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Manager Merry Go Round

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Ratoath and KR have managed the communication well publicly. Over 2 months since approaches were made but to only announce it now makes it look better for him. Still not great to be moving from one senior club to another straight away, don't know what the situation was for not staying on at Trim. A rumoured pay increase from 25k to 60k would ensure no sleep is lost.

royal11 (Meath) - Posts: 102 - 08/01/2023 18:25:44    2451554

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Replying To Ashrules:  "Pat Flanagan did nothing wrong. It is normal for people on the luck out to get a job offer and then a better one. Happens all the time. Job loyalty is a fairytale that nobody should swallow. Havent we all had a boss who gave great speeches about the need for us to show loyalty to the firm ,Then scarper as soon as he got something better.
It is just normal life"
He had taken the job and started with the players and then got a better offer,it was then he should have said to the better offer I'm sorry but I've given my word to another club I can't take u up maybe next time

royal1967 (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 08/01/2023 18:44:59    2451560

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Replying To royal11:  "Ratoath and KR have managed the communication well publicly. Over 2 months since approaches were made but to only announce it now makes it look better for him. Still not great to be moving from one senior club to another straight away, don't know what the situation was for not staying on at Trim. A rumoured pay increase from 25k to 60k would ensure no sleep is lost."
Ah here!! There is no way Ratoath are paying €60k! That is just laughable!

As for the other stuff about Reilly leaving Trim and Brady leaving Ratoath - it makes for good chat - so why let the truth get in the way of a good story!!

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 511 - 08/01/2023 20:18:51    2451608

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Replying To Royalblufill:  "Ah here!! There is no way Ratoath are paying €60k! That is just laughable!

As for the other stuff about Reilly leaving Trim and Brady leaving Ratoath - it makes for good chat - so why let the truth get in the way of a good story!!"
I just don't know how people throw out these figures when they are cleary not true. How could anyone justify being paid 60k to manage a GAA team.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 08/01/2023 20:54:13    2451622

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "I just don't know how people throw out these figures when they are cleary not true. How could anyone justify being paid 60k to manage a GAA team."
As others say
Why let the truth get in the way of a good story
Ratoath have a great set up and also have a great manager in Kevin Riely
The combination of the players they have, the coaching they have the drive they have and the manager they have will make them the team to beat
This is all good for the Meath championship and the county
I hope more teams follow this model and we will be dining at the top table of Lienster football again and hopefully competing for all Irelands

Awaywin (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 08/01/2023 21:40:01    2451641

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Replying To Awaywin:  "As others say
Why let the truth get in the way of a good story
Ratoath have a great set up and also have a great manager in Kevin Riely
The combination of the players they have, the coaching they have the drive they have and the manager they have will make them the team to beat
This is all good for the Meath championship and the county
I hope more teams follow this model and we will be dining at the top table of Lienster football again and hopefully competing for all Irelands"
Of course we could all aspire to do what Ratoath are doing, but we don't have several multi millionaires and a billionaire in our club. The simple fact is they can offer what they like to a manager and all that comes with him. No other club has that fiance behind them. People on here talking consistently about Reillys time in Trim, nobody mentions how he got on before that. Was manager of O'Mahonys and hardly won a game.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 09/01/2023 14:15:38    2451715

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Replying To latouche25:  "Of course we could all aspire to do what Ratoath are doing, but we don't have several multi millionaires and a billionaire in our club. The simple fact is they can offer what they like to a manager and all that comes with him. No other club has that fiance behind them. People on here talking consistently about Reillys time in Trim, nobody mentions how he got on before that. Was manager of O'Mahonys and hardly won a game."
Your forgetting one big big thing
Ratoath have proven, it's not all about the manager or money
They have won 3 championships with 3 different managers, its about the players and their drive and commitment to be the best they can
Management are just facilitating this.
GAA is not about money, we don't have transfers like the soccer, a county championship cannot be bought
Most clubs pay managers now and some a lot more then ratoath, doesn't mean you will have success

Awaywin (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 09/01/2023 15:36:10    2451734

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Hoganstand article announcing Kevin Riely as the new ratoath manager has described ratoath as a
"Dublin border" based club
Obviously it was written by someone who has no clue of the geography of Meath
Not one inch of ratoath boarders Dublin
Poor journalism

Awaywin (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 09/01/2023 18:18:36    2451774

