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Will RD continue the delusion for another summer, or realise its not the 90s anymore. ?" Imagine creating an account on hoganstand to post such absolute waffle.
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Replying To Thejoeshow: "Imagine creating an account on hoganstand to post such absolute waffle." It's called trolling I'm well use to it. Glad to say it's not genuinely Meath people, when you see a horrendously disrespectful post from a Roscommon poster about our county and our grounds getti 3 or 4 thumbs up. You begin to realize that there is a lot of registered Meath posters who are not Meath people. I have use en one Meath person say they agree with the other post. So now I'm calling out those who like this comment (one made by rossie ) to say it in answer to this post. Just say I have it a thumbs up .
We will wait and see.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/03/2022 13:08:04
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Replying To Vish: "That was an Awful campaign by Meath in--- "Div 2"
Will RD continue the delusion for another summer, or realise its not the 90s anymore. ?" You know I often think of stepping away from this forum as it's now nothing only a sham. Then however I see how much I get under the skins of pathetic keyboard warriors. And I know I NEVER WILL.
HON THE ROYAL
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/03/2022 13:10:20
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I admit that Sunday was the first league game I have attended this year. That's shame on me but here is what I thought. I felt it was a very competitive game with two very evenly match sides going at it. Derry have high hope going into the Ulster championship while Meath have been underwhelming in the league with not a great deal expected. I do however think we are going into the championship now in decent shape with most of our main players back to full fitness. I also think the Leinster championship is a great opportunity given Dublins woes and Kildare yet to fully justify the hype given their relegation. The mistake aside, Hogan has performed reasonably well in the league and with improving confidence and judgement will make a good keeper. I was surprisingly impressed with Harkin who looks like a really good ball carrier and athletic player. He will no doubt be a corner or wing back and will be an important player in transition along with Keoghan and Hickey. With McGill at 3 and Harnan at 6, I think we can build on a solid backline. Jones had a good league and Menton returning is a boost. That is a decent midfield at intercounty level. Thomas Reilly has been consistent and wins good primary possession. I think he deserves his place at 11. I thought Jack O' Connor showed really well and has alot of pace. He is now a serious option. Scully worked hard throughout the league, but our other so called bigger names have yet to contribute significantly in the forward line at all. Costello is a good prospect but seems very easy going rather than driving at teams. The most obvious thing however is our lack of quick ball into full forward line and the fact more often than not there is nobody in there. This is criminal and stops that out ball option. Shane Walsh, Joey Wallace etc kept leaving the inside line looking for handy ball. Geraghty and Murphy in their hay day rarely did that but in saying that, Giles provided a constant supply. This is the fundamental flaw in our game and unless we start using the full forward line kick option we will become predictable and easy overcome.
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Overall our league form wasn't as bad as it looked to be at the beginning. We found a very good keeper who will be there for a long time . I personally don't like the huge reliance on his dead ball kicking but it's worked so far. Everything else is pretty much as was over the last few years. The return of a few key players from injury will improve our championship chances and a good draw could get to a Leinster final. Still don't think we will beat Kildare or Dublin so no further on but no further back.
