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Replying To atta:  "Any manager with a big ego would love the Meath job. A county with a massive footballing population, just waiting for the right man to push us back up to the top."
Absolutely meath are always a big draw as there is huge potential in meath, allot can change in just a few years just look at galway, I'm surprised it's taken this long to appoint a new manager to be honest.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 681 - 16/07/2022 12:26:25    2432322

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Replying To Thejoeshow:  "There's a clear difference between subjectively having an opinion on managers or players or officials and voicing them, agree some on here have gone past the line, I personally haven't and never would as they are all volunteers but I do think they way things were handled is a negative.

Also the story of the u20s is not as clear cut as it seems and we have heard one side only via the media and posts other sides have remained silent. If you read between the lines of Robbie brennans interview recently it was not how it was made out to be. Reality is for those involved bar Bernie Andy would take less of the blame then board and Bernie himself. The biggest act of self interest was abandoning the u20s so close to the championship in my view.

Surely you can see how sending anonymous threatening letters to someone's family home is outside the lines? It needs to left in the past but Meath or sport aside normalising this behaviour is bizarre.

As seadog and Brian have rightly said, past is the past, it may impact on the present with a new manager but once that's done it all needs to be buried. We have infought too long and have lost touch with resources like Colm and Sean boylan to name two, culture change needed from top and from fans."
Well said.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/07/2022 19:08:45    2432389

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "is there proof that Andy reneged on agreement that was in place? Because I have heard from people I would class as credible that no such agreement was in place. Seems to be Flynn believes there was an agreement in place and it was reneged on but the CB and Andy believe there was no such agreement at all. Us mere mortals will never know I guess."
There wasn't. The agreement was based on any clash with league, not championship. This never became public knowledge because the leaks were all coming from one side. This detail was always left out as a point of convenience you could say but it's water under the bridge now.

Other stuff I've heard from that camp would fill me with even less confidence, but whoever gets it should have everyone's support anyway, tough job is an understatement.

dunboynelad (Meath) - Posts: 227 - 17/07/2022 19:34:43    2432551

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Replying To Analyst:  "True, but it was circulated at the time of Flynns appointment that there was an agreement so i tske it there was. In any case i firmly believe that U20's should be released at all times for the overall sake of county teams, if a senior squad is dependent on a few U20's then something is amiss"
To be honest I don'recall any agreement being circulated at the time of his appointment and I can only remember this alleged agreement coming to light when Flynn walked away and it was a claim he was making with no evidence or without anyone backing this claim up so to say Andy reneged on an agreement I think is wrong when you have zero evidence of this.

As I said I had heard there was no agreement at all and I had also heard as another poster has said that it was an agreement that if there was a clash during the league that u20 championship would get priority . It didn't cover the senior inter county championship so if that is the case there was no agreement in place and it certainly was reneged on.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 18/07/2022 09:32:33    2432626

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "To be honest I don'recall any agreement being circulated at the time of his appointment and I can only remember this alleged agreement coming to light when Flynn walked away and it was a claim he was making with no evidence or without anyone backing this claim up so to say Andy reneged on an agreement I think is wrong when you have zero evidence of this.

As I said I had heard there was no agreement at all and I had also heard as another poster has said that it was an agreement that if there was a clash during the league that u20 championship would get priority . It didn't cover the senior inter county championship so if that is the case there was no agreement in place and it certainly was reneged on."
Very good points Blackspot, and this is the concern that's now in place for me. As i said last week the U20 thing, it was a he said she said scenario that'll never be truly answered. But here's the thing, which side did the information come from? Which candidate is the one that is known about when seemingly nothing about the process is getting out. Which candidate has links to media and a very active social media account. Its hard to stop rumours when stuff like that is coming out from a candidate for the senior role. Simply not good enough.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 18/07/2022 10:44:15    2432646

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Are we any closer to an appointment? Maybe all the silence around the meath manager role is due to nobody outside of Bernard Flynn being interested? There is still plenty of time as I expect one or two more other managers of counties to step down from their positions soon.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 18/07/2022 10:49:43    2432648

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "To be honest I don'recall any agreement being circulated at the time of his appointment and I can only remember this alleged agreement coming to light when Flynn walked away and it was a claim he was making with no evidence or without anyone backing this claim up so to say Andy reneged on an agreement I think is wrong when you have zero evidence of this.

