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Reading some of these posts proves to me why Meath are so off the pace of 80% of county teams. We are embracing mediocrity in every sense, a mediocre tournament that is really for divisions 3 and 4 (Tommy Murphy cup) a mediocre manager, and a mediocre attitude among players. A mediocre cb too. If the supporters don't demand more then why should anyone else ??
Also the we would be in this competition in xyz I see as a straw man argument, I'm sure we would have played to a higher intensity v Derry last year (who we almost beat) if it was meaningful, and same previous years. How many dead rubbers did we have even under mod ? At leagues end. So for me that argument doesn't work. The draw has been very kind to us as if we can't beat tipp and Waterford we are worse than anyone thought.
For me though if we don't demand more of ourselves in every aspect then we will continue the slide into Gaa oblivion. Can you imagine any other county with our traditions been like this ? Look at Donegal look at what happened in Derry look at Armagh. They all demanded more and are reaping the rewards. But some seem to be happy for days out. I give up.
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Replying To royaldunne: "It's the Tommy Murphy cup under a different name. It's pathetic that we are in it. I'm ambivalent to it. Also I don't see many teams we will beat looking at them there Wexford might be our best chance in first game.
You just know we gonna draw Antrim too , Offaly would beat us easily if we drew them. Probably Leitrim would fancy their chances too. We are in such a diabolical situation I really don't know anymore" Reality is had the system being in place for the last 20 years we may have been in it a few times.
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Replying To royaldunne: "Reading some of these posts proves to me why Meath are so off the pace of 80% of county teams. We are embracing mediocrity in every sense, a mediocre tournament that is really for divisions 3 and 4 (Tommy Murphy cup) a mediocre manager, and a mediocre attitude among players. A mediocre cb too. If the supporters don't demand more then why should anyone else ??
Also the we would be in this competition in xyz I see as a straw man argument, I'm sure we would have played to a higher intensity v Derry last year (who we almost beat) if it was meaningful, and same previous years. How many dead rubbers did we have even under mod ? At leagues end. So for me that argument doesn't work. The draw has been very kind to us as if we can't beat tipp and Waterford we are worse than anyone thought.
For me though if we don't demand more of ourselves in every aspect then we will continue the slide into Gaa oblivion. Can you imagine any other county with our traditions been like this ? Look at Donegal look at what happened in Derry look at Armagh. They all demanded more and are reaping the rewards. But some seem to be happy for days out. I give up." Up to a point I think criticisms of county management can be good, putting some pressure on people to do well often improves performance.
But most can see that from the beginning you were anti COR and with the amount of posts you put in turned most topics into a debate of should COR be got rid of from a ridiculously early part of his stint as manager.
Saying COR has brought us into Tailteann doesn't automatically prove that things are worse now than previously.
It's a new system so we couldn't have been in it in previous years.
The format of the Tailteann means there could be big variations in what teams have to do year on year in division 2 to make the main championship later on in the season and the lottery of the provisional draws will play a big part.
Some years there could be 2 teams from division 2 in Tailteann but other years there could be 4 (or even 5) from division 2.
Kildare played great on Sunday but had Offaly scored with the last attack in normal time in their game against Louth Kildare would have been dragged into it.
Your comments on O'Rourke in his first year at the helm are inconsistent with your comments on Andy in his 6 years in charge, you didn't hold Andy to the same standards.
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Replying To bdbuddah: "Reality is had the system being in place for the last 20 years we may have been in it a few times." Might have. But I don't know. Lot of those dead rubbers in both mod and andys time would have become important.
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Replying To bdbuddah: "Up to a point I think criticisms of county management can be good, putting some pressure on people to do well often improves performance.
But most can see that from the beginning you were anti COR and with the amount of posts you put in turned most topics into a debate of should COR be got rid of from a ridiculously early part of his stint as manager.
Saying COR has brought us into Tailteann doesn't automatically prove that things are worse now than previously.
It's a new system so we couldn't have been in it in previous years.
The format of the Tailteann means there could be big variations in what teams have to do year on year in division 2 to make the main championship later on in the season and the lottery of the provisional draws will play a big part.
Some years there could be 2 teams from division 2 in Tailteann but other years there could be 4 (or even 5) from division 2.
