. It's ok to be a decent side but god forbid you would have a really good team. Unless your Cavan Gaels. Then its fine to be way ahead of everyone else. I have never witnessed such a crowd of sore losers in my entire life. You were beaten by a better team. Yes, TEAM! The way the Gaels behaved after the game was nothing short of disgraceful. Not too much being said about that by the Gaels supporters on here. O Raghallaigh Gaels are not the only amalgamation in Cavan Underage football but as long as no one else gets too good, there will no complaints about them. Once the Gaels can still beat you, its fine. You have to love the so called "Football People" in this county.

SS1 (Cavan) - Posts: 196 - 14/09/2011 10:06:32    1033985

I have a Minor league and Championship to look back on and be proud off and i'm even happier to know i won them with the same team.

Holdonasecond (Cavan) - Posts: 17 - 14/09/2011 11:22:44    1034059

SS1 i genuinely dont understand how you can possibly say a message like that? have you not read the past comments? can you read? the gaels and every other club have no problem with amalgamtions unless they are comical ones such as o raghallaigh gaels seeing as kingscourt on their own won the league? unless you have absolutly no idea about football it is clear that the o raghallaigh gaels amalgamtion was nothing short of disgraceful and during the year when i heard that kingscourt and shercock could be joining up for championship i chatted to a few lads from kingscourt and we joked about the thought of shercock joining kingscourt after winning the league. it just makes absolutly no sense!!!!

kingofkings (Cavan) - Posts: 16 - 14/09/2011 13:00:07    1034165

I don't think im the one that cant read if you think some of what has been posted on here is for the good of Cavan football. It has been stated quite clearly here many times that when the decision was made to amalgamate, it was FEBRUARY! Kingscourt had not yet won the league. Shercock had one nothing either and didn't in the end. In Fact, they forefitted a game and travelled to another with 15 players in total. No subs at all. How is that good for football. From all accounts, Kingscourt won the league with 17 players on the panel and if they had to have any injuries throughout the league, may not have been able to field a team either. That didn't happen and fair play to them. I think its grossly unfair to continue to take away from there win by slating them. From all accounts, they are a great bunch of lads and don't deserve to be told that their win was any less deserved because it was an amalgamation.

SS1 (Cavan) - Posts: 196 - 14/09/2011 14:02:16    1034249

SS1 , 14/09/2011 at 14:02

SS1 your post is very good and the game sadly did not live up to all the hype, however the team that took their chances prevailed in the end. Some quality players on both teams and all looks good for the Cavan Minors for next year with the talent there was on show. Maybe more clubs might amalgamate for next year and it will put an end to teams getting hammered by the few top teams, this would be very good for the young lads and for Cavan going forward.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 14/09/2011 14:14:23    1034273

well said sean,

now @ kingofkings. you don't seem to have a problem with amalgamations and rightlyy so. after all, kingscourt and shercock have amalgamated on a number of occasions at minor level in the past without any objections. what is different this year is that when it became apparent that they were a very good team it became a problem. and you yourself recognise this. your argument is that they shouldn't have been allowed to amalgamate because they would be too strong. now take for instance next year if cavan gaels are having trouble fielding a team at minor level and lets say drumalee are also having trouble . would it be right for them to join together. also bear in mind that after the league quite a few players emigrated after their exams.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 14/09/2011 14:33:10    1034307

At last sense been talked on this tread! Fair play SS1 and Sean!

THE.FOX (Cavan) - Posts: 48 - 14/09/2011 14:36:18    1034311

SS1 it doesnt matter what month it was decided that they would amalgamate because that very same team reached an u16 final and were beaten in a very competitive match in cootehill against the gaels and were always a very competitive team through the years so why they would dream of amalgamating is beyond me. then theres the argument of them not having enough players during the league as you say. in division 1 and sometimes 2 when a team at a particular age group has small numbers, it simply means that you just bring up more younger fellas to fill up the panel. its what the gaels and every club in the county have always done and everybody knows that. you are clearly more likely to have a weak team but thats life! im sure they are a great bunch of lads and i dont deny for a second that they didnt work hard but the amalgamation should not have happened and everybody knows that. kingscourt on their own would have had an extremely good chance of winning it.

s goldrick at underage the quality of teams in particular age groups can dramatically change from year to year. take for example templeport. they are an extremely good division 1 u-16 team this year so there is no need for them to amalgamate. but a few years ago at u-16 in templeport they might have been a poor division 4 team which would make it acceptable for them to amalgamate so they can play a decent standard of football and become competitive.this is why it changes from year to year whether it is acceptable for a particualr club at a particular age group to amalgamate or not.

kingofkings (Cavan) - Posts: 16 - 14/09/2011 15:48:27    1034411

I think the gaels supporters on this thread should just let it go. Beaten by the better team on the day. Shercock couldnt field a team on their own with little more than 12 or 13 players so it made sense to join with a nearby club i.e Kingscourt. They played well as a group and deserved their win

Fr.LarryDuff (Cavan) - Posts: 24 - 14/09/2011 16:36:27    1034493

I was bewildered to hear that no.5 got man of the match, never mind all the fighting and biting craic, but when a substitute comes on and scores 3 major pointson you, then you know you're not having a good day. And to all the sour Cavan gaels grapes, its just a bit of a pity that the yous couldn't draft in any Drumalee lads this year to give you that extra edge. Congrats to O'Raghallaigh Gaels, yous showed more heart in the end and deserved every bit of it.

AreYaComfy (Cavan) - Posts: 2 - 14/09/2011 21:24:13    1034828

AreYaComfy

Drumalee and cavan gaels !!! look at the amount of minor championships cavan gaels have won on there OWN since 1998,records speak for themselves,and so do single clubs with one captain wearing his own club jersey..

gaelsutd (Cavan) - Posts: 602 - 15/09/2011 08:22:57    1034880

Sportsmanship, Respect, Humility. ?????

What a shame that this should be going on. Hoganstand should lock this topic or remove it for it does no good for the GAA in Cavan.
Is mise Sean O'Rinn
Slain go Foill

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 15/09/2011 10:52:08    1034958

Just in cast you didn't know gaelsutd, Cavan Gaels are a club formed through an amalgamation of Cavan Slashers and Cavan Harps. With the population that you have to pick from in Cavan town, you should be well able to compete with a team amalgamated from Kingscourt and Shercock.

CC1 (Cavan) - Posts: 65 - 15/09/2011 12:48:52    1035094