As I said I had heard there was no agreement at all and I had also heard as another poster has said that it was an agreement that if there was a clash during the league that u20 championship would get priority . It didn't cover the senior inter county championship so if that is the case there was no agreement in place and it certainly was reneged on."
No idea if an agreement was in place

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1807 - 18/07/2022 10:52:56    2432649

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Can we leave what happened 12 months where it is.
Does anyone know who exactly is being interviewed.
On a separate note the meath ladies are doing the county proud. Their attitude, fitness, spirit is a joy to behold.

Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 418 - 18/07/2022 10:54:27    2432652

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Absolutely meath are always a big draw as there is huge potential in meath, allot can change in just a few years just look at galway, I'm surprised it's taken this long to appoint a new manager to be honest."
I'm sorry Royal.Legend, this is part of the problem within Meath. We're not a big draw anymore, people are living off past glories. People in Meath need to wake up and smell the coffee. Since 2001 Meath have won a solitary Leinster title and a division 3 league title in 2007 when it was 1A/1B and 2A/2B

We've not been close to competitive since Eamonn O'Brien was shafted in in 2010. We've potential at underage but that's it. And that potential could be very easily wasted when there's no stable and consistent senior players for those underage players to supplement.

I'm not sure if was you who said 19/20 year olds won all irelands in 96 and 99, they were backed by the minor and U21 winning teams of 90/93 and by the likes of Colm Coyle, Martin O'Connell, Tommy Dowd, Brendan reilly and Joh n McDermott who won or were involved in multiple teams who got to all ireland finals from 87 - 91.

You mention Galway, in the last 10 years they've beaten Mayo and Roscommon on multiple occasions in the championship, been to a couple of all ireland semi finals, been to a Division 1 league final. They've beaten a couple of Ulster teams to get to the All Ireland final this year. They've been a yoyo team no doubt but they've always been beating teams at a higher standard than Meath have.

As has consistently pointed out Meath's last occasion of beating a big team was Dublin in 2010. 12 years ago and counting and since then we've beaten the teams we should and lost to the teams we should or those of a similar standard at the time.

If we're such a huge draw, why did Malachy O'Rourke not want to interview. Because of 1) travel 2) lack of structures, 3) poor senior set up 4) bad county board and 5) he'll most likely be getting the Donegal job. Donegal is a more attractive job than Meath. That's where we're at, a long way behind.

Meath is a huge draw to the people of Meath, but it's an irrelevance to the rest of the country. Until many within the county realise where we're really at we're not going to move forward.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 18/07/2022 11:01:30    2432653

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Replying To Foley91:  "Can we leave what happened 12 months where it is.
Does anyone know who exactly is being interviewed.
On a separate note the meath ladies are doing the county proud. Their attitude, fitness, spirit is a joy to behold."
I agree and I am happy to do so but I just felt that the comment about Andy reneging on agreement needed to be addressed because none of us know if that was the case or not.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 18/07/2022 12:05:53    2432681

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Replying To bert09:  "No idea if an agreement was in place"
Exactly. Nobody does the people involved .

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 18/07/2022 12:09:46    2432683

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Replying To Foley91:  "Can we leave what happened 12 months where it is.
Does anyone know who exactly is being interviewed.
On a separate note the meath ladies are doing the county proud. Their attitude, fitness, spirit is a joy to behold."
Hey Foley91, I think people would be happy to leave it be but given the nature of what came out at the time, the he said she said nature of it, the county board being deafening in their silence about it, the fact that one party has left the role of senior manager and the other party is one of the main candidates for the role and its seems said candidate leaked the "agreement" to the media and that the same candidate then walked away from U20 team prior to the championship and is the only known candidate for the role, when nothing has been coming out from the county board means will leaks continue in the media if the candidate isn't getting their way if they are appointed. There's an established track record now in place of leaks generating from one source, who might be appointed senior manager and given some of the embarrassments with the county board over the least 12 years and what has and hasn't happened is this something we can really ignore?

