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Anyone know is the structure of the championship the same next year regarding the relegation ? As in bottom 2 teams go into relegation, rumours that its going back to bottom team.

Would like us to introduce a new format also in the group stages, e.g. semi finalists in one pot, quarter finalists in second pot, winners of relegation quarters in pot 3 and semi finalists along with intermediate champs in pot 4.

Open draw is resulting in a false championship IMO.

e.g. We could end up with Dunboyne, Ratoath, Simonstown & Kells in a group together.

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1047 - 21/11/2021 16:05:53    2390176

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Replying To thelutch:  "Anyone know is the structure of the championship the same next year regarding the relegation ? As in bottom 2 teams go into relegation, rumours that its going back to bottom team.

Would like us to introduce a new format also in the group stages, e.g. semi finalists in one pot, quarter finalists in second pot, winners of relegation quarters in pot 3 and semi finalists along with intermediate champs in pot 4.

Open draw is resulting in a false championship IMO.

e.g. We could end up with Dunboyne, Ratoath, Simonstown & Kells in a group together."
Good point regarding seeding of teams for the groups.

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 321 - 22/11/2021 10:30:11    2390273

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "Good point regarding seeding of teams for the groups."
I agree

Should be seeded.

4 semi finalists from the previous year the 4 top seeds

4 1/4 finalists from the previous year the 2nd seeds

Then the remaining 8 teams open draw .

Would make for a better championship .

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 22/11/2021 11:36:32    2390287

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "Good point regarding seeding of teams for the groups."
Seeding should definitely happen. From what I thought that was to happen for the 2020 championship before covid effected everything. It makes sense to seed groups as some groups can be lopsided. Also it would be a good idea to do away with the bottom two in each group going into the relegation play off. Only the bottom team should go into relegation. If someone can explain to me how this year it was fair for Skryne to lose one group game and end up in the relegation play off, while Don/Ash lose two group games and end up in the quarter finals. In total Skryne won two games, drew one and lost one and were in the relegation play offs, while Don/Ash won two game, lost three and ended up in the semi final of the championship! That's no a fair competition in my mind. And also the argument being put forward by some in favor of having the third placed teams going into the relegation play offs is that it ensures no dead rubbers in the last round is a non runner of an argument, as the vast majority of round four this games this year were dead rubbers. It just unnecessarily drags the season out for teams, also having a one month break this year between last group games and the knockout stages cant happen next year. More focus needs to be put on making the A Leagues more competitive having county players playing in more of those games. What is killing the standard of the A Leagues is that teams are missing to many of their top players for vast majority of the competition.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 22/11/2021 12:04:09    2390295

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "I agree

Should be seeded.

4 semi finalists from the previous year the 4 top seeds

4 1/4 finalists from the previous year the 2nd seeds

Then the remaining 8 teams open draw .

Would make for a better championship ."
Makes sense -

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 22/11/2021 12:05:34    2390296

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Seeding should definitely happen. From what I thought that was to happen for the 2020 championship before covid effected everything. It makes sense to seed groups as some groups can be lopsided. Also it would be a good idea to do away with the bottom two in each group going into the relegation play off. Only the bottom team should go into relegation. If someone can explain to me how this year it was fair for Skryne to lose one group game and end up in the relegation play off, while Don/Ash lose two group games and end up in the quarter finals. In total Skryne won two games, drew one and lost one and were in the relegation play offs, while Don/Ash won two game, lost three and ended up in the semi final of the championship! That's no a fair competition in my mind. And also the argument being put forward by some in favor of having the third placed teams going into the relegation play offs is that it ensures no dead rubbers in the last round is a non runner of an argument, as the vast majority of round four this games this year were dead rubbers. It just unnecessarily drags the season out for teams, also having a one month break this year between last group games and the knockout stages cant happen next year. More focus needs to be put on making the A Leagues more competitive having county players playing in more of those games. What is killing the standard of the A Leagues is that teams are missing to many of their top players for vast majority of the competition."
Agree re relegation. The 4 bottom teams going into 2 Semi Finals and then the 2 losers in to the final is more than sufficient. Really no need for 1/4 Finals. Actually agree with all of your post. Very well put.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 22/11/2021 12:28:47    2390302

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Seeding should definitely happen. From what I thought that was to happen for the 2020 championship before covid effected everything. It makes sense to seed groups as some groups can be lopsided. Also it would be a good idea to do away with the bottom two in each group going into the relegation play off. Only the bottom team should go into relegation. If someone can explain to me how this year it was fair for Skryne to lose one group game and end up in the relegation play off, while Don/Ash lose two group games and end up in the quarter finals. In total Skryne won two games, drew one and lost one and were in the relegation play offs, while Don/Ash won two game, lost three and ended up in the semi final of the championship! That's no a fair competition in my mind. And also the argument being put forward by some in favor of having the third placed teams going into the relegation play offs is that it ensures no dead rubbers in the last round is a non runner of an argument, as the vast majority of round four this games this year were dead rubbers. It just unnecessarily drags the season out for teams, also having a one month break this year between last group games and the knockout stages cant happen next year. More focus needs to be put on making the A Leagues more competitive having county players playing in more of those games. What is killing the standard of the A Leagues is that teams are missing to many of their top players for vast majority of the competition."
what is amazing here Guys , is the fact that the has been more practical sense & solutions offered up over the course of these recent Posts than the whole bloody strategic review that was carried out By the CB

