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I read in the chronicle about the Club Leagues starting soon. It also says that there is to be no League for non first teams? So no B leagues for 3rd and 4th teams and no 2nd teams into the A leagues as was agreed as part of the 2019 restructuring proposal? So as it stands non first team players will get max 9 games a year but possibly only 7 and their championship will run from April to July. Seems to me like the 2nd team footballers after being shafted in 2019 by being removed from the proper championships and put into a load of mickey mouse premier championships are being now shafted again by the powers that be who are reneging on the only part of the restructuring proposal that was in any way good for the 2nd team player which was regular A league football. Why would you bother if you are a non first team player. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 20/01/2022 10:24:40 2395698 Link
They should just go back to the old format. B leagues and Junior B, C & D. Simple. The premiers are a dead end in my opinion. Don/Ash and Dunboyne should not have been taken out of the Intermediate championship either. BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 20/01/2022 11:14:18 2395709 Link
Replying To Blackspot09: "I read in the chronicle about the Club Leagues starting soon. It also says that there is to be no League for non first teams? So no B leagues for 3rd and 4th teams and no 2nd teams into the A leagues as was agreed as part of the 2019 restructuring proposal? So as it stands non first team players will get max 9 games a year but possibly only 7 and their championship will run from April to July. Seems to me like the 2nd team footballers after being shafted in 2019 by being removed from the proper championships and put into a load of mickey mouse premier championships are being now shafted again by the powers that be who are reneging on the only part of the restructuring proposal that was in any way good for the 2nd team player which was regular A league football. Why would you bother if you are a non first team player." I hope to God you've just had a late night a misread that because it makes absolutely no sense on any level to do that!! Why couldn't they have 2nd 3rd and 4th team league games? If its true there will be uproar, thats over half the county not getting to play games I'd say ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 20/01/2022 11:14:42 2395710 Link
Replying To ratlag: "I hope to God you've just had a late night a misread that because it makes absolutely no sense on any level to do that!! Why couldn't they have 2nd 3rd and 4th team league games? If its true there will be uproar, thats over half the county not getting to play games I'd say" https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2022/01/19/club-football-expected-to-start-in-early-february/ Waffling on about having a cup competition after the premier championships are finished. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 20/01/2022 11:32:48 2395714 Link
Replying To ratlag: "I hope to God you've just had a late night a misread that because it makes absolutely no sense on any level to do that!! Why couldn't they have 2nd 3rd and 4th team league games? If its true there will be uproar, thats over half the county not getting to play games I'd say" A work colleague of mine involved in Dunshaughlin has confirmed to me that this the plan. No leagues whatsoever for non first team players . Talk of a cup competition but sure that means they'd basically be playing 2 premier championships and having to play 1 of that joke of a competition is bad enough . Particularly disastrous for the 2nd team clubs who would have been competing in the A Leagues v First teams and getting proper competitive football. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 20/01/2022 11:46:00 2395719 Link
Replying To Blackspot09: "https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2022/01/19/club-football-expected-to-start-in-early-february/ Waffling on about having a cup competition after the premier championships are finished." Jesus Christ that is shocking!! Premier competitions are on a knife edge as it is, but another year of groups of 8 and only 2 coming out is pathetic. Run a normal league just like the first teams and then a normal 4 groups of 4 championships..........like the first teams. Who in the hell gets to vote this rubbish in??? Absolutely no care at all for anyone outside of first team players wit this format, and if they tried to run a second team cup competition AFTER a championship it would just be walk overs galore. Jesus this has rightly ruined my week ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 20/01/2022 11:58:26 2395720 Link
If that's the truth then that's a complete joke. The premier championship was sold to clubs on the basis that the A leagues would then be open ended and available to 2nd, 3rd, 4th team etc. I see absolutely no reason why there couldn't be extra divisions to accommodate this. Let's hope that it's a misunderstanding and that there's no B leagues but that 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams get to play in lower grades of the A leagues LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 20/01/2022 12:06:11 2395722 Link
