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Replying To Richieq: "I wouldn't have had much respect for Cooper to begin with, he's some man to be calling for a card for other players." Did he actually call for card???.just genuknely cant remeber it.?
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Jack Flynn had a clip at Cooper no doubt but to be fair to Cooper he didn't go down. Also not sure whether he looked for a card but Cooper is always good measure for a clip as he'd be the first to take advantage if the boot was on the other foot.
The other card for Morris was embarrassing on two fronts. Firstly for the Dublin player to go down like he was shot but secondly and more embarrassing in my opinion was the petulant girly push by Morris that he went out of his way to do in front of Andy. It's not the same as the perfunctory 'handbags' that we see at all matches these days as it seemed designed to curry favour with the manager which apparently it did.
Both were red cards but if I had to take one it'd be Flynn's all day.
ABK67 (Meath) - Posts: 62 - 23/05/2022 09:21:25
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Replying To ABK67: "Jack Flynn had a clip at Cooper no doubt but to be fair to Cooper he didn't go down. Also not sure whether he looked for a card but Cooper is always good measure for a clip as he'd be the first to take advantage if the boot was on the other foot.
The other card for Morris was embarrassing on two fronts. Firstly for the Dublin player to go down like he was shot but secondly and more embarrassing in my opinion was the petulant girly push by Morris that he went out of his way to do in front of Andy. It's not the same as the perfunctory 'handbags' that we see at all matches these days as it seemed designed to curry favour with the manager which apparently it did.
Both were red cards but if I had to take one it'd be Flynn's all day." Utter nonsense post. And worse still thinking both were red cards. Read the rule book. Ffs. Some people with agendas are really getting on my **** at this stage.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/05/2022 13:34:48
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Replying To royaldunne: "Utter nonsense post. And worse still thinking both were red cards. Read the rule book. Ffs. Some people with agendas are really getting on my **** at this stage." RD seriously
Read the rule book yourself
Heres a link
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/ry3kyypphlwrgfsxvwgg.pdf
See
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Jack Flynn
Page 56 and 57
Category IV Infractions
5.25 To strike or attempt to strike with arm, elbow, hand
or knee either with force or causing injury.
5.26 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with the
head.
5.27 To strike an opponent with a hurley, either with
force or causing injury..
5.28 To attempt to strike an opponent with a hurley,with
force.
5.29 To kick an opponent either with force or causing
injury.
5.30 To attempt to kick an opponent with force.
5.31 To stamp on an opponent.
5.32 To inflict an injury recklessly on an opponent by
means other than those stated above.
5.33 To assault an opposing Team Official.
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5.34 To act by deed, word or gesture of a racist,
sectarian or anti-inclusion / diversity nature
against an opponent or match official.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off.
(ii) Free puck from where foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
Flynn struck with the point of his elbow, it's a red card
Jordan Morris
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Category I Infractions
Definition of a Category I Infraction - Being ordered off
on foot of a second Cautionable Infraction.
Category I - Related Infractions
5.1 To pull down an opponent.
5.2 To trip an opponent with hand(s), arm, leg, foot, or
hurley.
5.3 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent.
5.4 To engage in any form of rough play.
5.5 To make "a pull" with the hurley from behind and
around the body of an opponent that is not consistent with an attempt to play the ball.
5.6 To use the hurley in a careless manner.
5.7 To throw the hurley in a manner which constitutes
a danger to another player(s).
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) Free puck from where foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
5.8 To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a
foul or injury.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) If play has been stopped for a foul, a
free puck from where play was stopped,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
Page 54 and 55
5.12 (a) To push an opponent with the hand(s) or
hurley.
(b) To hold an opponent's hurley or to pull it from
his hands.
5.13 (a) To charge (in a manner otherwise permissible
on an opponent) the Goalkeeper in his small
rectangle.
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(b) For a player in possession of the ball to charge
an opponent.
