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Replying To Borderroyal: "I see tyrone bringing in few 20s players would it be beneficial to us or just stick with what we have.id imagine shane gone bavk to mali.place there for the taken.he obviously has no faith in any other defenders after the last day.dont ghink theres any standout backs sith 20s but maybe few big units there that could bolster the squad.flynn gone morris in.scully has to be used now.but look its just in my opinion a full joke at this stage.we are all over the shop with very poor game plans if any that is.lets hope players just go for it now hes gone anyway so do it for themselves." If scully is back from injury then he plays. No doubt. I'll give one thing to mcentee he won't risk lads that aren't at least 80% fit. Is that a good or a bad thing ? Sometimes I think a lad could do 35 mins, but looking back we have destroyed some players by playing them when they really weren't able to.
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Replying To Borderroyal: "I see tyrone bringing in few 20s players would it be beneficial to us or just stick with what we have.id imagine shane gone bavk to mali.place there for the taken.he obviously has no faith in any other defenders after the last day.dont ghink theres any standout backs sith 20s but maybe few big units there that could bolster the squad.flynn gone morris in.scully has to be used now.but look its just in my opinion a full joke at this stage.we are all over the shop with very poor game plans if any that is.lets hope players just go for it now hes gone anyway so do it for themselves." What 20s players , unfortunately are under 20s panel v dublin had very few 20s , nevermind bringing them up to senior. Majority of the panel have 1 or 2 years left and aren't even close to being ready to throw in to any senior set up.
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Replying To southmeathgael: "What 20s players , unfortunately are under 20s panel v dublin had very few 20s , nevermind bringing them up to senior. Majority of the panel have 1 or 2 years left and aren't even close to being ready to throw in to any senior set up." Well said Southmeathgael. Of the lads who are of the 20+ age now, who would come in to the team now and do better job. I know some will argue and say they couldn't do worse than what was on show V Dublin (and they might have a point) but whats the point of rushing lads through when they're not able for it. Look at Shane Walsh, rushed through and did ok in his first few games as guy just finished his leaving cert but in the years since then is he anything better than what he was in 2019. I nkow he's only 21 now but too much is/ was expected of him straight away.
That's why I'd leave those lads where they are, let them play at their level. There's not a David Clifford or a Seanie Shea amongst them so allow them to develop at their own pace, play at age grade and there's plenty of them with 2 years at U20 level left and when they're 21 see how they are looking, Could they be brought in and do a job.
But to allow that to happen we need the group of Hogan, Hickey, Harkin, Costello, Scully, Morris, Walsh to take a huge jump forward next year under new management. I'm like a broken record but it's really up to those lads to grab this thing by the throat and drag it forward.
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I think we can maybe say after yesterday that Dublin would do what they did to us to majority of teams . So we must draw a line in the sand.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/05/2022 10:16:59
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Replying To royaldunne: "I think we can maybe say after yesterday that Dublin would do what they did to us to majority of teams . So we must draw a line in the sand." When do we draw a line on being beaten by them.doin same thing year in year out.is change coming??
Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 30/05/2022 12:01:23
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Replying To Borderroyal: "When do we draw a line on being beaten by them.doin same thing year in year out.is change coming??" No. You heard one of the men been named as possible next manager saying it won't change anytime soon. So if he takes over Meath will he change that ? The fact is apart from one or two players no Meath player in senior or u20 would get on the Dublin panel. So what can we do ?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/05/2022 13:47:46
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Replying To royaldunne: "No. You heard one of the men been named as possible next manager saying it won't change anytime soon. So if he takes over Meath will he change that ? The fact is apart from one or two players no Meath player in senior or u20 would get on the Dublin panel. So what can we do ?" RD i'm not trying to have a go at you when i ask the below.