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Replying To Awaywin:  "Your forgetting one big big thing
Ratoath have proven, it's not all about the manager or money
They have won 3 championships with 3 different managers, its about the players and their drive and commitment to be the best they can
Management are just facilitating this.
GAA is not about money, we don't have transfers like the soccer, a county championship cannot be bought
Most clubs pay managers now and some a lot more then ratoath, doesn't mean you will have success"
Yes you are correct, Ratoath have a great group of players at the moment. It is great to see so many of them are dual players. I know all clubs are paying managers these days, I'm not sure if there is any clubs in Meath paying more than Ratoath are. The issue is that most clubs can't afford what these men are asking for. I know of one senior club that was asked for anything from 35k to 60k for their services and that was to train the senior team only. How can any club survive this, we are in a race to the bottom at the moment and there appears to be no end to it. The point I was making is that Ratoath are one of the only clubs I know of with the resources.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 09/01/2023 21:15:06    2451788

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Replying To Awaywin:  "Hoganstand article announcing Kevin Riely as the new ratoath manager has described ratoath as a
"Dublin border" based club
Obviously it was written by someone who has no clue of the geography of Meath
Not one inch of ratoath boarders Dublin
Poor journalism"
For some reason or another, clubs north of Navan have a bee in their bonnet with clubs in East Meath in particular, with the usual ''Dublin border'' stuff thrown around.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 10/01/2023 10:14:57    2451808

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Replying To Awaywin:  "Hoganstand article announcing Kevin Riely as the new ratoath manager has described ratoath as a
"Dublin border" based club
Obviously it was written by someone who has no clue of the geography of Meath
Not one inch of ratoath boarders Dublin
Poor journalism"
Usual rubbish from from some people down the far side of Navan.

Article last year by a meath journalist about Jamie McGrath getting his first senior Ireland cap and how although he was the second Meath man after Dunboynes Darragh Lenihan to get a cap it would resonate more with the majority of Meath soccer fans with him being from Athboy and given Dunboynes proximity to Dublin.

So basically Jamie McGrath is more Meath than Darragh Lenihan was the nonsense he was coming out with.

I remember reading it at the time and thinking what an absolutely ridiculous article.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 10/01/2023 10:55:16    2451818

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "For some reason or another, clubs north of Navan have a bee in their bonnet with clubs in East Meath in particular, with the usual ''Dublin border'' stuff thrown around."
Because there hateful

Northmeath1993 (Meath) - Posts: 51 - 10/01/2023 11:45:23    2451837

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In fairness ratoath were in jnr for yrs.struggling or underachieving make up ur own . on that.they lucky now with financial backing and strong numbers to deal with.but really and truly about 20 players are at any given time fit for senior.players committed and focused to task at hand is crucial to any club.equally the volunteers working there are vital to club running smoothly.looking after ur own corner is all you can do.prob easier for managers in these type clubs with facilities support and now championships won.but it can go pear-shaped very easy if all not pulling together.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 10/01/2023 12:12:11    2451839

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Replying To Northmeath1993:  "Because there hateful"
Your lucky you don't have to meet them that often so
As most of them are senior clubs

Awaywin (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 10/01/2023 14:09:04    2451874

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Why are the county board persisting with cup competitions again this year in February considering they didn't bother finishing them last year? Would it not have been better to play them as a knockout tournament again or don't go ahead with it at all. Who's to say it wont be finished again this year, with the weather usually terrible this time of year and pitches not playable. The season is long enough as it is. They clearly don't expect to finish it on time again as they have the finals penciled in for the same weekend the A Leagues start.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 10/01/2023 14:39:14    2451886

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Replying To latouche25:  "Of course we could all aspire to do what Ratoath are doing, but we don't have several multi millionaires and a billionaire in our club. The simple fact is they can offer what they like to a manager and all that comes with him. No other club has that fiance behind them. People on here talking consistently about Reillys time in Trim, nobody mentions how he got on before that. Was manager of O'Mahonys and hardly won a game."
Exactly. Another poster said Reilly is a great manager! I think he has a good way to go before he is great. He took a Trim took, who were well ahead in the Intermediate grade. He got them out of the easiest group in Senior and they were then bet. Also, Ratoath's money men are paying, not just Kevin as manager, but also a very highly regarded coach who came in with Brady, called Kevin Stritch. He is definitely not cheap, so the €60k mentioned is probably correct for the management team

