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How Do We Improve Meath Inter County Hurling?

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Replying To Stiofan:  "Football and Hurling Development Squads share equal resource. No difference!"
Out of curiosity what is the difference in resources provided for underage football and hurling development squads in Meath?.
Is it lack of access to facilities in Dunganny?.

Potentially there is bound to be a decent cross over of underage players that could play in both development squads, can players play in both squads the whole way up?.
If they can play in both squads is it set up to make it practical for them to do both (session times etc.?).

GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 23/03/2025 08:45:48    2597895

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Replying To Joe_soap1:  "That is completely incorrect, football development squads have much more resources and funding . I have been involved with hurling development squads and difference is night and day. That's where hurling in the county is failing to start off with ."
Out of curiosity what is the difference in resources provided for underage football and hurling development squads in Meath?.
Is it lack of access to facilities in Dunganny?.

Potentially there is bound to be a decent cross over of underage players that could play in both development squads, can players play in both squads the whole way up?.
If they can play in both squads is it set up to make it practical for them to do both (session times etc.?).

What got me thinking about this was talking to a Tipperary man at work who said the Tipperary minor footballers who won the All Ireland in 2011 contained 8 inter county minor hurlers and how people down there had different opinions about underage dual inter county players.

GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 23/03/2025 11:43:23    2597924

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Decent start for the Minor hurlers. Nearly pulled off a great result. What is even better is that they were the better team on the day.

hedgefund (Meath) - Posts: 16 - 25/03/2025 14:53:03    2598557

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I see the winners of the IHC this year are down to play in the Leinster "Special" Junior Hurling Championship. Better chance of winning that I suppose, though there's no All Ireland competition at that level.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1677 - 05/04/2025 20:26:44    2600675

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "I see the winners of the IHC this year are down to play in the Leinster "Special" Junior Hurling Championship. Better chance of winning that I suppose, though there's no All Ireland competition at that level."
Meath hurling will make great progress in that competition all right.Offaly,Laois and Westmeath's third tier teams are playing a higher grade.Ye have serious ambition for hurling in Meath.For crying out loud reform the SH championship.Meath don't have 12 senior hurling teams and enter your IHC champions in the junior proper and improve.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1677 - 09/04/2025 10:25:03    2601193

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Replying To jobber:  "Meath hurling will make great progress in that competition all right.Offaly,Laois and Westmeath's third tier teams are playing a higher grade.Ye have serious ambition for hurling in Meath.For crying out loud reform the SH championship.Meath don't have 12 senior hurling teams and enter your IHC champions in the junior proper and improve."
Everybody wants this in meath bar the bottom 4 teams in our senior championship , they will never agree to it.
A senior championship of 6 or 8 teams max , look at the beatings the likes of bhg got last year , waiste of time.

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 429 - 09/04/2025 15:58:39    2601255

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Replying To hurlit:  "Everybody wants this in meath bar the bottom 4 teams in our senior championship , they will never agree to it.
A senior championship of 6 or 8 teams max , look at the beatings the likes of bhg got last year , waiste of time."
Well isnt It time the Kildalkeys,Trims and Rathoaths of this world demanded better competition so they can improve.What good is it to get 30 points hammerings just to say we are a senior club.It might not seem like it but we need Meath to improve as our hurling pockets are beside each other.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1677 - 09/04/2025 18:34:53    2601277

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Are you not aware that the senior hurling championship has been changed and will take a different format next year reverting to 6 senior teams following the conclusion of this years championship.

Kildalkey Trim Ratoath will be demanding a sky deal shortly.

Rickoshay (Meath) - Posts: 40 - 10/04/2025 08:56:05    2601330

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There is no appetite from the county board for hurling. Simple as. You have small clubs in rural areas trying to field teams whilst the county board allowed another football club in one of the most highly populated areas in the country. You have to ask how come a hurling teams wasn't set up in Bettystown laytown Julianstown area.

