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The not enough referee's excuse is one of the CCC's favourite ones.
BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 25/07/2023 09:53:26 2496716 Link 1 |
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I'm well accustomed to the world of Meath club GAA thanks. A club fixture at 7pm on All Ireland Sunday isn't normal enough, fella. My club does provide referees btw. But are you suggesting that clubs who have games fixed to play on Regular/All Ireland Sunday's at 7pm, are being punished for not providing referees?
Selwyn (Meath) - Posts: 383 - 25/07/2023 11:44:42 2496753 Link 0 |
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There's senior football and Intermediate fixtures for 7pm this sunday after the All Ireland Football Final. Theheinoking (Meath) - Posts: 128 - 25/07/2023 12:49:46 2496774 Link 0 |
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There's a hell of a lot more football games than hurling to be squeezed into a weekend.
Selwyn (Meath) - Posts: 383 - 25/07/2023 13:06:58 2496783 Link 0 |
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Can see Pats going very well in Junior and stepping up to intermediate. Very young team with lads to come back from what I've heard(And Kildalkey cant get promoted!) 1234me2 (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 26/07/2023 16:49:53 2497138 Link 0 |
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For the size of St Pats and the surrounding clubs they have to pick from they're a joke. Like they can pick from St. Colmcilles,Duleek, Vincents, St Marys, Slane. Its just beyond me how bad they are.
PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 119 - 26/07/2023 19:46:50 2497168 Link 1 |
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Makes a lot of sense Any team in a Championship should have a chance of winning it and the reality is only 3 or at a push 4 of the 12 have chance of doing that whereas if it was down to 8 it would leave a stronger IHC with all teams having a realist chance. By the way I think the Football should also have 8 senior teams also noelpconnon (Cavan) - Posts: 219 - 27/07/2023 08:50:06 2497210 Link 0 |
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whilst i am all for change and restructure your group of 8 senior teams will still see 4 qualify, therefore there is no cut throat set up to put fear into the supposed stronger teams, we need a system where if you lose 2 games your gone end of story, but unfortunately we don't have enough strong clubs to create that, of your 8 senior teams mentioned before a ball was pucked this year I would have said Trim Kildalkey and Ratoath will definitely qualify with the 4th been Kiltale or Na Fianna, please don't get me wrong here, I am not knocking your suggestion but i feel club hurling in Meath at present is very low standard which will again be proven when our county return to league and championship in the new year. What about combined teams from inter grade entering the senior championship ? pixey (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 27/07/2023 10:00:29 2497219 Link 0 |
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Who said 1 group of 8? Two groups of 4, now thats cut throat. Same as Offaly & Wexford PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 119 - 27/07/2023 10:19:11 2497226 Link 0 |
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Unfortunately no one from East Meath seems to want to play hurling, it's not like they have an abundance of players to choose from. Doesn't help them that clubs like Kildalkey, Ratoath and Kiltale etc seem to bring down senior players everytime they play them. That being said I doubt you'll consider them a joke in a few years time 1234me2 (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 27/07/2023 11:56:48 2497253 Link 0 |
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Wexford have 2 groups of 6, with 4 teams from each group going into the QFs. Offaly have 2 groups of 5, with 3 teams advancing to the knockouts. Our SHC groups actually have more at stake since only 50% of counties progress, compared to 66% in Wexford and 60% in Offaly. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1664 - 27/07/2023 12:03:48 2497256 Link 2 |
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Maybe going back to grassroots is the way forward. Does hurling in Meath get a fair shout in the County Board? Look at Kildalkey and Drumree putting out 3 teams and competing. We need to get buy-in from all the clubs to improve standards. We have a population of 220 000 in Meath, no shortage of potential for duel success. Let's see a 10 year plan where there is investment in Hurling.
