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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Yeah fair enough if that was the point he was making. Defintely better than having a full open draw. Out of curiosity would the team that finishes top of group A be able to be drawn against the 2nd place in group A in the open draw 1/4s or would it be you can't face the team from your group in the 1/4s?"
Well personally I would be saying that they couldn't meet each other until the semi finals possibly which would again be another open draw, but thats just my opinion on how it should be done and (I think) Juicy is of the same mindset

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 557 - 28/04/2022 16:06:19    2413918

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Replying To ratlag:  "Well personally I would be saying that they couldn't meet each other until the semi finals possibly which would again be another open draw, but thats just my opinion on how it should be done and (I think) Juicy is of the same mindset"
Yea that's what I was trying to say, Thanks for making it clear ratlag. And just to be clear a full open draw of 8 teams is NOT the way to go. You have to give the team who tops their group some benefit

I just think the less that's know about the 1/4s in the group stage the better. That way the team on top after round 2 will always want to finish top to avoid a clash with a 'better' team if they were to finish 2nd.

As for the semi finals, id have an open draw but make it at the same time as the 1/4 final draw. Not automatically A v B, C v D. and have a different draw for each of the championships. Wouldn't take a whole lot of extra effort.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 29/04/2022 10:59:37    2414010

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Saw a post on Twitter regarding getting rid of relegation quarter finals. I completely forgot about this.
This just absolutely has to go!! Anyone agree?
Bottom 4 in relegation semi finals adds a more cut throat element to it.
Also as mentioned in the tweet - lead to dead rubber games between two teams who were both in relegation regardless.

Anmhi364 (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 29/04/2022 13:47:28    2414060

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Anyone know if or when a new fixture planner for championship will be released after the changes to the intermediate and junior championships were made. Originally down for 5 group games in both grades now it's cut down to 3/4. Impossible for lads to plan a life around football with fixture planners like this

Meathman4004 (Meath) - Posts: 1 - 29/04/2022 14:35:26    2414068

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Replying To Meathman4004:  "Anyone know if or when a new fixture planner for championship will be released after the changes to the intermediate and junior championships were made. Originally down for 5 group games in both grades now it's cut down to 3/4. Impossible for lads to plan a life around football with fixture planners like this"
Hey - I'm sure not many will agree with me on this - but it is a bugbear of mine!!Looking at the club fixtures for this week - something that strikes me;

There are a bunch of fixtures tonight with Division 1A and Division 1B having a full set of games. But here is my issue;

As an example, Dunboyne firsts are out tonight and their seconds are out on Thursday. St Colmcilles and Skrynes 1st are out tonight and their seconds are out on Thursday (In fairness playing one another!!). Navan O'Mahony's first are out tonight and their seconds are out on Thursday

Contrast that, Dunshaughlin, Ashbourne, Trim, Kells and Ratoath's first and second teams are playing tonight! (There might be others!)

I just think it leads to a really inconsistent league! I know clubs name a certain number of players who are restricted to first team championship and another list that commits players for first team league but after that there is a lot of chopping and changing but obviously it is easier if your two teams are not playing on the same night!

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 475 - 03/05/2022 12:22:21    2414550

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Replying To Royalblufill:  "Hey - I'm sure not many will agree with me on this - but it is a bugbear of mine!!Looking at the club fixtures for this week - something that strikes me;

There are a bunch of fixtures tonight with Division 1A and Division 1B having a full set of games. But here is my issue;

As an example, Dunboyne firsts are out tonight and their seconds are out on Thursday. St Colmcilles and Skrynes 1st are out tonight and their seconds are out on Thursday (In fairness playing one another!!). Navan O'Mahony's first are out tonight and their seconds are out on Thursday

Contrast that, Dunshaughlin, Ashbourne, Trim, Kells and Ratoath's first and second teams are playing tonight! (There might be others!)