Replying To ratlag: "Jesus Christ that is shocking!! Premier competitions are on a knife edge as it is, but another year of groups of 8 and only 2 coming out is pathetic. Run a normal league just like the first teams and then a normal 4 groups of 4 championships..........like the first teams. Who in the hell gets to vote this rubbish in??? Absolutely no care at all for anyone outside of first team players wit this format, and if they tried to run a second team cup competition AFTER a championship it would just be walk overs galore. Jesus this has rightly ruined my week" I would agree, only question would be would there be enough second teams to enter teams in like the league. But non first team players are getting absolutely disrespected here. Anybody in Meath who wants to play football and train should have a minimum of around 15 games. Totally agree with you, leagues should be ideally open to all teams from 1st to 4th and your placed in it based on merit. Maybe 12 in each division. And then afterwords have the championship split out into Senior, Inter, Junior A, B and then the premiers run along a similar stricture with groups of 4 or maybe if you have to go to 6 for some of the premiers. But what is proposed now is telling first teams players you deserve a cup, a league and a proper championship. And telling everybody else you only deserve 7 games and go away and stop annoying us LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 20/01/2022 13:01:13 2395735 Link
Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "I would agree, only question would be would there be enough second teams to enter teams in like the league. But non first team players are getting absolutely disrespected here. Anybody in Meath who wants to play football and train should have a minimum of around 15 games. Totally agree with you, leagues should be ideally open to all teams from 1st to 4th and your placed in it based on merit. Maybe 12 in each division. And then afterwords have the championship split out into Senior, Inter, Junior A, B and then the premiers run along a similar stricture with groups of 4 or maybe if you have to go to 6 for some of the premiers. But what is proposed now is telling first teams players you deserve a cup, a league and a proper championship. And telling everybody else you only deserve 7 games and go away and stop annoying us" Seems like the non first team players are to the Meath CB what the League of Ireland was to John Delaney. A problem child. Whats the point if your a non first team player if this goes ahead. As ratlag pointed the Premier Championship as a group of 8 is already noncompetitive and not even remotely close to proper championship. It's not even played in neutral venues its played on a home and away basis. if they take league football away from them a large cohort of players will probably walk away and go playing soccer and rugby . Maybe thats what the powers that be want. Weed out the non elite players who are just a pain in the backside to them. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 20/01/2022 13:17:36 2395736 Link
They cant be serious can they? What's their rationale for reducing the number of football games ? Like in my head there wasnt enough games anyway but i thought the new proposals were to increase the number of football games. Head scratching decision if it is true seasiderblues (Meath) - Posts: 352 - 20/01/2022 13:59:42 2395746 Link
a lot of second and third team players will be very disappointed with no football till around april and probably wont bother training if their are no games . This will have an effect on 1st team training in most clubs as they depend on numbers for training sessions . It could lead to a lot of younger 2nd team players not bothering with GAA and probably find other sports to play Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 20/01/2022 14:02:01 2395749 Link
Replying To Blackspot09: "Seems like the non first team players are to the Meath CB what the League of Ireland was to John Delaney. A problem child. Whats the point if your a non first team player if this goes ahead. As ratlag pointed the Premier Championship as a group of 8 is already noncompetitive and not even remotely close to proper championship. It's not even played in neutral venues its played on a home and away basis. if they take league football away from them a large cohort of players will probably walk away and go playing soccer and rugby . Maybe thats what the powers that be want. Weed out the non elite players who are just a pain in the backside to them." The fixture planner is far from perfect and it appears to neglect 2nd, 3rd & 4th team players in relation to the amount of games. But on the other side if you are a handy enough young club football player you could end up playing over 30 games in a year and play all 12 months of the year in the split season setup without playing inter county. So if you are a 19 year old player and your club advanced to semi's you could be playing up to 32 games, if you were a dual player you could end up playing 50 games. Month Competition Games Jan. College 2 Feb. Club /Feis Cup. 4 Mar. Club/League. 2 April. Club/League 2 May. Club/League. 4 June. Club/League 2 July. Club/Championship 2 Aug. Club/Championship 2 Sept. Club/Championship 2 Oct. Club Champ/U20 4 Nov. Club U20 Champ 4 Dec. College pre season 2 Total 32 Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 20/01/2022 14:38:32 2395758 Link