Kildare played great on Sunday but had Offaly scored with the last attack in normal time in their game against Louth Kildare would have been dragged into it.
Your comments on O'Rourke in his first year at the helm are inconsistent with your comments on Andy in his 6 years in charge, you didn't hold Andy to the same standards." That's like saying if my aunt had cohoonas she'd be my uncle. The fact is the system wasn't in when other people was there. We had the Tommy Murphy cup. (Which is really this rebranded ) and we avoided that.
Anti Colm ? No. I adored him as a player, but I feared he would be a disaster as a manager and that has come to pass, He is NOT an inter county manager, he has proven that since taking over and previously with u21s. He should never have been given the job. Personally he will always be a hero of mine on the playing field. But he should have stuck to the punditry. For his sake and the sake of Meath football. I admire him for taking on the job when asked (in fairness I don't think he applied for it) but now that our worst fears are realized he should do the honourable thing and step aside. As it will not work going forward. I did say in andys last year that he shouldn't have stayed and he had come to an end. You like many others are confusing results with performance. In 70% (or thereabouts ) of andys games we got a performance and a structure, it may have been the wrong structure etc but at least the players looked like they bought into it, even under mod the players for the most part bought into it. In every game this year we looked lost even the ones we won, and they could be called flukey due to amount of goals . The fall off in player buy in is extremely disappointing, there is zero intensity zero creativity zero passion. Add that to the unbelievable fall off In fitness levels surely proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have made the wrong decision. You can say it's a agenda. And you know what it is. It's a agenda for saving Meath football and the reputation of one of our greatest players. For the good of Meath football there HAS to be a change. Otherwise we will just continue to slide and by end of next year who will take over then ? At least with the relegation of clare instead of us a proper ic manager will take us on next year. But leave it longer and no one will touch us.
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I see that Mikey Carey was persuaded to rejoin the Kilkenny panel and "he is believed to be undergoing a demanding physical regimen to get back up to speed for county action."
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/derek-lyng-coaxes-mikey-carey-back-into-kilkenny-hurling-fold-in-big-boost-for-cats/a186460103.html
Why couldn't we have done the same with Conor McGill? I agree with RD on this one. Huge huge loss - not just his ability but moreso his presence and experience in the area and for the team. I suspect that we would not be in the Tailteann Cup if that had been dealt with properly.
stillaroyal (Meath) - Posts: 224 - 03/05/2023 11:29:13
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Replying To royaldunne: "That's like saying if my aunt had cohoonas she'd be my uncle. The fact is the system wasn't in when other people was there. We had the Tommy Murphy cup. (Which is really this rebranded ) and we avoided that.
Anti Colm ? No. I adored him as a player, but I feared he would be a disaster as a manager and that has come to pass, He is NOT an inter county manager, he has proven that since taking over and previously with u21s. He should never have been given the job. Personally he will always be a hero of mine on the playing field. But he should have stuck to the punditry. For his sake and the sake of Meath football. I admire him for taking on the job when asked (in fairness I don't think he applied for it) but now that our worst fears are realized he should do the honourable thing and step aside. As it will not work going forward. I did say in andys last year that he shouldn't have stayed and he had come to an end. You like many others are confusing results with performance. In 70% (or thereabouts ) of andys games we got a performance and a structure, it may have been the wrong structure etc but at least the players looked like they bought into it, even under mod the players for the most part bought into it. In every game this year we looked lost even the ones we won, and they could be called flukey due to amount of goals . The fall off in player buy in is extremely disappointing, there is zero intensity zero creativity zero passion. Add that to the unbelievable fall off In fitness levels surely proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have made the wrong decision. You can say it's a agenda. And you know what it is. It's a agenda for saving Meath football and the reputation of one of our greatest players. For the good of Meath football there HAS to be a change. Otherwise we will just continue to slide and by end of next year who will take over then ? At least with the relegation of clare instead of us a proper ic manager will take us on next year. But leave it longer and no one will touch us." Think you will find he is an inter county manager as he is the manager of Meath.
A Question i would put to you is who would you think if COR was to go, would actually be suited to the job, and more importantly would actually be interested in it? And dont try and say fitz or mcguinness and dont bother recommending anyone from meath!