5.14 To use the hurley to obstruct an opponent.
5.15 To strike an opponent's hurley unless both players
are in the act of playing the ball.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Free puck from where foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for persistently
committing such fouls. Order off for
further repetition or for other Cautionable
Foul.
Category II Infractions
Note: Category II Infractions under Rule 7.2(b) Part 1
relate to Football Only.
Jordan Morris 2 actions in the same sequence shoving and gesturing at an opponent.
Order off for further repetition or for other Cautionable Foul
So two straight reds are warranted.
Maybe before saying the following "Utter nonsense post. And worse still thinking both were red cards. Read the rule book. Ffs. Some people with agendas are really getting on my **** at this stage" have a read of the oul rule book yourself.
I have a lot of time for you as a poster RD but sometimes in your need to have a go and rip into someone you leave yourself wide open with comments which people very easily pick you up on.
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 23/05/2022 14:26:12
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Replying To brian: "RD seriously
Read the rule book yourself
Heres a link
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/ry3kyypphlwrgfsxvwgg.pdf
See
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Jack Flynn
Page 56 and 57
Category IV Infractions
5.25 To strike or attempt to strike with arm, elbow, hand
or knee either with force or causing injury.
5.26 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with the
head.
5.27 To strike an opponent with a hurley, either with
force or causing injury..
5.28 To attempt to strike an opponent with a hurley,with
force.
5.29 To kick an opponent either with force or causing
injury.
5.30 To attempt to kick an opponent with force.
5.31 To stamp on an opponent.
5.32 To inflict an injury recklessly on an opponent by
means other than those stated above.
5.33 To assault an opposing Team Official.
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5.34 To act by deed, word or gesture of a racist,
sectarian or anti-inclusion / diversity nature
against an opponent or match official.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off.
(ii) Free puck from where foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
Flynn struck with the point of his elbow, it's a red card
Jordan Morris
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Category I Infractions
Definition of a Category I Infraction - Being ordered off
on foot of a second Cautionable Infraction.
Category I - Related Infractions
5.1 To pull down an opponent.
5.2 To trip an opponent with hand(s), arm, leg, foot, or
hurley.
5.3 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent.
5.4 To engage in any form of rough play.
5.5 To make "a pull" with the hurley from behind and
around the body of an opponent that is not consistent with an attempt to play the ball.
5.6 To use the hurley in a careless manner.
5.7 To throw the hurley in a manner which constitutes
a danger to another player(s).
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) Free puck from where foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
5.8 To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a
foul or injury.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) If play has been stopped for a foul, a
free puck from where play was stopped,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
Page 54 and 55
5.12 (a) To push an opponent with the hand(s) or
hurley.
(b) To hold an opponent's hurley or to pull it from
his hands.
5.13 (a) To charge (in a manner otherwise permissible
on an opponent) the Goalkeeper in his small
rectangle.
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(b) For a player in possession of the ball to charge
an opponent.
5.14 To use the hurley to obstruct an opponent.
5.15 To strike an opponent's hurley unless both players
are in the act of playing the ball.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Free puck from where foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for persistently
committing such fouls. Order off for
further repetition or for other Cautionable
Foul.
Category II Infractions
Note: Category II Infractions under Rule 7.2(b) Part 1
relate to Football Only.
Jordan Morris 2 actions in the same sequence shoving and gesturing at an opponent.
Order off for further repetition or for other Cautionable Foul
So two straight reds are warranted.
Maybe before saying the following "Utter nonsense post. And worse still thinking both were red cards. Read the rule book. Ffs. Some people with agendas are really getting on my **** at this stage" have a read of the oul rule book yourself.
I have a lot of time for you as a poster RD but sometimes in your need to have a go and rip into someone you leave yourself wide open with comments which people very easily pick you up on." Ahh give over Brian. Happens every game and no one gets a red. You know that I know that. Morris in particular was at best a tick. The rule book is open to interpretation we all know this. And yes it was purely agenda based post. To do it right in front of Andy. If you don't see a problem with that line then I give up. Anyway looks like both will be rescinded by cccc which imo proves neither was a red.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/05/2022 07:54:09
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Have the cards actually been challenged by Co Board?
Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 24/05/2022 10:59:24
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Replying To brian: "RD seriously
Read the rule book yourself
Heres a link
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/ry3kyypphlwrgfsxvwgg.pdf
See
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Jack Flynn
Page 56 and 57
Category IV Infractions
5.25 To strike or attempt to strike with arm, elbow, hand
or knee either with force or causing injury.
5.26 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with the
head.
5.27 To strike an opponent with a hurley, either with
force or causing injury..
5.28 To attempt to strike an opponent with a hurley,with
force.
5.29 To kick an opponent either with force or causing
injury.
5.30 To attempt to kick an opponent with force.
5.31 To stamp on an opponent.
5.32 To inflict an injury recklessly on an opponent by
means other than those stated above.
5.33 To assault an opposing Team Official.
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5.34 To act by deed, word or gesture of a racist,
sectarian or anti-inclusion / diversity nature
against an opponent or match official.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off.
(ii) Free puck from where foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
Flynn struck with the point of his elbow, it's a red card
Jordan Morris
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Category I Infractions
Definition of a Category I Infraction - Being ordered off
on foot of a second Cautionable Infraction.
Category I - Related Infractions
5.1 To pull down an opponent.
5.2 To trip an opponent with hand(s), arm, leg, foot, or
hurley.
5.3 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent.
5.4 To engage in any form of rough play.
5.5 To make "a pull" with the hurley from behind and
around the body of an opponent that is not consistent with an attempt to play the ball.
5.6 To use the hurley in a careless manner.
5.7 To throw the hurley in a manner which constitutes
a danger to another player(s).
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) Free puck from where foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
5.8 To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a
foul or injury.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) If play has been stopped for a foul, a
free puck from where play was stopped,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
Page 54 and 55
5.12 (a) To push an opponent with the hand(s) or
hurley.
(b) To hold an opponent's hurley or to pull it from
his hands.
5.13 (a) To charge (in a manner otherwise permissible
on an opponent) the Goalkeeper in his small
rectangle.
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(b) For a player in possession of the ball to charge
an opponent.
5.14 To use the hurley to obstruct an opponent.
5.15 To strike an opponent's hurley unless both players
are in the act of playing the ball.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Free puck from where foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for persistently
committing such fouls. Order off for
further repetition or for other Cautionable
Foul.
Category II Infractions
Note: Category II Infractions under Rule 7.2(b) Part 1
relate to Football Only.
Jordan Morris 2 actions in the same sequence shoving and gesturing at an opponent.
Order off for further repetition or for other Cautionable Foul
So two straight reds are warranted.
Maybe before saying the following "Utter nonsense post. And worse still thinking both were red cards. Read the rule book. Ffs. Some people with agendas are really getting on my **** at this stage" have a read of the oul rule book yourself.
I have a lot of time for you as a poster RD but sometimes in your need to have a go and rip into someone you leave yourself wide open with comments which people very easily pick you up on." With respect Brian, you've completely misinterpreted the rules above for Morris (notwithstanding that they're for hurling). "Order off for further repetition or for other Cautionable Foul" means that the referee gives a second yellow card followed by a red if warranted. The rules you've quoted above actually show that Morris committed a yellow card offence (he pushed an opponent) but was given a straight red card.
For Flynn's red card, I can understand why it was given but at the same time I find it amazing how a Meath player gets sent off for little to no contact on a Dublin player while a Dublin player leaves a Mayo player in hospital with a broken jaw and there's not even a free given against him at the time nor is there any retrospective action taken against the player.
Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1374 - 24/05/2022 11:03:18
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Brian you can't be seriously saying Morris deserved a red card? I don't know many times an incident like that happens during a game. You often see if a forward gets a score he will push his marker after the score to let him know. Do you want the game to turn into basketball?
Think we would do well do get Flynn off for what he did.
Sometimes I wonder do people on this forum actually want to see Meath do well or just constantly criticise.