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 384 - 22/11/2021 13:07:10    2390313

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "Makes sense -"
Review committee did propose seeding but Clubs where against it for some reason.
Definitely should be seeded and open draw for quarter finals

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 22/11/2021 13:37:05    2390317

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Replying To Brownepat:  "Review committee did propose seeding but Clubs where against it for some reason.
Definitely should be seeded and open draw for quarter finals"
Some clubs were probably against it because they could either (a) get an easy group to avoid relegation or (b) get an easy group to get into the knock out stage. Clubs operate in their own self interest and are almost looking for cheat codes to muddle there way through competitions rather than just improve their own standards.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 22/11/2021 13:59:31    2390323

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Replying To Brownepat:  "Review committee did propose seeding but Clubs where against it for some reason.
Definitely should be seeded and open draw for quarter finals"
but sure that proves the exact point....bloody thing is far too democratic...how in gods name would we ever get 100% agreement ....too many agendas....

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 384 - 22/11/2021 14:22:28    2390328

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An even fairer way of running the championship would be to have a straight knock out championship. Tyrone seems to be the perfect example of it, and as a result they are producing top quality club players capable of stepping up to county football. On the current amount of teams in the Meath Senior championship, everyone would guaranteed at least two cut throat championship matches. Round one winners into quarter finals, round one losers into relegation quarter finals. No complaining from anyone about teams getting easy groups etc. To many teams in the Meath Senior Championship appear to be able to sleep walk their way to a Semi Final/Final (Ratoath/Dunboyne/Ashbourne) without having to play at the top of their game. Dunboyne got caught this year in the final but Ratoath in 2020 didn't play well in any of their games and still won it. They got to a semi final this year, playing terribly, played terribly in the semi final and yet still could have won it. For this to work however, the league would need to be improved hugely.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 22/11/2021 14:54:58    2390335

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "I'd disagree with a few places there. Trim way to high up the list for a team who just got promoted. I'd rank Moynalvey and St Colmcilles ahead of them. Very generous to have Kells number two as well. Top eight i'd pick based on strength of squads and recent form would be:

1. Ratoath
2. Dunboyne
3. Wolfe Tones
4. Don/Ash
5. Kells
6. Summerhill
7. Simonstown Gaels
8. Na Fianna

Most people would agree that Dunboyne and Ratoath have a stronger team than wolfe tones but on the day Wolfe Tones definitely deserved to beat the two of them, but if i was to rank them in terms of who has the better team Ratoath and Dunboyne do have better teams. Wolfe Tones out worked them. Ratoath and Dunboyne were also seriously hit with injuries against Tones. Ratoath were down three Meath senior starters against tones, as well as a few other players, and Cathal Finn and Ronan Jones were also seriously impacted with injuries in the final."
Big Joe I Beg you start watching club football in Meath before taking pure non facts on forums please pure Recency bias on your behalf

Meath32245 (Meath) - Posts: 75 - 22/11/2021 15:03:03    2390339

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Kells in second spot...... you're having a laugh."
Your having a laugh if there not 2nd there 3rd get a grip start watching games you clown south Meath bias and Kells hate group again dont have a clue about Meath Club football honest to god

Meath32245 (Meath) - Posts: 75 - 22/11/2021 15:05:15    2390342

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Replying To Meath32245:  "Your having a laugh if there not 2nd there 3rd get a grip start watching games you clown south Meath bias and Kells hate group again dont have a clue about Meath Club football honest to god"
Nothing to do with South Meath bias or hatred for Kells. Just my opinion .

With all players fit and available I would have it as follows

1 Ratoath
2 Dunboyne
3 Tones
4 Kells

The 3 above definitely have more talented squads on paper when everyone is available.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 22/11/2021 15:40:30    2390350

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Nothing to do with South Meath bias or hatred for Kells. Just my opinion .

With all players fit and available I would have it as follows

1 Ratoath
2 Dunboyne
3 Tones
4 Kells

The 3 above definitely have more talented squads on paper when everyone is available."
Tones definitely do not

Meath32245 (Meath) - Posts: 75 - 22/11/2021 16:12:53    2390356

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Replying To Meath32245:  "Tones definitely do not"
Your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 22/11/2021 16:42:31    2390363

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Any club appointments yet for all those available senior management positions?

gaeldundalk (Louth) - Posts: 10 - 23/11/2021 13:42:21    2390450

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Replying To gaeldundalk:  "Any club appointments yet for all those available senior management positions?"
Brian Farrell confirmed gone from Ratoath!

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 24/11/2021 11:02:36    2390557

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Replying To ASaminthehand:  "Brian Farrell confirmed gone from Ratoath!"
Surprised at this, considering he won the championship in his first year, and lost a semi final this year with three County players injured.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 24/11/2021 11:47:22    2390569

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Surprised at this, considering he won the championship in his first year, and lost a semi final this year with three County players injured."
i think there has been a gradual decline in Ratoath since the peak in 2019. In that glorious championship year they played the attack minded football everybody wants to see (and take part in). In 2021 there was a lot of sideways passing which played into Wolfe Tones hands in the semi final i.e allowed Wolfe Tones to get men back etc. Wolfe Tones are deserving Champions and will be the team to beat in 2022. It will be interesting to see who gets the Ratoath job for 2022. It will be interesting to see how Skryne progress with their new management team. They have a good mix of youth, experience, tradition and a proven Management team.

iceland123 (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 28/11/2021 10:49:58    2391019

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