Who could we bring in tomorrow who is not in a contract that could turn things around immediately like you seem to think is quite possible with the team we have?
Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 631 - 03/05/2023 12:02:30
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Replying To royaldunne: "That's like saying if my aunt had cohoonas she'd be my uncle. The fact is the system wasn't in when other people was there. We had the Tommy Murphy cup. (Which is really this rebranded ) and we avoided that.
Anti Colm ? No. I adored him as a player, but I feared he would be a disaster as a manager and that has come to pass, He is NOT an inter county manager, he has proven that since taking over and previously with u21s. He should never have been given the job. Personally he will always be a hero of mine on the playing field. But he should have stuck to the punditry. For his sake and the sake of Meath football. I admire him for taking on the job when asked (in fairness I don't think he applied for it) but now that our worst fears are realized he should do the honourable thing and step aside. As it will not work going forward. I did say in andys last year that he shouldn't have stayed and he had come to an end. You like many others are confusing results with performance. In 70% (or thereabouts ) of andys games we got a performance and a structure, it may have been the wrong structure etc but at least the players looked like they bought into it, even under mod the players for the most part bought into it. In every game this year we looked lost even the ones we won, and they could be called flukey due to amount of goals . The fall off in player buy in is extremely disappointing, there is zero intensity zero creativity zero passion. Add that to the unbelievable fall off In fitness levels surely proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have made the wrong decision. You can say it's a agenda. And you know what it is. It's a agenda for saving Meath football and the reputation of one of our greatest players. For the good of Meath football there HAS to be a change. Otherwise we will just continue to slide and by end of next year who will take over then ? At least with the relegation of clare instead of us a proper ic manager will take us on next year. But leave it longer and no one will touch us." I do agree with you up and to a point that the Tailteann Cup is essentially a rebranding of the old Tommy Murphy cup or the All-Ireland B, but the GAA is doing more to promote it on an even keel with the Sam Maguire tournament and it is different this time. The seedings etc with the League are here to stay. If anything there will be more tiers in time. The old championship model is/was broken and this is a genuine attempt to try something new. I will give the people involved credit for that. Time will tell if this tournament gains traction.
On COR, he cant just step aside RD. He cant just walk out the door. That isnt how this works. You must remember the age profile of the panel, we have a very, very young set-up, say what you will about their ability etc but these guys need security and they need grounding. The leadership group of the team are older and have been around the block for a long time now but we have a number of squad members who are 20-24 and we will have U20's coming in now as well for this tournament. If Colm walks, these guys will lose vital development and coaching in the most vital time in their playing careers and will be whirled into a maelstrom of uncertainty and negativity. Imagine the media reaction. The leaders of the team would likely walk after the end of this campaign too. It just doesent happen. Whatever about the management - it can wait until we win this tournament or go out early.
Im with you 100% btw, the tactics are old-school in the extreme, he has sent out a team of kids to
kick the ball and go 15 on 15 and he has largely exonorated himself from blame a few times in interviews where he talked about giving the job two years to "see if he can get a tune" out of the players etc, then decide if he wants to stay on. If thats a manager's approach from first base, it isnt a winner's mentality. Players wont buy it. The tone and atmosphere of the whole situation isnt lost on me at all and you can see it on the pitch like you said. I think he was a great player and Ive respect for him for taking this on, however in my view he took on this job with a bluffer's mentality. I hope this intermission before the Tailteann cup gave everyone involved in the panel time to get some **** in order and get themselves into a position to tackle this tournament.
Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 589 - 03/05/2023 12:20:40
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Replying To royaldunne: "That's like saying if my aunt had cohoonas she'd be my uncle. The fact is the system wasn't in when other people was there. We had the Tommy Murphy cup. (Which is really this rebranded ) and we avoided that.