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 18/07/2022 12:49:15    2432694

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Replying To brian:  "Hey Foley91, I think people would be happy to leave it be but given the nature of what came out at the time, the he said she said nature of it, the county board being deafening in their silence about it, the fact that one party has left the role of senior manager and the other party is one of the main candidates for the role and its seems said candidate leaked the "agreement" to the media and that the same candidate then walked away from U20 team prior to the championship and is the only known candidate for the role, when nothing has been coming out from the county board means will leaks continue in the media if the candidate isn't getting their way if they are appointed. There's an established track record now in place of leaks generating from one source, who might be appointed senior manager and given some of the embarrassments with the county board over the least 12 years and what has and hasn't happened is this something we can really ignore?"
. I have no more knowledge of what happened than the next man, however, if he was making things up why did the County Chairman not call him out last year and protect the good name of previous manager, CB and himself. The correspondence between parties should clear up the matter quite quickly. Would BF be in the running for senior post if it could be proven that he missled all concerned on the u20 saga, would find that very hard to belive.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 18/07/2022 14:08:47    2432722

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Replying To seadog54:  ". I have no more knowledge of what happened than the next man, however, if he was making things up why did the County Chairman not call him out last year and protect the good name of previous manager, CB and himself. The correspondence between parties should clear up the matter quite quickly. Would BF be in the running for senior post if it could be proven that he missled all concerned on the u20 saga, would find that very hard to belive."
The u20 debacle is the reason he announced himself 6 weeks ago as in but has not been appointed, CB would only do so if there was literally no alternative to go in with him or get it outright. In fairness to the CB, I think at the time the best and right course was to say nothing as would have been a back and forth otherwise. I would echo Brian's comments on things being leaked out thru the media, I have been silent on it as I'll support the next man regardless but it's not something I am overly comfortable with and the county/players don't need all of this attention.

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 18/07/2022 15:43:35    2432760

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Replying To Thejoeshow:  "The u20 debacle is the reason he announced himself 6 weeks ago as in but has not been appointed, CB would only do so if there was literally no alternative to go in with him or get it outright. In fairness to the CB, I think at the time the best and right course was to say nothing as would have been a back and forth otherwise. I would echo Brian's comments on things being leaked out thru the media, I have been silent on it as I'll support the next man regardless but it's not something I am overly comfortable with and the county/players don't need all of this attention."
Yep agree with you Joe, I'll support whomever is there, no matter my thoughts. Its the green jersey and the crest on it I support not the individuals in it. Doesn't mean i won't raise concern's if i see red flags in the process and in the last 18 months or so there's been a lot of red flags centred around one source. If as you say this is a concern for the county board and this is why they've gone out for other candidates then i applaud them for their stance.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 18/07/2022 16:13:50    2432772

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Replying To Thejoeshow:  "The u20 debacle is the reason he announced himself 6 weeks ago as in but has not been appointed, CB would only do so if there was literally no alternative to go in with him or get it outright. In fairness to the CB, I think at the time the best and right course was to say nothing as would have been a back and forth otherwise. I would echo Brian's comments on things being leaked out thru the media, I have been silent on it as I'll support the next man regardless but it's not something I am overly comfortable with and the county/players don't need all of this attention."
I feel if CB are in possesion to e mails or letters that prove BF was not telling the truth, then their only option was to rule him out of any involvement with Meath football. No need for back and forth they would have the proof to back up such a stance. Man is entitled to his good name until we get the facts. Just dont see Chairman willing to work with manager who questioned him in a fairly public manner, unless he has a point.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 18/07/2022 17:34:19    2432797

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Replying To brian:  "I'm sorry Royal.Legend, this is part of the problem within Meath. We're not a big draw anymore, people are living off past glories. People in Meath need to wake up and smell the coffee. Since 2001 Meath have won a solitary Leinster title and a division 3 league title in 2007 when it was 1A/1B and 2A/2B

We've not been close to competitive since Eamonn O'Brien was shafted in in 2010. We've potential at underage but that's it. And that potential could be very easily wasted when there's no stable and consistent senior players for those underage players to supplement.