I just think it leads to a really inconsistent league! I know clubs name a certain number of players who are restricted to first team championship and another list that commits players for first team league but after that there is a lot of chopping and changing but obviously it is easier if your two teams are not playing on the same night!"
Two teams playing on the one night is ludicrous , where is the secretary supposed to go to help with team sheets.

Team away will have zero support.

Nothing surprises me anymore

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1047 - 03/05/2022 14:46:51    2414621

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Good lord, groups B & C in the SFC could hardly be more different in terms of quality.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 10/05/2022 09:24:16    2416109

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "Good lord, groups B & C in the SFC could hardly be more different in terms of quality."
This is exactly why I think the draw needs to be seeded.

No offence to anyone but this is still a false championship IMO.

Last years 4 semi finalists should be in Pot A & B.

Beaten quarter finalists Pot C.

3 relegation survivors along with intermediate championship in Pot D.


I presume bottom 2 teams are going into relegation again ? Another change that's needed, should be only bottom teams.

Bottom two teams will still not solve dead rubber games.

If you cannot qualify in last group game you simply will not risk injuries hence weakened teams will play, any manager would do the same.

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1047 - 10/05/2022 12:31:07    2416212

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Tones look to have got luck of the draw and look odds on to get quarter spot along with Cilles dunboyne and summer hill should also progress. Trim have landed on their feet with 3 of last year's relegation contenders and May nudge tru along with moynalvey.
Can kells defiy the odds and get a top 2 spot. Ratoath should while kells have good record over Don/ash but it be tight squeeze with simonstown not far off

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 10/05/2022 12:47:46    2416221

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Replying To Brownepat:  "Tones look to have got luck of the draw and look odds on to get quarter spot along with Cilles dunboyne and summer hill should also progress. Trim have landed on their feet with 3 of last year's relegation contenders and May nudge tru along with moynalvey.
Can kells defiy the odds and get a top 2 spot. Ratoath should while kells have good record over Don/ash but it be tight squeeze with simonstown not far off"
Kells finishing 2nd would hardly be defying the odd in fairness

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 10/05/2022 13:28:57    2416238

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Bottom 2 in relegation is one of the worst ideas to pass in recent times , and there has been alot.

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 415 - 10/05/2022 14:06:19    2416256

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What do people think ? Pick the two qualifiers from each group ?

Group A

Seneschalstown v St Colmcille's; Wolfe Tones v Skryne.

Tones & Skyrne

Group B

Trim v Navan O'Mahonys; Moynalvey v Curraha.

Moynalvey & O mahonys

Group C

Gaeil Colmcille v Don/Ashbourne; Ratoath v Simonstown Gaels.

Ratoath & Simonstown

Group D

Ballinabrackey v Na Fianna; Dunboyne v Summerhill.

Dunboyne & Na Fianna

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 10/05/2022 15:07:24    2416282

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Replying To hurlit:  "Bottom 2 in relegation is one of the worst ideas to pass in recent times , and there has been alot."
I agreed with that last year but having seen a group with Trim, Navan, Curraha and Moynalvey I can see the purpose of it. If Navan could pick up a win against Curraha they could lose every league game, lose 2 of 3 championship games and stay up. Where as group C is a horror show and I could see Simonstown or Ratoath even finishing bottom and all of a sudden they would be into a relaxation semi final. I think the 3rd into the relegation quarter pretty much ensures the worst team will go down. And if somebody loses 3 relegation playoff games they can have no complaints in going down

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1458 - 10/05/2022 16:18:19    2416327

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "I agreed with that last year but having seen a group with Trim, Navan, Curraha and Moynalvey I can see the purpose of it. If Navan could pick up a win against Curraha they could lose every league game, lose 2 of 3 championship games and stay up. Where as group C is a horror show and I could see Simonstown or Ratoath even finishing bottom and all of a sudden they would be into a relaxation semi final. I think the 3rd into the relegation quarter pretty much ensures the worst team will go down. And if somebody loses 3 relegation playoff games they can have no complaints in going down"
Don't agree with this at all. 4 teams in a relegation semi final is more than adequate to ensure worst team gets relegated . Also , possibly creates an easily avoided dead rubber group game if 3rd and 4th in a group play eachother in last game, as both would be in relegation anyway - the CB has to get rid of this