Anti Colm ? No. I adored him as a player, but I feared he would be a disaster as a manager and that has come to pass, He is NOT an inter county manager, he has proven that since taking over and previously with u21s. He should never have been given the job. Personally he will always be a hero of mine on the playing field. But he should have stuck to the punditry. For his sake and the sake of Meath football. I admire him for taking on the job when asked (in fairness I don't think he applied for it) but now that our worst fears are realized he should do the honourable thing and step aside. As it will not work going forward. I did say in andys last year that he shouldn't have stayed and he had come to an end. You like many others are confusing results with performance. In 70% (or thereabouts ) of andys games we got a performance and a structure, it may have been the wrong structure etc but at least the players looked like they bought into it, even under mod the players for the most part bought into it. In every game this year we looked lost even the ones we won, and they could be called flukey due to amount of goals . The fall off in player buy in is extremely disappointing, there is zero intensity zero creativity zero passion. Add that to the unbelievable fall off In fitness levels surely proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have made the wrong decision. You can say it's a agenda. And you know what it is. It's a agenda for saving Meath football and the reputation of one of our greatest players. For the good of Meath football there HAS to be a change. Otherwise we will just continue to slide and by end of next year who will take over then ? At least with the relegation of clare instead of us a proper ic manager will take us on next year. But leave it longer and no one will touch us." The Tommy Murphy was for the 8 teams relegated to division 4 plus Kilkenny so the Tailteann is something very different. Had any Meath manager brought us there this would have been much worse.
Previous Meath managers weren't put out of the main inter county competition for being mid table in division 2 like Meath have been this year. Over the last 20 years mid table in division 2 is a normal enough position for where we finish in the league.
Having bad results in Leinster championship has often happened in last 20 years.
You keep referencing we being in the Tailteann as proof O'Rourke has taken us to an all time low, it was an impossibility for previous managers to get the to the Tailteann so it's not an suitable comparison.
Had the vagaries of the provisional draws being a little different Meath's bad result against Offaly wouldn't have seen us put out of the man championship.
You say we may have been lucky to beat Cork and Clare, we never looked like losing against Clare and played well against Cork. If your making a case we could have lost both games you could argue over other games where we didn't get breaks.
Saying not all players buy into COR is probably correct but is true for most managers, from talking to one former Meath player the same was true of Andy. The criticisms of Andy on topics on this website was in reality similar to what you said here.
For most fair-minded people the jury is still out as to whether COR can make a success of this position but would be unfair not to give him a second year.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1360 - 03/05/2023 13:57:43
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Replying To royaldunne: "Reading some of these posts proves to me why Meath are so off the pace of 80% of county teams. We are embracing mediocrity in every sense, a mediocre tournament that is really for divisions 3 and 4 (Tommy Murphy cup) a mediocre manager, and a mediocre attitude among players. A mediocre cb too. If the supporters don't demand more then why should anyone else ??
Also the we would be in this competition in xyz I see as a straw man argument, I'm sure we would have played to a higher intensity v Derry last year (who we almost beat) if it was meaningful, and same previous years. How many dead rubbers did we have even under mod ? At leagues end. So for me that argument doesn't work. The draw has been very kind to us as if we can't beat tipp and Waterford we are worse than anyone thought.
For me though if we don't demand more of ourselves in every aspect then we will continue the slide into Gaa oblivion. Can you imagine any other county with our traditions been like this ? Look at Donegal look at what happened in Derry look at Armagh. They all demanded more and are reaping the rewards. But some seem to be happy for days out. I give up." Until people like you wake up and realise that we haven't been at the top table for 2 decades and only fools live on tradition , tradition wins nothing people that continue to live on tradition fail and that's what Meath have done .
You should look back since Sean Boylan finished and even his last couple of years and you might see the downward trend of Meath football where in your eyes it has only happened since Andy McEntee left .
Im still at a loss as to when it was we played all the brilliant matches under him you might send me the links as I'd love to watch them and in a future post you say 70% of his games we were competitive in and we played to a system , I think you are away with the fairy's.
You even mentioned MOD do you not remember the westmeath game was that one game not enough for you it was for me .
You also mentioned Derry they ended up in Div 4 Armagh Div 3 they came from rock bottom where we are now and it didn't happen over night for them , they didn't sack their manager after the first year .
When was it Meath last won anything , a div 3 title so why do you believe we are better than where we are just look at the list if teams that we have lost too over the last 10 years .
