Redassain, What I did say is that West Cavan Clubs have won very little since the fields have been fenced off, I should have clarified it further for you by saying that this refers to the playing fields. Indeed is was known that some of the hard men from west Cavan took out the darker side of tough play in years gone bye

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4127 - 25/09/2009 17:54:03    436709

in reply to SS1. I was merely making a point to show to Tom Smith and others that if you look at the CURRENT cavan team there are very few if any players from those east cavan clubs involved. It was a response to his WEST Cavan rant. I am well aware of the contribution made by all these clubs in the recent past. Let's face it bailieborough had a considerable amount of players on the '97 ulster Championship winning side, Kingscourt backboned the county team throughout the eighties and Knockbride have contributed the aforementioned Reillys plus john Tierney and raphael Rodgers. I made the point to show how ridiculous Tom Smith's comment was. You can't take a point in time and say any particular reqion are letting Cavan down. As you so rightly say it goes in cycles. Anyway I don'yt know why any of us bother to reply to him as his posts are getting increasingly bizzare and can't be taken seriously anymore.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 25/09/2009 19:23:38    436788

Could you name a few of these hardmen Tom? And how does a fence stop a player from been a hard man?

Dimitri (Cavan) - Posts: 64 - 25/09/2009 19:37:13    436796

tomsmith you make absolutly no sense, what are ya tryin to say about westcavan clubs and fields being fenced, your in a wee world of your own my good man........

driveiton (Cavan) - Posts: 49 - 25/09/2009 19:57:22    436811

My Apologies, S Goldrick. I wasn't attacking you as such, It just that tomsmith drives me insane, even though i know he is only on here to cause trouble and provoke a response. Thanks for extending my point re the contribution of the east cavan clubs. Hopefully there contibution will increase in the not too distant future!

SS1 (Cavan) - Posts: 196 - 25/09/2009 20:44:10    436840

SS I to apologize is a sign of weakness and it is a response to your ill prepared rant. It would b e better for all if in your anxiety to attach Tom Smith views that put more thought into your responses. Well that may be to much to ask for. Back to my initial post which I stand by and that is that that West Cavan GAA clubs are letting Cavan GAA down. Why I wonder ?.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4127 - 26/09/2009 10:17:51    437028

Ok tomsmith instead of just making open ended statements intended to wind people up i call on you to substantiate your claims. How is West Cavan Letting down the county? And indeed what clubs are you referring to? Facts only please tom now, no ambigious statements or hidden jibes!

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 26/09/2009 11:04:35    437047

yea i tink id like to hear ur opinion on this tomsmith??

redassasin (Cavan) - Posts: 25 - 27/09/2009 16:55:05    437732

I ask the question is west Cavan letting the GAA down.
I feel that the GAA is very weak in west Cavan and that it will take it years to recover.
If Cavan football is going to get stronger I feel that the west Cavan gaa people will have to start putting in the work.
If you look at Cavan ,west from Redhill to Killashandra you have very few good footballers at present.
You have a proliferation of junior club s that do not do anything for Cavan football.

The above was my post and I stand bye it. I then went on to say if I can recall that very few west Cavan people made the senior football team.
I believe that I did say that since Sean and Owen martin and a few other left the county team that very few made the breakthrough into senior football.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4127 - 27/09/2009 20:29:04    437915

Tom - just for the record (and to prove you are not just a pathetic wind up merchant) can you tell us what your club is, what level you played to and how you worked within your club to provide Cavan with the unbelievable players you club has no doubt produced?

mylestheslasher (Cavan) - Posts: 91 - 27/09/2009 20:48:41    437938

mylestheslasher
Tom - just for the record (and to prove you are not just a pathetic wind up merchant) can you tell us what your club is, what level you played to and how you worked within your club to provide Cavan with the unbelievable players you club has no doubt produced?

I read your post with some amusement, first and foremost are you suggesting that all posters should add a CV prior to or preposting on Hoganstand to
authenticate what is a simple issue to educated people.
Irrespective of race class or creed in modern Ireland and more particularly on Hogan Stand one is as yet allowed to express ones views without odium/scorn being cast upon on the author.
What difference would it make if did not belong to a club or never played GAA. OK

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4127 - 28/09/2009 12:10:32    438434

R.E. tomsmith
look at where teams from this region are in the leagues.
Look at the problems with discipline during games.
Indeed it has been said that west Cavan won very little since fields have been fenced off ( WHY ).

Are you suggesting that the recent discipline issues in the county have been the fault of west Cavan clubs?

Porterbelly (Cavan) - Posts: 36 - 28/09/2009 15:15:45    438702

Tom if you're going to wind people up you might as well do it properly and give some facts!