ABK67 (Meath) - Posts: 62 - 30/03/2022 10:55:58
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Replying To winatallcost: "I admit that Sunday was the first league game I have attended this year. That's shame on me but here is what I thought. I felt it was a very competitive game with two very evenly match sides going at it. Derry have high hope going into the Ulster championship while Meath have been underwhelming in the league with not a great deal expected. I do however think we are going into the championship now in decent shape with most of our main players back to full fitness. I also think the Leinster championship is a great opportunity given Dublins woes and Kildare yet to fully justify the hype given their relegation. The mistake aside, Hogan has performed reasonably well in the league and with improving confidence and judgement will make a good keeper. I was surprisingly impressed with Harkin who looks like a really good ball carrier and athletic player. He will no doubt be a corner or wing back and will be an important player in transition along with Keoghan and Hickey. With McGill at 3 and Harnan at 6, I think we can build on a solid backline. Jones had a good league and Menton returning is a boost. That is a decent midfield at intercounty level. Thomas Reilly has been consistent and wins good primary possession. I think he deserves his place at 11. I thought Jack O' Connor showed really well and has alot of pace. He is now a serious option. Scully worked hard throughout the league, but our other so called bigger names have yet to contribute significantly in the forward line at all. Costello is a good prospect but seems very easy going rather than driving at teams. The most obvious thing however is our lack of quick ball into full forward line and the fact more often than not there is nobody in there. This is criminal and stops that out ball option. Shane Walsh, Joey Wallace etc kept leaving the inside line looking for handy ball. Geraghty and Murphy in their hay day rarely did that but in saying that, Giles provided a constant supply. This is the fundamental flaw in our game and unless we start using the full forward line kick option we will become predictable and easy overcome." You make a few interesting points and i think nail where everything breaks down. We've a serviceable keeper, I think he's still a touch under sized and can be got at, and his free's and scoring are covering up some issues he has with kick outs and errors, but he's better than what's been there before. McGill and Harnan give you a solid foundation but really need to be dominating their positions and can be a little soft, you need the middle corridor to be an alley no one wants to go down. We've no tight tigerish marking corner back and that will cost us against the best teams who have 2-3 players who can score. McGuigan and Loughlin plundered 1-10 between them and they're not elite forwards. We've great lads for transitions (Keoghan, James, Hickey, Harkin) but that gets caught in a mass/ blank defence and we've to pass over and back and can't break teams down any other way. Menton and Jones are a serviceable midfield but that's about it, both are make do midfielders as menton is a natural half back and Jones a natural half forward. Neither are dominant ball winners and able to do it against the best teams so we'll struggle. Forward line is where the huge issues are. O'Reilly might win ball but does nothing with it at all, he can't distribute, he can't score, he can't take on his man and drive on, he's just not up to this level. Costello has regressed and hopefully the summer ground might suit him a bit more, but he needs to really start pushing himself on and become a leader of this team. Scully works hard and hopefully more game time might bring him on but he along with O'Reilly and Costello need to up their scoring rates or be replaced. As you rightly say the inside forwards are a huge issue, with little ability to win primary possession and beat their man. Walsh continue's to disappoint. I'd prefrer to see him out at 11 and replacing O'Reilly and have him involved and touching the ball. Morris will start come the championship but again he needs a kick in the pants and to dramatically up his levels again. As some have said maybe this transfer thing has affected him but he needs to move on and start concentrating on his football, Cillian O'Sullivan will be himself, nothing more nothing less, sublime and infuriating at the same time I'd hope to see an improvement in his scoring again from him but it's a worry. The fact our bench are no longer impacting games is a huge factor this year. Unless that improves from the wallaces, McMahon etc then we're really on a hiding to nothing.
I wouldn't be optimistic about the Leinster, and think you're paying both teams a huge disservice. Dublin and Kildare are miles ahead of us and both won games in Division 1 this year, lets not forget that both were in the running to stay up on Sunday and Dublin were relegated with the last kick of the ball in their game. In 2020 we got a solitary draw, and never looked capable of winning a game. Teams were always comfortable against us and when they kicked we'd nothing in the tank. And we've regressed hugely since then.
For me there's now top 10 teams and everyone else and we're in the latter category and will struggle against any top 10 team. As many have said when was our last notable win against a big team... 2020 v Kildare i would've considered us as equals so that aside you're talking a long time ago, and talk of running this team and that close is just that, talk because they couldn't get it done.
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Replying To winatallcost: "I admit that Sunday was the first league game I have attended this year. That's shame on me but here is what I thought. I felt it was a very competitive game with two very evenly match sides going at it. Derry have high hope going into the Ulster championship while Meath have been underwhelming in the league with not a great deal expected. I do however think we are going into the championship now in decent shape with most of our main players back to full fitness. I also think the Leinster championship is a great opportunity given Dublins woes and Kildare yet to fully justify the hype given their relegation. The mistake aside, Hogan has performed reasonably well in the league and with improving confidence and judgement will make a good keeper. I was surprisingly impressed with Harkin who looks like a really good ball carrier and athletic player. He will no doubt be a corner or wing back and will be an important player in transition along with Keoghan and Hickey. With McGill at 3 and Harnan at 6, I think we can build on a solid backline. Jones had a good league and Menton returning is a boost. That is a decent midfield at intercounty level. Thomas Reilly has been consistent and wins good primary possession. I think he deserves his place at 11. I thought Jack O' Connor showed really well and has alot of pace. He is now a serious option. Scully worked hard throughout the league, but our other so called bigger names have yet to contribute significantly in the forward line at all. Costello is a good prospect but seems very easy going rather than driving at teams. The most obvious thing however is our lack of quick ball into full forward line and the fact more often than not there is nobody in there. This is criminal and stops that out ball option. Shane Walsh, Joey Wallace etc kept leaving the inside line looking for handy ball. Geraghty and Murphy in their hay day rarely did that but in saying that, Giles provided a constant supply. This is the fundamental flaw in our game and unless we start using the full forward line kick option we will become predictable and easy overcome." Fair summary, what's bizarre to me is Shane walsh and Morris are more than able to win direct ball; two b of lads and Morris has a spring. Neither are effective further out
Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 30/03/2022 12:03:42
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Just had a look back over the league campaign
We scored as follows
Total 7-72
Play 5-39
Placed 2-31
Marks 0-2
Average Score 1-10.3 a game...