Tinchy1 (Meath) - Posts: 66 - 11/01/2023 08:41:29    2451974

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Replying To Tinchy1:  "Exactly. Another poster said Reilly is a great manager! I think he has a good way to go before he is great. He took a Trim took, who were well ahead in the Intermediate grade. He got them out of the easiest group in Senior and they were then bet. Also, Ratoath's money men are paying, not just Kevin as manager, but also a very highly regarded coach who came in with Brady, called Kevin Stritch. He is definitely not cheap, so the €60k mentioned is probably correct for the management team"
Not really 'Exactly'. There are plenty of clubs who have good financial backing (maybe not as much as Ratoath but certainly good backing) Reilly had spoken to a number of other clubs after leaving Trim before the Ratoath position became available and I know for a fact he was offered more 'Expenses' at one of them than at Ratoath but he has chosen the best club in the county in order to learn himself and hopefully win a few extra titles for the club and his CV as a manager. The talk of 'its the money men that have made them successful' is embarrassing. Yes it has helped in terms of putting the facilities in place, but it didn't buy the players, it doesn't motivate the players and it hasn't paid for the 3 Keegans in the last 4 years, the Intermediate and Leinster title in 2015 and the Junior in 2012.
As for him being a 'Great Manager'. On this I agree with you, I think he did very well with Trim, as they should have won the Inter grade the year previous as well and didn't, he pulled them together and got them over the line, also getting to an All Ireland Final is great at any grade and not easily done, regardless of how easy the county win was. I think he will do well, but now with Ratoath the minimum expectation is a Keegan so in order to stand out in his new position its his Leinster run (IF they retain the Keegan) that he will be judged on.

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 11/01/2023 11:55:59    2452017

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Replying To ratlag:  "Not really 'Exactly'. There are plenty of clubs who have good financial backing (maybe not as much as Ratoath but certainly good backing) Reilly had spoken to a number of other clubs after leaving Trim before the Ratoath position became available and I know for a fact he was offered more 'Expenses' at one of them than at Ratoath but he has chosen the best club in the county in order to learn himself and hopefully win a few extra titles for the club and his CV as a manager. The talk of 'its the money men that have made them successful' is embarrassing. Yes it has helped in terms of putting the facilities in place, but it didn't buy the players, it doesn't motivate the players and it hasn't paid for the 3 Keegans in the last 4 years, the Intermediate and Leinster title in 2015 and the Junior in 2012.
As for him being a 'Great Manager'. On this I agree with you, I think he did very well with Trim, as they should have won the Inter grade the year previous as well and didn't, he pulled them together and got them over the line, also getting to an All Ireland Final is great at any grade and not easily done, regardless of how easy the county win was. I think he will do well, but now with Ratoath the minimum expectation is a Keegan so in order to stand out in his new position its his Leinster run (IF they retain the Keegan) that he will be judged on."
This is all just a great laugh!! Ratoath's money men!!!! - Millionaires and even a billionaire!! I'd say the guessing games in Ratoath around who the billionaire is are in full swing!!

Ratoath are lucky they have some great sponsors who have supported the club in the past. But to what extent? I mean what do these companies get out of sponsoring a local club.

I think if they were spending €65k on a manager they would probably do better offering David Clifford a job and paying him instead!!!

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 11/01/2023 12:41:04    2452023

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "This is all just a great laugh!! Ratoath's money men!!!! - Millionaires and even a billionaire!! I'd say the guessing games in Ratoath around who the billionaire is are in full swing!!

Ratoath are lucky they have some great sponsors who have supported the club in the past. But to what extent? I mean what do these companies get out of sponsoring a local club.

I think if they were spending €65k on a manager they would probably do better offering David Clifford a job and paying him instead!!!"
And what I mean bout to what extent - these sponsors are doing it because of their commitment to the club rather than for it to benefit their businesses to any huge extent! If that is what they wanted - I am sure they could do better with their cash!

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 11/01/2023 13:20:09    2452035

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "And what I mean bout to what extent - these sponsors are doing it because of their commitment to the club rather than for it to benefit their businesses to any huge extent! If that is what they wanted - I am sure they could do better with their cash!"
Exactly, I agree with you here. But all the investment in the world doesn't make good players, it merely gives the foundations for them to improve. The talk of having the money to pay for managers and highlighting this as the reason for success completely ignores the work doe by the underage coaches who aren't getting any money and set the foundations for the senior adult teams.

Anyway, Reilly is in Ratoath now and we will see if he can help to improve them from last year.

Does anyone have a list of teams still waiting to fill positions?

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 11/01/2023 13:40:23    2452039

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