Rickoshay (Meath) - Posts: 40 - 10/04/2025 09:03:39    2601331

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Replying To Rickoshay:  "There is no appetite from the county board for hurling. Simple as. You have small clubs in rural areas trying to field teams whilst the county board allowed another football club in one of the most highly populated areas in the country. You have to ask how come a hurling teams wasn't set up in Bettystown laytown Julianstown area."
Is there any hurling being offered in primary schools on that side?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are Wolfe Tones and St Pats the only hurling clubs east of Navan? That really is a disgrace. Kids, if exposed to it, love playing hurling and like everything else becomes trendy if the rest of their pals are playing it too.
Needs to start at the bottom but very difficult to start a club up if the base structure is not there. I wouldn't be sure what the ambition of Eastern Gaels is in that regard but it would require big assistance from the county board. How likely is that?!

Let's hope we put up a good performance and get over London

hurlingcowboy101 (Meath) - Posts: 28 - 11/04/2025 11:56:55    2601491

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See the panel is released for the first match. Cant really argue with the starting 15.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 650 - 11/04/2025 14:48:15    2601516

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Replying To Irish_downunder:  "See the panel is released for the first match. Cant really argue with the starting 15."
The result might indicate something different.

CrookedSticks (Fermanagh) - Posts: 9 - 12/04/2025 18:41:35    2601608

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Replying To Rickoshay:  "Are you not aware that the senior hurling championship has been changed and will take a different format next year reverting to 6 senior teams following the conclusion of this years championship.

Kildalkey Trim Ratoath will be demanding a sky deal shortly."
Sour

CrookedSticks (Fermanagh) - Posts: 9 - 12/04/2025 18:42:50    2601610

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Sad state of affairs now. no excuses but should be beating london hands down. Time for managment change becuase thats just not good enough.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 650 - 14/04/2025 09:05:58    2601778

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At the game over the weekend and London were much the better team and will be one of the favorites to win it out now because there isn't much quality in this years championship. Meath are in a bad place and i don't see things changing any time soon unfortunately.
One glaring issue for me and a big talking point among the people around me was the number of players playing intermediate club hurling that played against London, and in particular the whole fullback line. Meath senior hurling championship is not at its strongest at the minute but intermediate level is terrible and to expect to get away with 5 players from that grade on the team that have never played senior club hurling is pure daft.
When i look at some of the names on the bench, Murtagh, Healy, D Kelly, J Kelly, Quigley, Murray, Fitzgerald (some of whom didn't even see any game time) all with multiple senior championship medals and all top players i wonder where management came up with their team selection. I get that you need to look and the lower grades and you will always find 1-2 good hurlers but not 5 that are better than the players in the grade above and you certainly don't have a full intermediate fullback line who in many cases are marking forwards from club second teams that cant make their first team.

Any way only Johnny Greville and his selectors can answer that one but hopefully better days to come and we can get to the latter stages of the competition and you never know then.

Tobefair80 (Meath) - Posts: 83 - 14/04/2025 09:23:07    2601780

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Replying To Tobefair80:  "At the game over the weekend and London were much the better team and will be one of the favorites to win it out now because there isn't much quality in this years championship. Meath are in a bad place and i don't see things changing any time soon unfortunately.
One glaring issue for me and a big talking point among the people around me was the number of players playing intermediate club hurling that played against London, and in particular the whole fullback line. Meath senior hurling championship is not at its strongest at the minute but intermediate level is terrible and to expect to get away with 5 players from that grade on the team that have never played senior club hurling is pure daft.
When i look at some of the names on the bench, Murtagh, Healy, D Kelly, J Kelly, Quigley, Murray, Fitzgerald (some of whom didn't even see any game time) all with multiple senior championship medals and all top players i wonder where management came up with their team selection. I get that you need to look and the lower grades and you will always find 1-2 good hurlers but not 5 that are better than the players in the grade above and you certainly don't have a full intermediate fullback line who in many cases are marking forwards from club second teams that cant make their first team.

Any way only Johnny Greville and his selectors can answer that one but hopefully better days to come and we can get to the latter stages of the competition and you never know then."
You're not the only one to notice this. 5 goals speaks for itself.

There's a few out injured but I believe there are 5 from Kilskyre/Moylough on the panel at the moment. They didn't make it out of the Intermediate B group last year.