This is a stark warning and shows what our biggest issue is.
From the above, our top scorer from play had 0-7 and no player scored more than twice from open play in a game all league long. Our biggest problem is simply we don't score enough and we don't have players with the ability to get multiple scores against opposition and that require a bit of attention.
Quite simply our game plan of running hard and fast on the counter and trying to create goal scoring chances is masking an inability to kick the ball into inside forwards who win their own ball and score or having players who aren't able to kick the ball over the bar from 30+ yards. Whether that's a management directive or players just aren't good enough to score from distance means every team can game plan for us, set up along the 21 and push outwards and we can't break the line and take pot shots. We are in effect an easy team to game plan for and can be snuffed out easily.
Teams can plan as follows
1) pressurise our kick out's, force errors from us and score, which happens a lot, just less with harry in goals or maybe its the opposition we've played so far
2) allow us to have the ball and have to try and create a chance knowing we're unable to kick over the top and score, crowd us out and break fast and score
Maybe that's too simplistic a view but we're quite easy to work out.
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Replying To brian: "Just had a look back over the league campaign
We scored as follows
Total 7-72
Play 5-39
Placed 2-31
Marks 0-2
Average Score 1-10.3 a game...
This is a stark warning and shows what our biggest issue is.
From the above, our top scorer from play had 0-7 and no player scored more than twice from open play in a game all league long. Our biggest problem is simply we don't score enough and we don't have players with the ability to get multiple scores against opposition and that require a bit of attention.
Quite simply our game plan of running hard and fast on the counter and trying to create goal scoring chances is masking an inability to kick the ball into inside forwards who win their own ball and score or having players who aren't able to kick the ball over the bar from 30+ yards. Whether that's a management directive or players just aren't good enough to score from distance means every team can game plan for us, set up along the 21 and push outwards and we can't break the line and take pot shots. We are in effect an easy team to game plan for and can be snuffed out easily.
Teams can plan as follows
1) pressurise our kick out's, force errors from us and score, which happens a lot, just less with harry in goals or maybe its the opposition we've played so far
2) allow us to have the ball and have to try and create a chance knowing we're unable to kick over the top and score, crowd us out and break fast and score
Maybe that's too simplistic a view but we're quite easy to work out." Yeh................No doubting what you say there is true. The real issue is thats been the case for years now and no real attempt at correction or improvement in that time. No doubting whatsoever that those things could have been attended to with some success at least. The players of course have to take responsibility also of course . Good coaching /management would have that culture there as part of instilling the required ATTITUDE in the team anyway .. That has not happened so history now . We can only look forward to the time when we start with a fresh page . I hope the CB will take a fresh approach including looking at the key roles of manager and back room team and the skills required in overall management to instal and maintain the culture where ATTITUDE of self and team improvement is top of every agenda. I think for that to happen the CB have to begin with themselves and look at how they have done the job in the last few years and how they aim to improve their leadership and vision from the top. Nothing new in that approach in anything of course.In this case it is VITAL that it is a full blooded SERIOUS review done in a timely manner......... Dare i mention it AGAIN. That 3 wise men idea looked like a real visionary idea at the time. It looks even better now!
