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Replying To begining:  "Attacks on a referee from a anonymous account shouldn't be allowed.

Video footage of both red cards from Trim and Kildalkey game have been doing the rounds on social media. How anyone can criticize the referee for these cards is beyond me.

Says a lot about the clubs if they think both reds weren't justified and were worthy of an appeal. The Kildalkey red was extremely dangerous, Trim player was lucky he didn't end up in hospital."
You might not be in the know on this one but the ref messed up his dates on his report and this lead to both cards not being accepted.

What I don't understand is if the ref did make a mistake on the report and we are all human why the result of the game is accepted but the cards not.

Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 418 - 03/08/2022 13:24:02    2436004

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Replying To begining:  "Attacks on a referee from a anonymous account shouldn't be allowed.

Video footage of both red cards from Trim and Kildalkey game have been doing the rounds on social media. How anyone can criticize the referee for these cards is beyond me.

Says a lot about the clubs if they think both reds weren't justified and were worthy of an appeal. The Kildalkey red was extremely dangerous, Trim player was lucky he didn't end up in hospital."
Point taken on questioning the referee, perhaps i should not do it here,

however i would point out the following.

The unit responsible for removing such suspensions do not do so on a whim, or feeling sorry for someone, these things are generally done on technicalities or video evidence.

According to reports the reason for these suspensions been lifted was down to a reporting technicality which invalidated the report, so much so i believe if a player had received a serious injury which led to the cards both players would still have been cleared. 99% of players cleared is down to technicalities or wrong application of rule when issuing suspensions.

IMO i believe a referee should not be talking on public forums about his style or his way of reffing games, there is only one way IMO to ref a game and that's to apply the rules at every opportunity. there is no rule in the rule book that allows a ref to apply his own way or style, if its a free or a penalty in the 25 min it should be the same in the 1st or 61st. i am sure if one of the big name referees took part in a podcast and talked about the fact of been proud of only giving 1 free in a college game and 2 in club game that he would be pulled aside and spoken with.

Its a thankless job but part of the payment received means you (the ref) must compile a report of the outcome and submit to the body responsible and i believe in this case the report was inaccurate.

again i agree the suspension's should have stood and i did not criticize the referee for issuing red cards to both players.

pixey (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 03/08/2022 13:33:26    2436006

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The only thing im surprised about is posters on here thinking a kildalkey player would actually serve a suspension.
Clear cut 3 month ban for strike on the head.
I would say na fianna will be most annoyed as it could have left the game alot closer friday night and could have cost them a chance of getting out of the group which now looks very difficult.

Hard to believe dunboyne topped group b last year , shows the difference in standard and why they really need to cut teams from senior and go to at most 8 clubs in total.

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 424 - 03/08/2022 13:54:56    2436018

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Replying To pixey:  "Point taken on questioning the referee, perhaps i should not do it here,

however i would point out the following.

The unit responsible for removing such suspensions do not do so on a whim, or feeling sorry for someone, these things are generally done on technicalities or video evidence.

According to reports the reason for these suspensions been lifted was down to a reporting technicality which invalidated the report, so much so i believe if a player had received a serious injury which led to the cards both players would still have been cleared. 99% of players cleared is down to technicalities or wrong application of rule when issuing suspensions.

IMO i believe a referee should not be talking on public forums about his style or his way of reffing games, there is only one way IMO to ref a game and that's to apply the rules at every opportunity. there is no rule in the rule book that allows a ref to apply his own way or style, if its a free or a penalty in the 25 min it should be the same in the 1st or 61st. i am sure if one of the big name referees took part in a podcast and talked about the fact of been proud of only giving 1 free in a college game and 2 in club game that he would be pulled aside and spoken with.

Its a thankless job but part of the payment received means you (the ref) must compile a report of the outcome and submit to the body responsible and i believe in this case the report was inaccurate.

again i agree the suspension's should have stood and i did not criticize the referee for issuing red cards to both players."
Fair point. No excuse for poor admin if you're getting paid.

But you do get variance in how the rules are applied. There's a massive grey area around contact in the tackle at the moment. You often have 3 or 4 players tackling one, how can you be definite that 1 of these players isn't fouling or the player in possession isn't overcarrying? You'd want 6 sets of eyes. That's why there's good refs and bad ones. Good games and bad games. The Munster final this year is a perfect example of letting the game go for the benefit of the spectacle.

In Meath club hurling we have some of the best free takers in the country. With some refs you are guaranteed 10-15 scoreable frees a game. In my opinion that's too high and a sign refs are blowing too much. the free count needs to come down for the betterment of the game.