I'll ask this very simply and clearly, please:

1. Define West Cavan.
2. State your case as to how they are letting Cavan GAA.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 28/09/2009 17:11:17    438869

Brother Smith, I have already defined west Cavan as a line from Redhills to Killashandra.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4127 - 28/09/2009 17:46:45    438945

wel west of that line includes belturbet and drumlane, also, who are you to say where west cavan starts and ends. i say its a line north to south through cavan town, now how does your theory stand up.your mango posts made more sense than what your talking at the moment.

Mclovinxxx (Cavan) - Posts: 205 - 28/09/2009 18:14:49    438982

tomsmith-"If Cavan football is going to get stronger I feel that the west Cavan gaa people will have to start putting in the work.
If you look at Cavan ,west from Redhill to Killashandra you have very few good footballers at present"..tom, you imply here that cavan football is not at a high standard in general..you must mean that east cavan isnt contributing too much either then so,you cant just blame west cavan!

redassasin (Cavan) - Posts: 25 - 28/09/2009 23:03:50    439321

Still waiting on a reply tom.

Porterbelly (Cavan) - Posts: 36 - 29/09/2009 07:41:59    439430

Porterbelly, Mc Lover and Redassasin, perhaps ye as Hoganstand persons would look at the substance of my comments which I will standbye untill I am proved wrong and that is "" West Cavan GAA clubs are letting Cavan GAA down "".
This is a clear statement which has not been rebutted.
Some have tried to pick holes in my statement by saying the a line down main street in Cavan Town and that is east or west.
I suppose I should have asked the former Cavan senior team manager who would he describe west Cavan clubs that make little or no contribution to Cavan GAA?.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4127 - 29/09/2009 17:32:16    440029

Tom - I may have taken you seriously but for a couple of points.
1) Discipline - Checks the suspensions list for the past year, I fear you will see the Senior teams of Div 1 & Div 2 teams greatly outnumber the Div 3 clubs (From West Cavan) in this list. Check it out. And can I just mention with no disrespect to clubs / players involved. Cavan Gaels and Gowna recently. You will also find Countly players or former county players in this list.
2)Drinking - A point you have made on previous posts regarding the junior player. Tom have you ever been out at the weekend in Cavan town (Inc during championship). You see a lot of players from Div 1 clubs out drinking including senior county players! On this point Tom were have you seen all the junior players drinking, As you won't find them in Cavan town that often especioally the west cavan players.
3) Letting Cavan GAA down - Well to the best of my knowledge the GAA was not set up with the sole purpose to supply the county senior team. As far as I am aware each area of west cavan has a GAA club, so each area is promoting GAA in there own area. You won't find any soccer or rugby clubs - so thats also helping promote GAA. Facilities of the clubs (Pitches) in west cavan are better without argument than combined facilities of other clubs / sections of county. As you have brought this up as a thread it means you think cavan GAA as a whole is struggling and are trying to establish where the problem is; to this end I might add all of Cavan is thereby letting the GAA down in Cavan.
4) East Cavan - You forgot to mention (Maghera, Mountnugent, Muntirconnaught, Ballymachugh etc all in Div 3). Are Laragh & Bailebourgh not letting GAA down now that they are in Div 3.
5) You also forget that in any Divisional format somebody has to be at bottom and somebody at top!
6) From previous comments you have said that players from lower leagues should not be playing with county team. So why worry if these Div 3 teams have no good players or not.
7) With the amount of travelling that these players from West Cavan have to do, you should be commending them for there commitment to the GAA rather than ridiculing them and there clubs.
8) Tom Smith I put it to you that you are not a GAA man; you are a person who doesn't care about the GAA remaining in every parish. If you had your way there would be ten super clubsin the county. Think Tom use your head for a moment if that happened what would the knock on effect be! Players quitting the GAA, lads with no interest in playing as there not good enough, then the smaller clubs go by the way side. Not everyone will then travel to larger towns to play when it';s not your parish with your mates. Then the super clubs will be short of players and the players they have not goog enough for County. What then Tom?
9)The fact is Tom according to why the GAA was set-up the only way West Cavan would be letting the GAA down is if there was no clubs in these areas. And worst still garrison games had club representation.

Oh you were looking for a county player from West Cavan in the last 10 Years - Anthony Forde; I do recall he was also county captain. And even when he left the GAA in west cavan did not crumble.

Wahoo (Cavan) - Posts: 5 - 29/09/2009 19:27:49    440172

here-here wahoo u hit the nail on the head..

redassasin (Cavan) - Posts: 25 - 29/09/2009 23:35:37    440514