If you think loosing respectably is an achievement or loosing playing to a system that failed for 5 years then it's you that has accepted mediocrity , the last manager failed just like ODowd , Banty , Coyle , Barry all did
This is a young team that will improve maybe not to your expectations but hopefully the Tailtean Cup with a chance of playing 6 games will improve them to the next level and after that let COR be judged .
mmc (Meath) - Posts: 267 - 03/05/2023 14:32:53
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On COR, he cant just step aside RD. He cant just walk out the door. That isnt how this works. You must remember the age profile of the panel, we have a very, very young set-up, say what you will about their ability etc but these guys need security and they need grounding. The leadership group of the team are older and have been around the block for a long time now but we have a number of squad members who are 20-24 and we will have U20's coming in now as well for this tournament. If Colm walks, these guys will lose vital development and coaching in the most vital time in their playing careers and will be whirled into a maelstrom of uncertainty and negativity. Imagine the media reaction. The leaders of the team would likely walk after the end of this campaign too. It just doesent happen. Whatever about the management - it can wait until we win this tournament or go out early.
Im with you 100% btw, the tactics are old-school in the extreme, he has sent out a team of kids to
kick the ball and go 15 on 15 and he has largely exonorated himself from blame a few times in interviews where he talked about giving the job two years to "see if he can get a tune" out of the players etc, then decide if he wants to stay on. If thats a manager's approach from first base, it isnt a winner's mentality. Players wont buy it. The tone and atmosphere of the whole situation isnt lost on me at all and you can see it on the pitch like you said. I think he was a great player and Ive respect for him for taking this on, however in my view he took on this job with a bluffer's mentality. I hope this intermission before the Tailteann cup gave everyone involved in the panel time to get some **** in order and get themselves into a position to tackle this tournament." TC is not a rebranding of TM cup, totally different set up. Last year was a success and with new format, it looks like a winner. Hopefully our first and last season there, but it will be an achivement if we do. In no way do I think COR is a bluffer, has been around to long to go down that road. Never heard him being flippant about position, think he takes it very seriously, having said he will give it two years and if no improvement will step aside, nothing about deciding to stay on
No doubt there are flaws at present, but would not buy into lack of winning mentality. He may be a bit over protective of the players and not willing to blame them as we have seen before. All the coaching goes out the window when ball is thrown in and this is where we need the leaders to step up and enforce the game plan. So far this has been absent from our game. We need to accept there is no white knight out there ready to ride in and save us. Its been a long time coming and may take as long to fix.
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Replying To seadog54: "TC is not a rebranding of TM cup, totally different set up. Last year was a success and with new format, it looks like a winner. Hopefully our first and last season there, but it will be an achivement if we do. In no way do I think COR is a bluffer, has been around to long to go down that road. Never heard him being flippant about position, think he takes it very seriously, having said he will give it two years and if no improvement will step aside, nothing about deciding to stay on
No doubt there are flaws at present, but would not buy into lack of winning mentality. He may be a bit over protective of the players and not willing to blame them as we have seen before. All the coaching goes out the window when ball is thrown in and this is where we need the leaders to step up and enforce the game plan. So far this has been absent from our game. We need to accept there is no white knight out there ready to ride in and save us. Its been a long time coming and may take as long to fix." I don't think COR is a bluffer , I also hope nobody on here said it !
But that said I think he would have been a very successful manger during the 2000s to 2010 when attacking football was at it best.
I think he is like me , having a hate for defensive football and wanting to beat the system , but it will need rule changes like having 4 players in back line at all times for attacking football and a kicking game to be in vogue!
I think for now probably go with the flow with his backroom team and unfortunately adopted a more defensive system for now ! The TC cup could be a freestyle shootout which could be enjoyable for everyone involved to watch.
But we have to do a monkey see monkey do kinda defensive system for now me thinks :)
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Replying To Irish_downunder: "Think you will find he is an inter county manager as he is the manager of Meath.
A Question i would put to you is who would you think if COR was to go, would actually be suited to the job, and more importantly would actually be interested in it? And dont try and say fitz or mcguinness and dont bother recommending anyone from meath!