You say only one or two of our players would get on the Dublin panel (and i agree with that) but you told us in the run into the Dublin match the game was 50:50, Dublin were coming back to the pack, we were better than we are, we'd run them close cos we are Meath etc etc. Was that all hyperbole and hype trying to build us or yourself up in the run into the game? Plenty of us on here were rightly very worried in the run and feared the result that would come our way and which did materialise. Some of us and I'll say myself in particular said we're not top 16 and we're laughed at for saying the league masked our true position.
From the sounds of things you're pretty much in the camp with the rest of us now and can see the huge level of work that needs to be done to get us back to even close to be good enough to compete or maybe I'm wrong? I think you're now realising that we are Meath is just not true and hasn't been for years.
Look at Derry yesterday, style of play, patterns and people playing to a system. They've come from Division 4, built eaach year under Rory Gallagher and beaten 3 first division teams to win their first Ulster in 24 years. Meath have none of that organisation and unless that is fixed we'll be going nowhere.
I assume the "one of the men been named as possible next manager saying it won't change anytime soon" is Robbie Brennan, and if that's the case then he's not right for the job and shouldn't even be in the running or brought for consideration.
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 30/05/2022 14:26:13
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Is this game against Clare all ticket?
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Replying To stillaroyal: "Is this game against Clare all ticket?" Yep, online or Centra & Super Valu
Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 30/05/2022 15:53:18
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Folks,
Just regarding the time for the game Saturday IS the game at 5 or 6?
I was sure it was a 5, been telling anyone who'd asked all week it was & anywhere I'd read it also said 5, (Article from HS main page below)
Saturday 4 June
All-Ireland SFC round 1
Clare v Meath, Cusack Park, 5pm - GAAGO
Mayo v Monaghan, Castlebar, 4pm - Sky
Cork v Louth, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, 2pm - GAAGO
Sunday 5 June
All-Ireland SFC round 1
Armagh v Tyrone, Athletic Grounds, 1.30pm - RTE
But I've downloaded my tickets there now & it says 6pm on the tickets....
I've looked up a couple of sites (Meath GAA, GAA, GAAGO, RTE, HS....) and some have 5 & others have 6....
Anyone know for certain which it is?
Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 30/05/2022 17:00:48
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I'm not sure Jinxie, but i plan to be there for a 5pm throw in and sure if it's not right we'll be there in plenty of time ;)
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 30/05/2022 17:16:26
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Replying To brian: "I'm not sure Jinxie, but i plan to be there for a 5pm throw in and sure if it's not right we'll be there in plenty of time ;)" Ha ha your right. Was plan same anyway but can be long on Kids if they're there that long before...
Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 30/05/2022 17:26:28
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Replying To brian: "RD i'm not trying to have a go at you when i ask the below.
You say only one or two of our players would get on the Dublin panel (and i agree with that) but you told us in the run into the Dublin match the game was 50:50, Dublin were coming back to the pack, we were better than we are, we'd run them close cos we are Meath etc etc. Was that all hyperbole and hype trying to build us or yourself up in the run into the game? Plenty of us on here were rightly very worried in the run and feared the result that would come our way and which did materialise. Some of us and I'll say myself in particular said we're not top 16 and we're laughed at for saying the league masked our true position.
From the sounds of things you're pretty much in the camp with the rest of us now and can see the huge level of work that needs to be done to get us back to even close to be good enough to compete or maybe I'm wrong? I think you're now realising that we are Meath is just not true and hasn't been for years.
Look at Derry yesterday, style of play, patterns and people playing to a system. They've come from Division 4, built eaach year under Rory Gallagher and beaten 3 first division teams to win their first Ulster in 24 years. Meath have none of that organisation and unless that is fixed we'll be going nowhere.