Barney12345 (Meath) - Posts: 33 - 24/05/2022 13:36:09
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Replying To Ratoath Royal: " Replying To brian: "RD seriously
Read the rule book yourself
Heres a link
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/ry3kyypphlwrgfsxvwgg.pdf
See
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Jack Flynn
Page 56 and 57
Category IV Infractions
5.25 To strike or attempt to strike with arm, elbow, hand
or knee either with force or causing injury.
5.26 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with the
head.
5.27 To strike an opponent with a hurley, either with
force or causing injury..
5.28 To attempt to strike an opponent with a hurley,with
force.
5.29 To kick an opponent either with force or causing
injury.
5.30 To attempt to kick an opponent with force.
5.31 To stamp on an opponent.
5.32 To inflict an injury recklessly on an opponent by
means other than those stated above.
5.33 To assault an opposing Team Official.
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5.34 To act by deed, word or gesture of a racist,
sectarian or anti-inclusion / diversity nature
against an opponent or match official.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off.
(ii) Free puck from where foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
Flynn struck with the point of his elbow, it's a red card
Jordan Morris
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Category I Infractions
Definition of a Category I Infraction - Being ordered off
on foot of a second Cautionable Infraction.
Category I - Related Infractions
5.1 To pull down an opponent.
5.2 To trip an opponent with hand(s), arm, leg, foot, or
hurley.
5.3 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent.
5.4 To engage in any form of rough play.
5.5 To make "a pull" with the hurley from behind and
around the body of an opponent that is not consistent with an attempt to play the ball.
5.6 To use the hurley in a careless manner.
5.7 To throw the hurley in a manner which constitutes
a danger to another player(s).
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) Free puck from where foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
5.8 To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a
foul or injury.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) If play has been stopped for a foul, a
free puck from where play was stopped,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
Page 54 and 55
5.12 (a) To push an opponent with the hand(s) or
hurley.
(b) To hold an opponent's hurley or to pull it from
his hands.
5.13 (a) To charge (in a manner otherwise permissible
on an opponent) the Goalkeeper in his small
rectangle.
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(b) For a player in possession of the ball to charge
an opponent.
5.14 To use the hurley to obstruct an opponent.
5.15 To strike an opponent's hurley unless both players
are in the act of playing the ball.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Free puck from where foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for persistently
committing such fouls. Order off for
further repetition or for other Cautionable
Foul.
Category II Infractions
Note: Category II Infractions under Rule 7.2(b) Part 1
relate to Football Only.
Jordan Morris 2 actions in the same sequence shoving and gesturing at an opponent.
Order off for further repetition or for other Cautionable Foul
So two straight reds are warranted.
Maybe before saying the following "Utter nonsense post. And worse still thinking both were red cards. Read the rule book. Ffs. Some people with agendas are really getting on my **** at this stage" have a read of the oul rule book yourself.
I have a lot of time for you as a poster RD but sometimes in your need to have a go and rip into someone you leave yourself wide open with comments which people very easily pick you up on." With respect Brian, you've completely misinterpreted the rules above for Morris (notwithstanding that they're for hurling). " Order off for further repetition or for other Cautionable Foul" means that the referee gives a second yellow card followed by a red if warranted. The rules you've quoted above actually show that Morris committed a yellow card offence (he pushed an opponent) but was given a straight red card. For Flynn's red card, I can understand why it was given but at the same time I find it amazing how a Meath player gets sent off for little to no contact on a Dublin player while a Dublin player leaves a Mayo player in hospital with a broken jaw and there's not even a free given against him at the time nor is there any retrospective action taken against the player."
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/05/2022 14:16:26
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Think we would do well do get Flynn off for what he did.
Sometimes I wonder do people on this forum actually want to see Meath do well or just constantly criticise." I'm beginning to wonder myself. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES was Morris a red. By any rule. Now Flynn we are on shakier ground. But Morris absolutely not.