I'm not sure if was you who said 19/20 year olds won all irelands in 96 and 99, they were backed by the minor and U21 winning teams of 90/93 and by the likes of Colm Coyle, Martin O'Connell, Tommy Dowd, Brendan reilly and Joh n McDermott who won or were involved in multiple teams who got to all ireland finals from 87 - 91.

You mention Galway, in the last 10 years they've beaten Mayo and Roscommon on multiple occasions in the championship, been to a couple of all ireland semi finals, been to a Division 1 league final. They've beaten a couple of Ulster teams to get to the All Ireland final this year. They've been a yoyo team no doubt but they've always been beating teams at a higher standard than Meath have.

As has consistently pointed out Meath's last occasion of beating a big team was Dublin in 2010. 12 years ago and counting and since then we've beaten the teams we should and lost to the teams we should or those of a similar standard at the time.

If we're such a huge draw, why did Malachy O'Rourke not want to interview. Because of 1) travel 2) lack of structures, 3) poor senior set up 4) bad county board and 5) he'll most likely be getting the Donegal job. Donegal is a more attractive job than Meath. That's where we're at, a long way behind.

Meath is a huge draw to the people of Meath, but it's an irrelevance to the rest of the country. Until many within the county realise where we're really at we're not going to move forward."
How are things brian, the reason I believe a county like meath have massive potential is based on massive football tradition, population, money and close proximity to dublin, just look at the club playing numbers at both adults and juvenile level theres allot of clubs now In meath bursting at the seams with players and they are beginning to dominate the adult and juvenile club championships, it's only a matter of time before that translates to county level and its already beginning to happen with meath minor teams as you have correctly said yourself, meath minors and meath ladies are all Ireland champions 2021 with the ladies going for two in a row so the county is doing something right, things can change quickly for the men's teams two just as it did for the ladies, malachey o Rourke I think I heard before works in donegal so it's a easy choice for him to pick donegal, outside managers rarely work anyway and they are always costly, 96 came out of nowhere and boylan was under a bit of pressure going into that year, and I was simply responding to a previous post which said if your relying on one or two 20 year olds your going nowhere, there was more then one or two on that team and without them 96 would never of happened, who knows how long it will take the meath mens senior team to win there next all Ireland but it will definitely happen sooner then most here think.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 681 - 18/07/2022 20:06:02    2432817

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Replying To brian:  "Yep agree with you Joe, I'll support whomever is there, no matter my thoughts. Its the green jersey and the crest on it I support not the individuals in it. Doesn't mean i won't raise concern's if i see red flags in the process and in the last 18 months or so there's been a lot of red flags centred around one source. If as you say this is a concern for the county board and this is why they've gone out for other candidates then i applaud them for their stance."
They are right to have concerns but I think a lot of better candidates don't want to go near the co board. Nothing to do with the abuse to be clear but the board and the shenanigans. They definitely don't want to give it to Bernie but just a gut feeling is he will be the only one left willing

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 18/07/2022 21:03:06    2432824

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Replying To seadog54:  "I feel if CB are in possesion to e mails or letters that prove BF was not telling the truth, then their only option was to rule him out of any involvement with Meath football. No need for back and forth they would have the proof to back up such a stance. Man is entitled to his good name until we get the facts. Just dont see Chairman willing to work with manager who questioned him in a fairly public manner, unless he has a point."
Andy Mac is entitled to his good name also yet it seems acceptable for people to claim he reneged on an agreement despite none of them having a shred of evidence to back it up.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 19/07/2022 10:20:57    2432859

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Andy Mac is entitled to his good name also yet it seems acceptable for people to claim he reneged on an agreement despite none of them having a shred of evidence to back it up."
What evidence would there be, have we proof he didn't??

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1489 - 19/07/2022 10:53:08    2432872

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