I assume the "one of the men been named as possible next manager saying it won't change anytime soon" is Robbie Brennan, and if that's the case then he's not right for the job and shouldn't even be in the running or brought for consideration." I thought so. I really thought they were coming back to pack, the league form was horrendous and I honestly believed we would have beat them in the league. However whatever happened in Portugal coupled with people expressing same opinion on
them , they got rattled , revved up, whatever you want to call it, read that a few long standing players said this Leinster meant more to them then all the rest put together, they will win all ire in a canter, I'll tell you what I have done , after Meath match I put a fair few euro on them to win it out. They are as good as ever they were, in some instances better. So yeah I was wrong , as I think everyone else was writing them off.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/05/2022 19:21:52
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Replying To Jinxie: "Folks,
Just regarding the time for the game Saturday IS the game at 5 or 6?
I was sure it was a 5, been telling anyone who'd asked all week it was & anywhere I'd read it also said 5, (Article from HS main page below)
Saturday 4 June
All-Ireland SFC round 1
Clare v Meath, Cusack Park, 5pm - GAAGO
Mayo v Monaghan, Castlebar, 4pm - Sky
Cork v Louth, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, 2pm - GAAGO
Sunday 5 June
All-Ireland SFC round 1
Armagh v Tyrone, Athletic Grounds, 1.30pm - RTE
But I've downloaded my tickets there now & it says 6pm on the tickets....
I've looked up a couple of sites (Meath GAA, GAA, GAAGO, RTE, HS....) and some have 5 & others have 6....
Anyone know for certain which it is?" Time change. From 5 to 6. Which for someone like myself isn't ideal driving down and back with kids. Won't be back till we'll gone 11.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/05/2022 19:23:41
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Replying To Jinxie: "Folks,
Just regarding the time for the game Saturday IS the game at 5 or 6?
I was sure it was a 5, been telling anyone who'd asked all week it was & anywhere I'd read it also said 5, (Article from HS main page below)
Saturday 4 June
All-Ireland SFC round 1
Clare v Meath, Cusack Park, 5pm - GAAGO
Mayo v Monaghan, Castlebar, 4pm - Sky
Cork v Louth, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, 2pm - GAAGO
Sunday 5 June
All-Ireland SFC round 1
Armagh v Tyrone, Athletic Grounds, 1.30pm - RTE
But I've downloaded my tickets there now & it says 6pm on the tickets....
I've looked up a couple of sites (Meath GAA, GAA, GAAGO, RTE, HS....) and some have 5 & others have 6....
Anyone know for certain which it is?" Well Jinxie,GAA website says 6 pm so I'd go with that,surely they would have it right.
Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 294 - 30/05/2022 19:24:59
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Replying To brian: "RD i'm not trying to have a go at you when i ask the below.
You say only one or two of our players would get on the Dublin panel (and i agree with that) but you told us in the run into the Dublin match the game was 50:50, Dublin were coming back to the pack, we were better than we are, we'd run them close cos we are Meath etc etc. Was that all hyperbole and hype trying to build us or yourself up in the run into the game? Plenty of us on here were rightly very worried in the run and feared the result that would come our way and which did materialise. Some of us and I'll say myself in particular said we're not top 16 and we're laughed at for saying the league masked our true position.
From the sounds of things you're pretty much in the camp with the rest of us now and can see the huge level of work that needs to be done to get us back to even close to be good enough to compete or maybe I'm wrong? I think you're now realising that we are Meath is just not true and hasn't been for years.
Look at Derry yesterday, style of play, patterns and people playing to a system. They've come from Division 4, built eaach year under Rory Gallagher and beaten 3 first division teams to win their first Ulster in 24 years. Meath have none of that organisation and unless that is fixed we'll be going nowhere.
I assume the "one of the men been named as possible next manager saying it won't change anytime soon" is Robbie Brennan, and if that's the case then he's not right for the job and shouldn't even be in the running or brought for consideration." Also on the Derry thing Meath had them beat easily in a dead rubber for us a must win for them not too long ago only for a calamity gk error.
Also I would actually love to see the posts on here if Meath played basketball like Derry and Donegal did yesterday. Now that would be funny.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/05/2022 19:26:49
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Replying To royaldunne: " Replying To brian: "RD i'm not trying to have a go at you when i ask the below.