Who could we bring in tomorrow who is not in a contract that could turn things around immediately like you seem to think is quite possible with the team we have?" No one is expecting to turn things around immediately. Steady the ship. That was what Colm was supposed to do. Instead he brought us into free fall. For what it's worth we need a manger who next year will keep us in division two perhaps mid table. One thing for sure it that is NOT Colm O'Rourke. No disrespect to the man but he just is not up to the job. End of story. My money would be on obric.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/05/2023 18:06:03
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On COR, he cant just step aside RD. He cant just walk out the door. That isnt how this works. You must remember the age profile of the panel, we have a very, very young set-up, say what you will about their ability etc but these guys need security and they need grounding. The leadership group of the team are older and have been around the block for a long time now but we have a number of squad members who are 20-24 and we will have U20's coming in now as well for this tournament. If Colm walks, these guys will lose vital development and coaching in the most vital time in their playing careers and will be whirled into a maelstrom of uncertainty and negativity. Imagine the media reaction. The leaders of the team would likely walk after the end of this campaign too. It just doesent happen. Whatever about the management - it can wait until we win this tournament or go out early.
Im with you 100% btw, the tactics are old-school in the extreme, he has sent out a team of kids to
kick the ball and go 15 on 15 and he has largely exonorated himself from blame a few times in interviews where he talked about giving the job two years to "see if he can get a tune" out of the players etc, then decide if he wants to stay on. If thats a manager's approach from first base, it isnt a winner's mentality. Players wont buy it. The tone and atmosphere of the whole situation isnt lost on me at all and you can see it on the pitch like you said. I think he was a great player and Ive respect for him for taking this on, however in my view he took on this job with a bluffer's mentality. I hope this intermission before the Tailteann cup gave everyone involved in the panel time to get some **** in order and get themselves into a position to tackle this tournament." I agree. And what's more I think he brought sean boylan in as a screen from criticism which I find distasteful. But that's my own opinion. Look what I'm worried about is the damage that may be done to these young players going forward if we allow this to continue. I can see my view falling on deaf ears. But at what cost ?
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Replying To bdbuddah: "The Tommy Murphy was for the 8 teams relegated to division 4 plus Kilkenny so the Tailteann is something very different. Had any Meath manager brought us there this would have been much worse.
Previous Meath managers weren't put out of the main inter county competition for being mid table in division 2 like Meath have been this year. Over the last 20 years mid table in division 2 is a normal enough position for where we finish in the league.
Having bad results in Leinster championship has often happened in last 20 years.
You keep referencing we being in the Tailteann as proof O'Rourke has taken us to an all time low, it was an impossibility for previous managers to get the to the Tailteann so it's not an suitable comparison.
Had the vagaries of the provisional draws being a little different Meath's bad result against Offaly wouldn't have seen us put out of the man championship.
You say we may have been lucky to beat Cork and Clare, we never looked like losing against Clare and played well against Cork. If your making a case we could have lost both games you could argue over other games where we didn't get breaks.
Saying not all players buy into COR is probably correct but is true for most managers, from talking to one former Meath player the same was true of Andy. The criticisms of Andy on topics on this website was in reality similar to what you said here.
For most fair-minded people the jury is still out as to whether COR can make a success of this position but would be unfair not to give him a second year." I wholeheartedly disagree with you on this. With former management and I'll include up to banty we looked like we had structure. Mcentee had us fit. We have lost both that. And 6th isn't midtable. Even 5th is lower end but I'd take it. Clare have shown they are better than Meath. We lost to Offaly we lost to Kildare. The difference is they have better management.
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Replying To mmc: "Until people like you wake up and realise that we haven't been at the top table for 2 decades and only fools live on tradition , tradition wins nothing people that continue to live on tradition fail and that's what Meath have done .
You should look back since Sean Boylan finished and even his last couple of years and you might see the downward trend of Meath football where in your eyes it has only happened since Andy McEntee left .
Im still at a loss as to when it was we played all the brilliant matches under him you might send me the links as I'd love to watch them and in a future post you say 70% of his games we were competitive in and we played to a system , I think you are away with the fairy's.
You even mentioned MOD do you not remember the westmeath game was that one game not enough for you it was for me .
You also mentioned Derry they ended up in Div 4 Armagh Div 3 they came from rock bottom where we are now and it didn't happen over night for them , they didn't sack their manager after the first year .
When was it Meath last won anything , a div 3 title so why do you believe we are better than where we are just look at the list if teams that we have lost too over the last 10 years .