For reference. KK v Limerick there were 16 frees scored in the final. 9 for kk, 7 Limerick. In a 70 min match.

begining (UK) - Posts: 311 - 04/08/2022 10:53:34    2436143

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Replying To begining:  "Fair point. No excuse for poor admin if you're getting paid.

But you do get variance in how the rules are applied. There's a massive grey area around contact in the tackle at the moment. You often have 3 or 4 players tackling one, how can you be definite that 1 of these players isn't fouling or the player in possession isn't overcarrying? You'd want 6 sets of eyes. That's why there's good refs and bad ones. Good games and bad games. The Munster final this year is a perfect example of letting the game go for the benefit of the spectacle.

In Meath club hurling we have some of the best free takers in the country. With some refs you are guaranteed 10-15 scoreable frees a game. In my opinion that's too high and a sign refs are blowing too much. the free count needs to come down for the betterment of the game.

For reference. KK v Limerick there were 16 frees scored in the final. 9 for kk, 7 Limerick. In a 70 min match."
No matter what people say about 'letting the game flow' there were more than 2 frees in the first half of that game and as the half went on the 'tackles' became more and more dangerous. Now it's almost a fact of life in sport that players will take more and more liberties if allowed to do so by referees and this is what happened here. Then to compound matters more there were a few very easy frees awarded early in the second half, making it very difficult for players to understand what was a free and what wasn't.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 05/08/2022 13:32:55    2436332

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Dunboyne V Kildalkey: Should be a formality for Kildalkey, 10+

Na Fianna CLG V Kiltale: Could potentially be tight, although I see Kiltale having too much in the end, Kiltale by 5

Ratoath V Trim: Another interesting one, the second half Trim v Kildalkey would beat anyone in this championship but I can't see them doing that to a physical Ratoath team, Ratoath by 2

Blackhall Gaels V Killyon: Tight affair possibly, Killyon by 3

Clann na nGael V Boardsmill: Clann na Ngael by 5

Longwood V Kilmessan: Draw

countyman123 (Meath) - Posts: 34 - 11/08/2022 12:54:33    2437058

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When does the RSHC (Real Hurling Championship) start that is when are Quarter Finals on as this Round Robin is really a pile of Challenges. Its great to see the likes of Blackhall competing well in the B division but when the real Hurling starts they be well down the pecking order.

Time to whittle the Senior down to 8 teams. (6 from Group A plus top 2 in Group B) 2 groups of 4. Introduce a SHCB for next 8 (Bottom 4 in Group B and 4 IHC semi finalists) and the other 8 Intermediate make up the a competitive IHC

glenny (Meath) - Posts: 1115 - 12/08/2022 09:29:08    2437119

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Replying To glenny:  "When does the RSHC (Real Hurling Championship) start that is when are Quarter Finals on as this Round Robin is really a pile of Challenges. Its great to see the likes of Blackhall competing well in the B division but when the real Hurling starts they be well down the pecking order.

Time to whittle the Senior down to 8 teams. (6 from Group A plus top 2 in Group B) 2 groups of 4. Introduce a SHCB for next 8 (Bottom 4 in Group B and 4 IHC semi finalists) and the other 8 Intermediate make up the a competitive IHC"
i would go to 6 teams, 1 group, 5 round robin games, top 2 in a final, stop this bull of losing 2 games and winning a championship like has happened, the best 2 make a final and its balls out from round 1. our current championship is very poor quality,

pixey (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 12/08/2022 11:30:48    2437143

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You guys must forget how bad old format was to say current one is bad.
Its not perfect by any stretch but teams are matched in ability at least.
Would agree 6 or max 8 teams is way forward and have a senior b championship on its own.

Football champ is the same , way too many bad teams and formality of group stages every year.

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 424 - 12/08/2022 15:22:40    2437186

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I would go 8 Senior, 8 Intermediate and the rest Junior. No point in calling a championship B for creating the illusion of being a "Senior" club, only exception would be for Junior, where Junior B could be a separate grade.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 12/08/2022 18:09:59    2437225

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Some with for Blackhall last night!

Meathman678 (Meath) - Posts: 63 - 13/08/2022 11:38:16    2437260

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Replying To glenny:  "When does the RSHC (Real Hurling Championship) start that is when are Quarter Finals on as this Round Robin is really a pile of Challenges. Its great to see the likes of Blackhall competing well in the B division but when the real Hurling starts they be well down the pecking order.

Time to whittle the Senior down to 8 teams. (6 from Group A plus top 2 in Group B) 2 groups of 4. Introduce a SHCB for next 8 (Bottom 4 in Group B and 4 IHC semi finalists) and the other 8 Intermediate make up the a competitive IHC"
It's great to see blackhall "competing" with kilyon last night.

PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 119 - 13/08/2022 15:36:57    2437286

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the SHC has become a borefest alright. never seen such a strung out championship for the sake of it. senior shouls be one group of 6 , everyone gets 5 games top 2 straight into final , 6th relegated. people might compain of dead rubbers in last round but we have that anyway as it is. its better than this phoney war shiit at the minute, losing two games and still in with a shout, sure no wonder meath county team gets hockeyed. what we have is a glorified league. no cutting edge at all until quter finals, its a waste of time and resources. at least senior b is cut throat. 4 teams going out of a six team group is crazy stuff. i know people may say, you have the best teams all playing one another, now lets be realistic it can be fairly turgid stuff at times, there not limerick, cork , tipp playing.

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 767 - 13/08/2022 18:22:54    2437298

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How many go out of group b is it 2, killyon after a good start have to win there last game or they won't qualify the wheels seems to hav come off the championship at the minute

royal1967 (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 14/08/2022 08:11:40    2437315

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never liked the notion of a "Senior b" championship , offaly, westmeath and now kildare have all implemneted it in past few years, your either senior or not!
8 senior teams is probably best all in one group, 7 games each, top 4 to semis. (Kiltale, Trim, Kildalkey, Ratoath,Na Fianna,Killyon, Clann a gael, Blackhall )something like that
8 Intermediate teams 7 games each (Dunboyne, Boardsmill,Kilmessan, Longwood, Drumree, Dunderry, Rathmoylan, Kilskyre)
Junior (Navan,Wolfe Tones,Gael Colmcille, Donaghmore, Trim b, Kildalkey b,Kilmessan b, St pats)
Junior 2 championship (11 or 12 other b,c teams, into two groups.
getting lots of good quality even games is good for clubs in all levels

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 761 - 14/08/2022 16:06:24    2437365

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Replying To dickie10:  "was doing the maths today. If Na Fianna were to pull off a shock victory over Kiltale in the next round or just got Kiltale on a "bad" day and beat them, wouldnt that be almost certain to knock on of the big guns out of the championship except Kiltale? a win for Na fianna coupled with expected win over Dunboyne in the last game would leave NF on 6 points and qualified along with Kiltale on 6, it would be a straight shoot out between kildlakey and ratoath for qualification if trim beat ratoath next week, kildalkey would be on 4, assume the defeat dunboyne and rataoth possible on 3, if ratoath beat trim then trim are on 3 and could go out if kiltale beat them. the only ones not to lose out on all this are kiltale already now qualified. a loss for kiltale in next round would have a bit of a silver lining for them, if they did happen to have an off day."
Na Fianna did very well today and were leading by point with 5 minutes left. Experience and Regan points got them over the line.

NF now need Kildalkey to beat Ratoath and to win vs Dunboyne (not a formality) to qualify.

Trim and Kiltale already into semis so 'dead rubber' coming up, but Kiltale are in the JHC final I think after beating Dunboyne at the weekend so can't afford to empty the bench.

slane85 (Meath) - Posts: 13 - 14/08/2022 21:14:06    2437427

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Some game in Navan yesterday. Not entirely sure if any of the reds were actually red cards, but some result for Trim.

Meathman678 (Meath) - Posts: 63 - 15/08/2022 09:56:35    2437457

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Trim came out firing in the second half of that game yesterday, they won every 50/50 and just seemed hungrier.

Out of all the reds, the first one as far as I could see was for a drag down off the ball right infront of the linesman. The other 2, I wonder what the ref saw. Interesting to see if they stand.

B52M (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 15/08/2022 15:00:52    2437521

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Replying To Meathman678:  "Some game in Navan yesterday. Not entirely sure if any of the reds were actually red cards, but some result for Trim."
2 reds for Trim definately, 2nd one for a shoulder to the head. Ratoath red was for 3rd man in, so red. 3rd red was also missed on head high tackle on Ratoath no 6 in second half.

3feetoftimber (Meath) - Posts: 113 - 15/08/2022 15:21:39    2437524

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Replying To B52M:  "Trim came out firing in the second half of that game yesterday, they won every 50/50 and just seemed hungrier.

Out of all the reds, the first one as far as I could see was for a drag down off the ball right infront of the linesman. The other 2, I wonder what the ref saw. Interesting to see if they stand."
First looked a strike but nothing much in it. The 2 together could have easily been 2 yellows and really should have been

countyman123 (Meath) - Posts: 34 - 15/08/2022 16:24:39    2437537

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