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 30/03/2022 13:32:10
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Replying To Thejoeshow: "Fair summary, what's bizarre to me is Shane walsh and Morris are more than able to win direct ball; two b of lads and Morris has a spring. Neither are effective further out" If you watch Shane Walsh for Na Fianna he does similar. For DCU he played as an 11 and a link man. For the Meath 17's when they won Leinster he was 11. I think he prefers to be an 11 and drift in and out. It's frustrating because we need him to stay inside. Morris agreed he has no interest in being anywhere but scoring range I think
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Replying To brian: "You make a few interesting points and i think nail where everything breaks down. We've a serviceable keeper, I think he's still a touch under sized and can be got at, and his free's and scoring are covering up some issues he has with kick outs and errors, but he's better than what's been there before. McGill and Harnan give you a solid foundation but really need to be dominating their positions and can be a little soft, you need the middle corridor to be an alley no one wants to go down. We've no tight tigerish marking corner back and that will cost us against the best teams who have 2-3 players who can score. McGuigan and Loughlin plundered 1-10 between them and they're not elite forwards. We've great lads for transitions (Keoghan, James, Hickey, Harkin) but that gets caught in a mass/ blank defence and we've to pass over and back and can't break teams down any other way. Menton and Jones are a serviceable midfield but that's about it, both are make do midfielders as menton is a natural half back and Jones a natural half forward. Neither are dominant ball winners and able to do it against the best teams so we'll struggle. Forward line is where the huge issues are. O'Reilly might win ball but does nothing with it at all, he can't distribute, he can't score, he can't take on his man and drive on, he's just not up to this level. Costello has regressed and hopefully the summer ground might suit him a bit more, but he needs to really start pushing himself on and become a leader of this team. Scully works hard and hopefully more game time might bring him on but he along with O'Reilly and Costello need to up their scoring rates or be replaced. As you rightly say the inside forwards are a huge issue, with little ability to win primary possession and beat their man. Walsh continue's to disappoint. I'd prefrer to see him out at 11 and replacing O'Reilly and have him involved and touching the ball. Morris will start come the championship but again he needs a kick in the pants and to dramatically up his levels again. As some have said maybe this transfer thing has affected him but he needs to move on and start concentrating on his football, Cillian O'Sullivan will be himself, nothing more nothing less, sublime and infuriating at the same time I'd hope to see an improvement in his scoring again from him but it's a worry. The fact our bench are no longer impacting games is a huge factor this year. Unless that improves from the wallaces, McMahon etc then we're really on a hiding to nothing.
I wouldn't be optimistic about the Leinster, and think you're paying both teams a huge disservice. Dublin and Kildare are miles ahead of us and both won games in Division 1 this year, lets not forget that both were in the running to stay up on Sunday and Dublin were relegated with the last kick of the ball in their game. In 2020 we got a solitary draw, and never looked capable of winning a game. Teams were always comfortable against us and when they kicked we'd nothing in the tank. And we've regressed hugely since then.
For me there's now top 10 teams and everyone else and we're in the latter category and will struggle against any top 10 team. As many have said when was our last notable win against a big team... 2020 v Kildare i would've considered us as equals so that aside you're talking a long time ago, and talk of running this team and that close is just that, talk because they couldn't get it done." Our last big championship win was probably Kildare in 2012. And there aren't many since 2001 let's be honest. Tyrone 07, Mayo 09, Dublin 10, Kildare 2012. Don't think there's been many more than that in the last 21 years.
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Our last big championship win was probably Kildare in 2012. And there aren't many since 2001 let's be honest. Tyrone 07, Mayo 09, Dublin 10, Kildare 2012. Don't think there's been many more than that in the last 21 years." Thanks Leitrim, i was trying to think was there anything i had forgotten but nail on the head from you.
I know i can sometimes be harsh on things with the current team but having grown up during the 80's and seeing us regularly beat Dublin and contest all ireland's it pains me to see us almost not even being at the races. Even if we could get back to regularly beating teams around us and pushing to the top 6 teams in the country would be good.
A year or so ago i would've considered us as being at the same level as Galway, Roscommon, Kildare, Armagh and maybe just behind Monaghan and whilst they have all improved and developed we've regressed significantly. There's a myriad of reasons why and I'm not blaming anyone specifically for that, players, management and county board all have a portion of humble pie to eat on this.
All i can say is hopefully the improvements being made to underage structures and set up will flow through to the senior team in the next few years. We know there's a new manager coming and hopefully they along with the team they put in place can improve on whats there and utilise whats coming through.