If you think loosing respectably is an achievement or loosing playing to a system that failed for 5 years then it's you that has accepted mediocrity , the last manager failed just like ODowd , Banty , Coyle , Barry all did
This is a young team that will improve maybe not to your expectations but hopefully the Tailtean Cup with a chance of playing 6 games will improve them to the next level and after that let COR be judged ." My expectations is 3/4/5 in division 2. Again you have wrote a load of horse**** to try and deflect from the situation we are in. If you can't see cor couldn't manage a *** up in a brewery. Then that's ur opinion.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/05/2023 18:15:22
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Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "I don't think COR is a bluffer , I also hope nobody on here said it !
But that said I think he would have been a very successful manger during the 2000s to 2010 when attacking football was at it best.
I think he is like me , having a hate for defensive football and wanting to beat the system , but it will need rule changes like having 4 players in back line at all times for attacking football and a kicking game to be in vogue!
I think for now probably go with the flow with his backroom team and unfortunately adopted a more defensive system for now ! The TC cup could be a freestyle shootout which could be enjoyable for everyone involved to watch.
But we have to do a monkey see monkey do kinda defensive system for now me thinks :)" They had good balance against Cork especially in second half, been a mixed bag in rest of games. Listened to a rugby podcast last week and it imcluded a piece on coaching. All seemed to agree the hardest part is transition from training ground to matchday. Everything going great on training ground, only for it to go out the window when pressure came on. That is why we need leaders throughtout the team, lads who stick to plan in real time and not be afraid to demand same from younger lads. Dont think we have many of these at moment. MN had this ability to organise the forwards Shane Mac to a lesser extent with backs. It was a trait that ran through all of SB teams, players demanding the best from each other.We need more onfield imput from experience guys, its not there at the moment.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 03/05/2023 20:04:13
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I'll leave the following quote from a Sligo players perspective.
"When it was put to us did we want to get to a Connacht final and the All-Ireland series or would it be better trying to win the Tailteann Cup everybody wanted to play the big teams because that is the only way you are going to get better."
That's all I think I will say on the matter. You only improve playing the best.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/05/2023 06:47:26
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Replying To stillaroyal: "I see that Mikey Carey was persuaded to rejoin the Kilkenny panel and "he is believed to be undergoing a demanding physical regimen to get back up to speed for county action."
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/derek-lyng-coaxes-mikey-carey-back-into-kilkenny-hurling-fold-in-big-boost-for-cats/a186460103.html
Why couldn't we have done the same with Conor McGill? I agree with RD on this one. Huge huge loss - not just his ability but moreso his presence and experience in the area and for the team. I suspect that we would not be in the Tailteann Cup if that had been dealt with properly." Im sorry but the lad knew this was a clean start for the whole county and everyone interested in playing was putting in the work. It not like last year was massively demanding for him. Knocked out early in county and Ratoath had a canter through the championship then wimpered out. Should have reported in like everyone else.
Showing up out of shape and not reaching the standard at training (the rest of the mediocre bunch were at) is not good enough from someone who should have been one of our main leaders.
Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 631 - 04/05/2023 08:41:26
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Replying To royaldunne: "I'll leave the following quote from a Sligo players perspective.
"When it was put to us did we want to get to a Connacht final and the All-Ireland series or would it be better trying to win the Tailteann Cup everybody wanted to play the big teams because that is the only way you are going to get better."
That's all I think I will say on the matter. You only improve playing the best." When it was put to us did we want to loose to either London or New York or play in the connaught final and All Ireland series is what was realy meant by these players .
Derry have improved by winning Armagh have improved by winning Louth improved by winning teams improve more by winning than getting hammered in any competition.
How much did meath improve with all the hammerings we received from Dublin over the last 12 years best team ever how much did we improve from our year in div 1 and super 8s , I'll tell you NONE hammerings demoralis players and supporters.
It might not mean much to you if this Meath team were to win the TC but I've no doubt it would mean a lot to the players and to a lot of supporters , supporters who have never seen a meath Senior team win anything .
All that's wrong with you is you slagged the westmeath people about the Tailtean Cup last year and it has come back to haunt you i done the same but get over it because they are in for 3 beatings in the All Ireland series
mmc (Meath) - Posts: 267 - 04/05/2023 12:19:11
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