Replying To Meathball: "The fixture planner is far from perfect and it appears to neglect 2nd, 3rd & 4th team players in relation to the amount of games. But on the other side if you are a handy enough young club football player you could end up playing over 30 games in a year and play all 12 months of the year in the split season setup without playing inter county. So if you are a 19 year old player and your club advanced to semi's you could be playing up to 32 games, if you were a dual player you could end up playing 50 games. Month Competition Games Jan. College 2 Feb. Club /Feis Cup. 4 Mar. Club/League. 2 April. Club/League 2 May. Club/League. 4 June. Club/League 2 July. Club/Championship 2 Aug. Club/Championship 2 Sept. Club/Championship 2 Oct. Club Champ/U20 4 Nov. Club U20 Champ 4 Dec. College pre season 2 Total 32" I would imagine the majority of non first team players are over the age of 19 so College pre season college Club u20 does not apply to them. The fixture planner is not the issue or at least not the main issue . Shafting non first team players by not giving them league football therefore consigning them to a measly 7/9 competitive per year is the issue . Not to mention the fact that it was part of the restructuring deal that reserve teams were to go into the A Leagues . This was down in writing so the powers that be are reneging on this agreement . Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 20/01/2022 15:34:28 2395762 Link
No league for non 1st footballers is a total joke. I'm not anti or a hurling v football person but the hurling leagues will contain 2nd and 3rd grade teams. Seems an unlevel playing field to me. Clubs have final say and should block this ridiculous decision Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 20/01/2022 18:17:42 2395790 Link
From what I'm hearing that planner was for discussion and the club got they say and its now been reviewed by the ccc with the 2nd teams now going into A leagues but this has not come back to the clubs yet royal1967 (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 20/01/2022 18:20:13 2395791 Link
This is total madness, B Leagues should be reinstated to at least give 2nd/3rd players games. Every Gaelic Games player should have a League and a Championship to play in. Bit odd that a 2nd team footballer in Meath can look forward to 1 competition with maybe 7 games at best. While a 2nd team Hurler has 3 competitions and twice as many games ..... 5 Championship, 7 League games and possibility another 3 Cup games ????? I dunno am I missing something glenny (Meath) - Posts: 1115 - 20/01/2022 19:02:40 2395800 Link
Replying To royal1967: "From what I'm hearing that planner was for discussion and the club got they say and its now been reviewed by the ccc with the 2nd teams now going into A leagues but this has not come back to the clubs yet" From what I heard last night there was a meeting on Friday but rather than ask the clubs for their input the clubs were told this is what's happening no discussion. Only for a number clubs objected vigorously against this the CCC would have went ahead with it. From what I'm hearing now there's a counter proposal gone in from some clubs which has leagues for all non first team players. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 21/01/2022 09:55:05 2395826 Link
It can't work out at all. If the 2nd team championships run at the proposed times of April - July it would be at the same time as A league games. Clubs name 15 players at the start of the year (namely any County players and the best of the rest) and everyone else is eligible for B championship. So how will first teams even field a league team when say teams like Ratoath or Dunboyne who have 3-4 players in the county set up from their named 15, if the rest of the players all have a championship game the same day/weekend? It will have to be scrapped ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 21/01/2022 10:00:46 2395827 Link
Replying To glenny: "This is total madness, B Leagues should be reinstated to at least give 2nd/3rd players games. Every Gaelic Games player should have a League and a Championship to play in. Bit odd that a 2nd team footballer in Meath can look forward to 1 competition with maybe 7 games at best. While a 2nd team Hurler has 3 competitions and twice as many games ..... 5 Championship, 7 League games and possibility another 3 Cup games ????? I dunno am I missing something" You're missing nothing in my opinion. That's exactly how I see it. Seems like there's pro hurling agenda. No danger of the non first team hurlers being shafted like this Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 21/01/2022 10:03:06 2395828 Link
The strangest thing to me about this is that while the negatives are pretty obvious, I can't see who benefits from the proposal. What was so difficult about playing a B league like we have for years? The only possible group I see benefiting are intermediate or junior clubs with a 2nd team. This is for 2 reasons; 1. Now that the Premier grade is being played before the 1st team championship, they'll get to field a strong team with several first team players for the entire group stage as opposed to the 3 rounds they could do this last year. 2. Second teams from a Junior club will have an advantage over 3rd teams from Senior clubs. The Junior club only has to name 8 ineligible players, whereas the senior club's 3rd team will be unable to play the 13 players on their first team in addition to the 18-20 players ruled out by playing on their 2nd team. Now I know a bit of help towards the smaller team may be needed, but that's a bit harshly stacked in their favour in my view. On the other hand I find it hard to believe any club would be that desperate for a junior football title that they'd be willing and able to force through such a major change to the organisation of football in Meath. So we're back to square one of it being a terrible plan, and I've no idea who is supposed to benefit! CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1664 - 21/01/2022 10:25:58 2395830 Link