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royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/05/2022 14:19:11
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Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 24/05/2022 16:51:14
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Replying To royaldunne: "I'm beginning to wonder myself. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES was Morris a red. By any rule. Now Flynn we are on shakier ground. But Morris absolutely not." Hate to agree with you dunners but morris was never a red card !
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Lads I've seen a few posts coming back to me. Here's the chain of events, Jordan Morris ran 15-20 yards to push over Gannon right under the linesmans nose (it was premeditated and not a reaction), then gave him the wha wha crying rubbing his eyes gesture at Gannon.
Morris had two offences in the same incident 1) he shoved Gannon Page 54 and 55 5.12 (a) To push an opponent with the hand(s) or hurley and 2) he then proceeded to 5.3 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent.
Under the rules (ii) Caution offender for persistently committing such fouls. Order off for further repetition or for other Cautionable Foul.
That's why he got a straight red, two separate cards within the same instance as I'm reading the rule book. I'm not trying to say it was right or wrong, or whether incidents like this does or doesn't happen in other games, I'm simply looking at this incident and trying to understand and explain my understanding of why O'Mahoney issued the red card.
As to the rights and wrongs and interpretation of what happened, how the referee interpreted the rules and people saying it happens in the game all the time (which i'm not arguing the point of) and saying he pushed in front of his manager to curry favour, and others whining about the people who say that I'm not interested in it at all.
Many are trying to say it happens all the time in games and yes it does absolutely and yes nothing is done for the vast majority of those incidents. But the simplest thing about this is, Jordan Morris didn't need to do what he did, he was caught clearly doing it and in my opinion has to suffer the consequences of his own act of stupidity.
I'm not going to say anything else on this because it'll just become a circular argument going round and round. I've no interest in that.
I've explained my view as to why it's a red card, and others will disagree with me and that's totally fine. And look if he gets off on appeal, good luck to him.
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Replying To royaldunne: "I'm beginning to wonder myself. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES was Morris a red. By any rule. Now Flynn we are on shakier ground. But Morris absolutely not." The reaction from certain Meath fans is a bit odd, alright. If a Meath player rolled around the floor like the Dublin player did, I'd be embarrassed for him.
I remember the reaction to Diarmuid Connolly's red card in 2011 against Donegal. That was a stonewall red card as he raised his hands to the Donegal player's face and then punched him in the neck. There was a massive Dublin campaign to get the red card rescinded which was successful in the end. That was the same season that Brian Farrell got sent off for absolutely nothing against Kildare and the red card was somehow upheld.
Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1374 - 25/05/2022 10:30:14
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Replying To brian: "Lads I've seen a few posts coming back to me. Here's the chain of events, Jordan Morris ran 15-20 yards to push over Gannon right under the linesmans nose (it was premeditated and not a reaction), then gave him the wha wha crying rubbing his eyes gesture at Gannon.
Morris had two offences in the same incident 1) he shoved Gannon Page 54 and 55 5.12 (a) To push an opponent with the hand(s) or hurley and 2) he then proceeded to 5.3 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent.
Under the rules (ii) Caution offender for persistently committing such fouls. Order off for further repetition or for other Cautionable Foul.
That's why he got a straight red, two separate cards within the same instance as I'm reading the rule book. I'm not trying to say it was right or wrong, or whether incidents like this does or doesn't happen in other games, I'm simply looking at this incident and trying to understand and explain my understanding of why O'Mahoney issued the red card.
As to the rights and wrongs and interpretation of what happened, how the referee interpreted the rules and people saying it happens in the game all the time (which i'm not arguing the point of) and saying he pushed in front of his manager to curry favour, and others whining about the people who say that I'm not interested in it at all.
Many are trying to say it happens all the time in games and yes it does absolutely and yes nothing is done for the vast majority of those incidents. But the simplest thing about this is, Jordan Morris didn't need to do what he did, he was caught clearly doing it and in my opinion has to suffer the consequences of his own act of stupidity.
I'm not going to say anything else on this because it'll just become a circular argument going round and round. I've no interest in that.