If management can't give James Murray a run they don't know what they're doing and should step down, he's head and shoulders above everyone in the county at the moment, James Kelly a class act too.

begining (UK) - Posts: 319 - 14/04/2025 10:18:12    2601790

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Replying To begining:  "You're not the only one to notice this. 5 goals speaks for itself.

There's a few out injured but I believe there are 5 from Kilskyre/Moylough on the panel at the moment. They didn't make it out of the Intermediate B group last year.

If management can't give James Murray a run they don't know what they're doing and should step down, he's head and shoulders above everyone in the county at the moment, James Kelly a class act too."
the performance was a shambles. say what you like about bringing younger lads through and looking for talent at lower levels, but I agree, there has to be a better way of lining the team out there. Lads being played in positions that don't suit them at club level, not to mind at intercounty level.
Things immediately a little more stable with D Kelly's introduction at half time.
They would be better served looking at the 4 senior club semi-finalists and getting a squad from there, than the intermediate grade. Way too many there to expect a higher quality performance

Glaringly obvious vs Kildare that the team had no pace, especially up front. Same story at the weekend. London's forwards were exceptional with real hurling talent - no Meath player in that league. Full forward was Kilkenny minor / u20 but I dont know where the other 2 lads were from originally. Think their wing back was a Cork minor. And tehy are missing Jack Goulding this year.

Plenty lads on the bench that are better options, many improved things towards the end but the game was well gone.
Anyone notice a #27 on the bench - current Na Fianna (Dublin) wing / corner forward with brilliant natural touch and good pace - would surely add to the set up but not given a chance yet. All-ireland club medal in his back pocket. Instead we are looking at lads taking 3, 4, 5 touches to get a ball into the hand, and then moaning about getting a slap.

hurlingcowboy101 (Meath) - Posts: 28 - 14/04/2025 10:57:39    2601798

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Have to agree , very strange team selection , lots of players out of position , much better lads sat on the bench.
I actually thought it was a dummy team named friday.
Why the need to go for a outside manager?

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 429 - 14/04/2025 11:02:30    2601801

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Replying To hurlit:  "Have to agree , very strange team selection , lots of players out of position , much better lads sat on the bench.
I actually thought it was a dummy team named friday.
Why the need to go for a outside manager?"
I guess you could argue that Greville's links to Kildalkey give him both inside and outside status. The coach is from Wicklow with some limited experience with Dublin clubs.
Greville must lean on his selectors for guidance but if they are pushing players from their own lower grade clubs, then it's not going to end well. Would he not be better served with a representative from Ratoath, Kiltale, Kilmessan to help his rep from Kildalkey?

hurlingcowboy101 (Meath) - Posts: 28 - 14/04/2025 11:54:40    2601819

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Replying To hurlingcowboy101:  "the performance was a shambles. say what you like about bringing younger lads through and looking for talent at lower levels, but I agree, there has to be a better way of lining the team out there. Lads being played in positions that don't suit them at club level, not to mind at intercounty level.
Things immediately a little more stable with D Kelly's introduction at half time.
They would be better served looking at the 4 senior club semi-finalists and getting a squad from there, than the intermediate grade. Way too many there to expect a higher quality performance

Glaringly obvious vs Kildare that the team had no pace, especially up front. Same story at the weekend. London's forwards were exceptional with real hurling talent - no Meath player in that league. Full forward was Kilkenny minor / u20 but I dont know where the other 2 lads were from originally. Think their wing back was a Cork minor. And tehy are missing Jack Goulding this year.

Plenty lads on the bench that are better options, many improved things towards the end but the game was well gone.
Anyone notice a #27 on the bench - current Na Fianna (Dublin) wing / corner forward with brilliant natural touch and good pace - would surely add to the set up but not given a chance yet. All-ireland club medal in his back pocket. Instead we are looking at lads taking 3, 4, 5 touches to get a ball into the hand, and then moaning about getting a slap."
Jack Meagher was on the bench for Meath?

Selwyn (Meath) - Posts: 403 - 14/04/2025 12:04:11    2601821

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