TownJohnT (Meath) - Posts: 86 - 27/07/2023 12:19:33 2497261 Link 0 |
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Totally agree but it takes buy in from the clubs. Too many football only clubs and refusal to change that as most involved in said clubs never played the game. There was massive investment underage over the past decade in all the Standard hurling clubs and this was enforced by efforts of peter durnin and a few others. Unfortunately the CB cant force clubs to put out hurling teams but maybe a way of doing it would be to have a points scoring system for teams put out at each grade and in each code and then the population pull is factored into the score. Clubs with more points get more championship games and funding ect. Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 640 - 27/07/2023 13:52:32 2497296 Link 0 |
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Right so, the Meath SFC is a group of 4, same with IFC, 4 teams aswel. Why not SHC.
PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 119 - 27/07/2023 14:32:48 2497307 Link 0 |
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You're a bit harsh there buck
Selwyn (Meath) - Posts: 383 - 27/07/2023 17:12:05 2497336 Link 1 |
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Clubs with 3 teams name a 1st 15 who can only play senior, a 2nd 13 who can only play Intermediate and above. St Pats are getting a 28 player start on clubs with three teams. 3rd teams are made up of experienced and young players. That's all St Pats have to beat.
TownJohnT (Meath) - Posts: 86 - 27/07/2023 17:45:19 2497343 Link 1 |
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Not really. It's a failure of the county board that they are not putting coaches in the schools in these areas.
Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 418 - 27/07/2023 21:41:45 2497369 Link 0 |
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I wasn't aware that a club could bring a senior player down to play in the junior grade. How many senior players did kildalkey bring down for the junior 2 final last year?
Tobefair80 (Meath) - Posts: 70 - 27/07/2023 22:03:23 2497370 Link 0 |
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Yeah kildalkey bringing seniors players from 2010 down to play, the players playing for there juniors are well past senior hurling days
loyalroyal23 (Meath) - Posts: 20 - 27/07/2023 22:27:22 2497373 Link 0 |
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ok so 2 groups of 4, do you seed them based on previous year ? if so protecting the stringer teams, if you dont seed them you could end with lob sided semi final or final which defeats the purpose aswell. I know there is no quick fix and unless the game is pushed harder at club level in all the clubs that play hurling we will never overcome the current situation. Senior Championship. Trim and Kilmessan dominated for years, both fell away for long periods, Trim are now back and could dominate for a few a years, Kilmessan have a bit to go yet to return to the winners enclosure. Since the year 2000 we have had 6 winners of Jubliee with 2 of those with just 1 win so 4 clubs have accounted for 21 titles, Kiltale x 7, Kildalkey x 5, Kilmessan x 5, Trim x 4, Killyon x 1, Rathmolyon x 1. Maybe this is acceptable at club level but it highlights the issues we have at county level and these issues will be more apparent next year. Does anyone see any option of restructure to try make the senior championship more competitive ? Intermediate Championship. 11 winners in the same period if you count Athboy's 1 in the current CNG number. Of the 11 winners 2 teams have gone on to contest senior finals, Longwood promoted in 2009 and contested the SHC final in 2013, defeated by Kilmessan, Ratoath promoted in 2016 contested finals in 2020 and 2022 beaten each time by Trim. Boardsmill promoted in 2021, relegated in 2022, Wolfe Tones promoted in 2020 relegated in 2021, CNG promoted in 2019, still senior but in B group, Na Fianna promoted in 2018 and now competitive in A group, Navan o Mahonys promoted in 2017 and relegated in 2019 or 2020, not sure here. So my point been that the current IHC and SHC group B is not proving to be a stepping stone to success. No team promoted since the year 2000 has won a senior title. Do we need a restructure or do we need clubs to work harder. Our biggest towns, Dunboyne 15k people, poor Senior B, Ashbourne, 2016 population 13k people, Intermediate B, Navan, 2022 population figure 34k people, poor Intermediate A. We are not getting enough from these clubs despite the fact football is the first game. If these clubs cant push the boundaries harder our counties team's will suffer for ever more. Just my opinion, not looking for angry reaction just looking for any sensible thoughts people might have. pixey (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 28/07/2023 09:33:18 2497387 Link 1 |