I've explained my view as to why it's a red card, and others will disagree with me and that's totally fine. And look if he gets off on appeal, good luck to him." The sequence of events was Morris pushed Gannon, referee red carded Morris. Morris' gesture towards Gannon was after the red card was produced so had absolutely no effect on the referee's decision. He was red carded solely for a push which, as pointed out in the rules, is a yellow card offence.
If Morris' red is upheld then you're going to end up having players flatten other players if it's going to result in the same punishment as a push.
Was Morris stupid in what he did? Yes! Did it deserve a red card? Absolutely not!
Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1374 - 25/05/2022 10:37:02
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Ratotath Royal, if that's the sequence as you've laid it out then yes absolutely it's never a red. I thought he made the gesture straight at Gannon, after pushing him over, this was seen by O'Mahoney and he was then sent off, which is where i was basing my carding from. Checked the highlights there on Youtube and can't see that gesture incident to say one way or the other. There's a photo on balls.ie which lines up with what you're saying so looks like I'm in the wrong.
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 25/05/2022 11:31:05
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Replying To Ratoath Royal: "The reaction from certain Meath fans is a bit odd, alright. If a Meath player rolled around the floor like the Dublin player did, I'd be embarrassed for him.
I remember the reaction to Diarmuid Connolly's red card in 2011 against Donegal. That was a stonewall red card as he raised his hands to the Donegal player's face and then punched him in the neck. There was a massive Dublin campaign to get the red card rescinded which was successful in the end. That was the same season that Brian Farrell got sent off for absolutely nothing against Kildare and the red card was somehow upheld." Remember it well.
Now if Morris did what gannon did rolling around holding his head then I would be absolutely livid. But he didn't he did the wah wah (to show gannon was a cry baby) If I remember that correctly that was after the red
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/05/2022 13:25:40
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Replying To Jinxie: "I dont thing Flynn's was as bad as people as maintaining. Cooper changes direction back into him and duckss down. If he doesnt do that, Flynn only makes contact with the back of his arm/shoulder and dislodges the ball, which was surely his only intention. For Flynn to have intented to elbow Cooper on the face, he would have had to have know Cooper was going to change direction and duck into the challenge... And if he can predict stuff like that, then he'll go far...." That's a very valid point.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/05/2022 13:26:31
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Replying To brian: "Lads I've seen a few posts coming back to me. Here's the chain of events, Jordan Morris ran 15-20 yards to push over Gannon right under the linesmans nose (it was premeditated and not a reaction), then gave him the wha wha crying rubbing his eyes gesture at Gannon.
Morris had two offences in the same incident 1) he shoved Gannon Page 54 and 55 5.12 (a) To push an opponent with the hand(s) or hurley and 2) he then proceeded to 5.3 To threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent.
Under the rules (ii) Caution offender for persistently committing such fouls. Order off for further repetition or for other Cautionable Foul.
That's why he got a straight red, two separate cards within the same instance as I'm reading the rule book. I'm not trying to say it was right or wrong, or whether incidents like this does or doesn't happen in other games, I'm simply looking at this incident and trying to understand and explain my understanding of why O'Mahoney issued the red card.
As to the rights and wrongs and interpretation of what happened, how the referee interpreted the rules and people saying it happens in the game all the time (which i'm not arguing the point of) and saying he pushed in front of his manager to curry favour, and others whining about the people who say that I'm not interested in it at all.
Many are trying to say it happens all the time in games and yes it does absolutely and yes nothing is done for the vast majority of those incidents. But the simplest thing about this is, Jordan Morris didn't need to do what he did, he was caught clearly doing it and in my opinion has to suffer the consequences of his own act of stupidity.
I'm not going to say anything else on this because it'll just become a circular argument going round and round. I've no interest in that.
I've explained my view as to why it's a red card, and others will disagree with me and that's totally fine. And look if he gets off on appeal, good luck to him." Was the wah wah not after the red when leaving field ? I haven't watched back but I thought it was. Could be wrong.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/05/2022 13:28:21
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