You say only one or two of our players would get on the Dublin panel (and i agree with that) but you told us in the run into the Dublin match the game was 50:50, Dublin were coming back to the pack, we were better than we are, we'd run them close cos we are Meath etc etc. Was that all hyperbole and hype trying to build us or yourself up in the run into the game? Plenty of us on here were rightly very worried in the run and feared the result that would come our way and which did materialise. Some of us and I'll say myself in particular said we're not top 16 and we're laughed at for saying the league masked our true position.
From the sounds of things you're pretty much in the camp with the rest of us now and can see the huge level of work that needs to be done to get us back to even close to be good enough to compete or maybe I'm wrong? I think you're now realising that we are Meath is just not true and hasn't been for years.
Look at Derry yesterday, style of play, patterns and people playing to a system. They've come from Division 4, built eaach year under Rory Gallagher and beaten 3 first division teams to win their first Ulster in 24 years. Meath have none of that organisation and unless that is fixed we'll be going nowhere.
I assume the "one of the men been named as possible next manager saying it won't change anytime soon" is Robbie Brennan, and if that's the case then he's not right for the job and shouldn't even be in the running or brought for consideration." Also on the Derry thing Meath had them beat easily in a dead rubber for us a must win for them not too long ago only for a calamity gk error. Also I would actually love to see the posts on here if Meath played basketball like Derry and Donegal did yesterday. Now that would be funny."
Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 31/05/2022 12:10:43
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Replying To Borderroyal: " Replying To royaldunne: "[quote=brian: "RD i'm not trying to have a go at you when i ask the below.
You say only one or two of our players would get on the Dublin panel (and i agree with that) but you told us in the run into the Dublin match the game was 50:50, Dublin were coming back to the pack, we were better than we are, we'd run them close cos we are Meath etc etc. Was that all hyperbole and hype trying to build us or yourself up in the run into the game? Plenty of us on here were rightly very worried in the run and feared the result that would come our way and which did materialise. Some of us and I'll say myself in particular said we're not top 16 and we're laughed at for saying the league masked our true position.
From the sounds of things you're pretty much in the camp with the rest of us now and can see the huge level of work that needs to be done to get us back to even close to be good enough to compete or maybe I'm wrong? I think you're now realising that we are Meath is just not true and hasn't been for years.
Look at Derry yesterday, style of play, patterns and people playing to a system. They've come from Division 4, built eaach year under Rory Gallagher and beaten 3 first division teams to win their first Ulster in 24 years. Meath have none of that organisation and unless that is fixed we'll be going nowhere.
I assume the "one of the men been named as possible next manager saying it won't change anytime soon" is Robbie Brennan, and if that's the case then he's not right for the job and shouldn't even be in the running or brought for consideration." Also on the Derry thing Meath had them beat easily in a dead rubber for us a must win for them not too long ago only for a calamity gk error. Also I would actually love to see the posts on here if Meath played basketball like Derry and Donegal did yesterday. Now that would be funny."
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 31/05/2022 13:11:27
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Replying To Borderroyal: " Replying To royaldunne: "[quote=brian: "RD i'm not trying to have a go at you when i ask the below.
You say only one or two of our players would get on the Dublin panel (and i agree with that) but you told us in the run into the Dublin match the game was 50:50, Dublin were coming back to the pack, we were better than we are, we'd run them close cos we are Meath etc etc. Was that all hyperbole and hype trying to build us or yourself up in the run into the game? Plenty of us on here were rightly very worried in the run and feared the result that would come our way and which did materialise. Some of us and I'll say myself in particular said we're not top 16 and we're laughed at for saying the league masked our true position.
From the sounds of things you're pretty much in the camp with the rest of us now and can see the huge level of work that needs to be done to get us back to even close to be good enough to compete or maybe I'm wrong? I think you're now realising that we are Meath is just not true and hasn't been for years.