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 30/03/2022 14:22:35
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Replying To brian: "You make a few interesting points and i think nail where everything breaks down. We've a serviceable keeper, I think he's still a touch under sized and can be got at, and his free's and scoring are covering up some issues he has with kick outs and errors, but he's better than what's been there before. McGill and Harnan give you a solid foundation but really need to be dominating their positions and can be a little soft, you need the middle corridor to be an alley no one wants to go down. We've no tight tigerish marking corner back and that will cost us against the best teams who have 2-3 players who can score. McGuigan and Loughlin plundered 1-10 between them and they're not elite forwards. We've great lads for transitions (Keoghan, James, Hickey, Harkin) but that gets caught in a mass/ blank defence and we've to pass over and back and can't break teams down any other way. Menton and Jones are a serviceable midfield but that's about it, both are make do midfielders as menton is a natural half back and Jones a natural half forward. Neither are dominant ball winners and able to do it against the best teams so we'll struggle. Forward line is where the huge issues are. O'Reilly might win ball but does nothing with it at all, he can't distribute, he can't score, he can't take on his man and drive on, he's just not up to this level. Costello has regressed and hopefully the summer ground might suit him a bit more, but he needs to really start pushing himself on and become a leader of this team. Scully works hard and hopefully more game time might bring him on but he along with O'Reilly and Costello need to up their scoring rates or be replaced. As you rightly say the inside forwards are a huge issue, with little ability to win primary possession and beat their man. Walsh continue's to disappoint. I'd prefrer to see him out at 11 and replacing O'Reilly and have him involved and touching the ball. Morris will start come the championship but again he needs a kick in the pants and to dramatically up his levels again. As some have said maybe this transfer thing has affected him but he needs to move on and start concentrating on his football, Cillian O'Sullivan will be himself, nothing more nothing less, sublime and infuriating at the same time I'd hope to see an improvement in his scoring again from him but it's a worry. The fact our bench are no longer impacting games is a huge factor this year. Unless that improves from the wallaces, McMahon etc then we're really on a hiding to nothing.
I wouldn't be optimistic about the Leinster, and think you're paying both teams a huge disservice. Dublin and Kildare are miles ahead of us and both won games in Division 1 this year, lets not forget that both were in the running to stay up on Sunday and Dublin were relegated with the last kick of the ball in their game. In 2020 we got a solitary draw, and never looked capable of winning a game. Teams were always comfortable against us and when they kicked we'd nothing in the tank. And we've regressed hugely since then.
For me there's now top 10 teams and everyone else and we're in the latter category and will struggle against any top 10 team. As many have said when was our last notable win against a big team... 2020 v Kildare i would've considered us as equals so that aside you're talking a long time ago, and talk of running this team and that close is just that, talk because they couldn't get it done." Hogan has been a good addition, however, his kickouts have yet to be put under pressure and its a case of wait and see, still not enough movement out the field to give him as many options as possible
Centre and fullback areas of concern, will we see the McGill of three years ago or the underperforming player of last two years? Midfield as you say is serviceable, hard working but not great fielders. Hopefully COS returns to form, the rest have been given too much faith and continue to missfire. I still belive the system plays a major role in displays but its not going to change this season. We are so predictable the way we play its easy to counteract and has beem for a number of years. In Leinster, Kildare now have something long missing from their game, several scoreing forwards. Dublin have slipped back a bit but still look way ahead of Meath. Eleven scores per game is nowhere near the average required to win championship games against any opposition.
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Will RD continue the delusion for another summer, or realise its not the 90s anymore. ?" It did improve to the end .We nearly had 3 wins in a row. But it was awful, struggling to beat a hurling County ,and drawing with 2 teams that will struggle in Div 3. Unlike RD I think the players are there, I also think they are kept to a high fitness level. A few small changes could make a big difference. Maybe bring in a fresh pair of eyes to give advice over layout and it would make a big difference. Selection and strategy are impossible to make sense of at the moment.