Anmhi364 (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 10/05/2022 18:23:06    2416360

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I can see you're point but the idea of only one going into a relegation semi final is to ensure no dead rubber games in the group stage. If Navan managed to beat Curragha then they deserve to stay up on the merit of that win. With regards the other group, this is why I would agree with a seeding for the draw aswell, although whoever finishes 3rd/4th in that group I can't see losing 3 relegation games on the bounce and going down, all 4 teams have contested Keegan semi finals and finals in the lst 2 years

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 557 - 11/05/2022 08:27:03    2416401

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Replying To Bear10:  "What do people think ? Pick the two qualifiers from each group ?

Group A

Seneschalstown v St Colmcille's; Wolfe Tones v Skryne.

Tones & Skyrne

Group B

Trim v Navan O'Mahonys; Moynalvey v Curraha.

Moynalvey & O mahonys

Group C

Gaeil Colmcille v Don/Ashbourne; Ratoath v Simonstown Gaels.

Ratoath & Simonstown

Group D

Ballinabrackey v Na Fianna; Dunboyne v Summerhill.

Dunboyne & Na Fianna"
Group A - Gonna say Tones & Cilles

Group B - I have a feeling Curraha will be better this year and will qualify, between Moynalvey and Trim, ill say Moynalvey

Group C - Still think Ratoath with a fully fit team are the best in the county, Simonstown league form is up and down however I expect them to come good in the summer, Ill go with Ratoath and Simonstown.

Group D - First round of games are gonna be critical in this group, as a Bracks man I know we are still adapting to senior football which incorporates the physicality and experience. However we are doing okay and have not taking any hidings thus far, We will give each of these teams a games but will need some luck undoubtedly. Its easy to say Dunboyne and Summerhill however this could be a very interesting group going into the last round. Bracks V Na Fianna in clonard I imagine will be some battle in round one as will Dunboyne V summerhill in HQ'S.

Roll on august

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1047 - 11/05/2022 09:43:45    2416407

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A lot of football to be played between now and the start of championship.

I reckon Tones are pretty happy with their group not having to play a big gun until the quarter final maybe even semi final if they get someone from group B

O Mahonys and Curraha will also be happy with their group, both are facing into relegation but knowing they have a better chance against Trim or Moynalvey rather than Kells or Ratoath.

Looking forward to group C & D, 6 of last years quarter finalists plus two other very good teams will make two groups of death. Kells, Ratoath, Summerhill and Ballinabrackey to come through

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 11/05/2022 11:22:06    2416447

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "I agreed with that last year but having seen a group with Trim, Navan, Curraha and Moynalvey I can see the purpose of it. If Navan could pick up a win against Curraha they could lose every league game, lose 2 of 3 championship games and stay up. Where as group C is a horror show and I could see Simonstown or Ratoath even finishing bottom and all of a sudden they would be into a relaxation semi final. I think the 3rd into the relegation quarter pretty much ensures the worst team will go down. And if somebody loses 3 relegation playoff games they can have no complaints in going down"
Needless games , with the same end result.
Pointless as proved last year.

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 415 - 11/05/2022 11:33:11    2416449

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Replying To hurlit:  "Needless games , with the same end result.
Pointless as proved last year."
There's no bite to relegation quarter finals - it has to go

Anmhi364 (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 11/05/2022 12:03:32    2416461

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If the county board have to get rid of the 3rd place going into the relegation playoffs, do they not also have to get rid of 2nd place reaching the QFs?

They're the same thing.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1644 - 11/05/2022 12:06:05    2416464

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