Look at Derry yesterday, style of play, patterns and people playing to a system. They've come from Division 4, built eaach year under Rory Gallagher and beaten 3 first division teams to win their first Ulster in 24 years. Meath have none of that organisation and unless that is fixed we'll be going nowhere.
I assume the "one of the men been named as possible next manager saying it won't change anytime soon" is Robbie Brennan, and if that's the case then he's not right for the job and shouldn't even be in the running or brought for consideration." Also on the Derry thing Meath had them beat easily in a dead rubber for us a must win for them not too long ago only for a calamity gk error. Also I would actually love to see the posts on here if Meath played basketball like Derry and Donegal did yesterday. Now that would be funny."
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/05/2022 13:30:51
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In fairness Andy is loved too by vast majority of the players. So what can we do ?
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RD I'm sorry but i just don't buy this and think again you're trying to spin things. The players loved MOD until he was no longer there. The players love Andy until he's no longer there. I know you'll say you know certain players who didn't love MOD but I'll counter that and say there's plenty that don't love Andy and once the campaign is over he's out of road the truth will then come out about whether or not the players "loved" him or not.
I'm sure there's plenty of players that do "love" him, but sure why wouldn't they when there's zero accountantability, zero want to change and zero pressure put on the players to improve and be any better, fitter, stronger, faster, smarter than they were previously. Collect your gear bags there lads and nothing to see here ;) There was a collective throwing in of the towel v Dublin and I'll bet 16-17 of the same team of players used will be out again on Saturday. Why would things change when they haven't for the last 3 seasons.
What we can do is bring in a more professional set up at all levels of admin and team management. Set clearly defined goals and markers which are reviewed in a timely fashion after the season has ended. Adjust and or act upon failure to meet objectives. Provide more support where needed by bringing in the best in class staff who can help improve standards. Don't take 5 months to make a decision and put it to a vote with no alternative in place to consider. Develop and improve the standard of the senior team which can be clearly measured and demonstrated on the pitch.
Andy has clearly failed to achieve his goals for 2021 and 2022 and has not developed this team in that time frame at all. No player now is any better than they were in 2020 with many having regressed alarmingly, and that's a failure of management to improve standards, to provide better coaching and to hold players accountable. I know some will say we don't have the players and that's a fair point but when you see no player who's improved in 2 years then questions need to be asked of management and those who are charged with putting them in the positions they are.
Again I'll reference Derry, 2 promotions in 3-4 years, Ulster champions beating 3 division one teams along the way to do it in the last 4-6 weeks. Regardless of how they play and how much you might dislike it, you can't argue with success. Our last victory over a division one side was 12 years ago under Eamonn O'Brien. 12 years and counting
Compare ourselves to Derry, they've shown steady progress, a style that works for them, who work like absolute odgs from 1-15, have competent management, a manager who's tactically clued in and minimises risk by playing a basic and fundamental game which all his players buy into. Counter that with a disjointed team, who've shown rapid decline who are lazy and don't work for each other and a manager who's not tactically aware and fails to fix problems which are evident for several years and allows teams to target and win by exploiting all of those weaknesses. Gallagher enables his players and encourages and cajoles and gets the best out of his players. Does Andy do any of that.
We need a manager to come in, who can do all what a Rory Gallagher, a Jim Gavin, a Jim McGuinness can do and put some structure, discipline and a style of play around the team. Do you think any of those lads gave a tuppence for being loved by their players, they're all ruthless when it's need, you don't perform you're out.
We still have lads six years into this managers term, who were never inter county standard still starting for this manager. And they're almost undroppable. That's not good enough and something needs to be done about it.
"In fairness Andy is loved too by vast majority of the players. So what can we do ?"
The short answer RD is move on from Andy, because even if he is loved he's not good enough.
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 31/05/2022 16:53:00
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