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Replying To Ashrules: "It did improve to the end .We nearly had 3 wins in a row. But it was awful, struggling to beat a hurling County ,and drawing with 2 teams that will struggle in Div 3. Unlike RD I think the players are there, I also think they are kept to a high fitness level. A few small changes could make a big difference. Maybe bring in a fresh pair of eyes to give advice over layout and it would make a big difference. Selection and strategy are impossible to make sense of at the moment." I agree it's clear to see from the last couple of games that the players are moving very well and the fitness levels are not the issue. Our gameplay is our downfall at the minute can we turn it around? Hopefully we are a hard surface team built for speed so I'd like to think we will improve as the summer goes on
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Replying To seadog54: "Hogan has been a good addition, however, his kickouts have yet to be put under pressure and its a case of wait and see, still not enough movement out the field to give him as many options as possible
Centre and fullback areas of concern, will we see the McGill of three years ago or the underperforming player of last two years? Midfield as you say is serviceable, hard working but not great fielders. Hopefully COS returns to form, the rest have been given too much faith and continue to missfire. I still belive the system plays a major role in displays but its not going to change this season. We are so predictable the way we play its easy to counteract and has beem for a number of years. In Leinster, Kildare now have something long missing from their game, several scoreing forwards. Dublin have slipped back a bit but still look way ahead of Meath. Eleven scores per game is nowhere near the average required to win championship games against any opposition." I would agree with this ref Hogan. I also think that it is unfair on him to expect him to shoulder all of the free taking duties - he has enough to be concentrating on. He could take the long range frees but if Andy is expecting him to take all frees no matter how close then that has implications both that could disrupt him during a game.
What if he misses a real easy one - will that affect him in goals or if he makes a howler will he put himself under undue pressure when taking a free after that?
Will he be susceptible to a quick kickout after he takes a free? Also, will he need to dedicate a portion of his training to practicing free kicks as well as practicing kick out strategies as well as practicing shot stopping while other players are not nearly as busy.
Hogan is also in his first season and I think that Andy is being a bit unfair if he lumbers all of this on him. In my opinion its the managers duty to identify and develop the players and ensure that an unfair burden is not placed on one. This could backfire on him in the championship.
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What if he misses a real easy one - will that affect him in goals or if he makes a howler will he put himself under undue pressure when taking a free after that?
Will he be susceptible to a quick kickout after he takes a free? Also, will he need to dedicate a portion of his training to practicing free kicks as well as practicing kick out strategies as well as practicing shot stopping while other players are not nearly as busy.
Hogan is also in his first season and I think that Andy is being a bit unfair if he lumbers all of this on him. In my opinion its the managers duty to identify and develop the players and ensure that an unfair burden is not placed on one. This could backfire on him in the championship." Good points, a lot of pressure on young mans shoulders, focus should be on his primary duties. Six years to find a keeper and still no sign of outfield player who can be depended on to kick frees.
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What if he misses a real easy one - will that affect him in goals or if he makes a howler will he put himself under undue pressure when taking a free after that?
Will he be susceptible to a quick kickout after he takes a free? Also, will he need to dedicate a portion of his training to practicing free kicks as well as practicing kick out strategies as well as practicing shot stopping while other players are not nearly as busy.
Hogan is also in his first season and I think that Andy is being a bit unfair if he lumbers all of this on him. In my opinion its the managers duty to identify and develop the players and ensure that an unfair burden is not placed on one. This could backfire on him in the championship." Jesus wept, what absolute rubbish!! If hes the best free taker in the team, then hes the best free taker in the team, his position doesn't make any difference to that whatsoever. If he wasn't comfortable coming up to take the frees I'm sure he would say this to Andy and the duty would be passed on. Lads on here giving out the last 4-5 years about us not having a consistent free taker and now that we do, he's playing the wrong position to be taking them!! Plus the fact, he is only taking frees from roughly 30-35 meters out, anything inside is been taken by both Walsh and Morris.
There is absolutely zero problems with Hogan taking frees, and if he keeps up his current strike rate, then long may it continue
ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 31/03/2022 08:39:53
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Replying To ratlag: "Jesus wept, what absolute rubbish!! If hes the best free taker in the team, then hes the best free taker in the team, his position doesn't make any difference to that whatsoever. If he wasn't comfortable coming up to take the frees I'm sure he would say this to Andy and the duty would be passed on. Lads on here giving out the last 4-5 years about us not having a consistent free taker and now that we do, he's playing the wrong position to be taking them!! Plus the fact, he is only taking frees from roughly 30-35 meters out, anything inside is been taken by both Walsh and Morris.
There is absolutely zero problems with Hogan taking frees, and if he keeps up his current strike rate, then long may it continue" You'd have to laugh at it. For years we were giving out that we'd no keeper and no free taker and now we find a lad that can do both and it's a problem somehow
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 31/03/2022 09:25:09
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