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Brian please don't contradict unless you know you are correct, 59 club Delegates had the eligibility to vote, Another 17 County Board officers also had eligibility to vote. Martin Blake one of the 8 officers who voted against Andy in the original 8 to 7 executive vote was the only one of the 8 to speak on the night to support their own proposal to remove Andy (and Martin like all of the executive voted again on the night). So Brian no matter what way you do the sums less than one sixth of the football clubs Voted with the County Board. Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 16/10/2021 13:19:08 2385824 Link 2 |
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That's been my point all along. What was the point? To embarrass him? To fulfill a vendetta by someone else ? But the upshot of it all was embarrassing the county after such a feel good couple of months. They clearly knew (or should have known) that Andy had the overwhelming backing of the clubs. That's why I think they should have given details for their votes. Look it's over and done with now. But it has again put Meath football in a negative light. After all the good will we were receiving. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/10/2021 09:02:49 2385881 Link 1 |
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My view was that there were 74 clubs in the county. I stand corrected. However you can shove your 1/6th of football clubs. Its an absolute moot point you're trying to make by again massaging figures to suit your narrative. 17 clubs in Meath (it doesn't matter what type of club they are) voted against him. Is there a county board and hurling clubs vendetta now to get rid of him??? Christ some people will scrap any barrel they can. Every club in this county matters. I don't care if they're playing rounders their voice is as important as they supposed "Football clubs". Its no wonder we're a laughing stock with attitudes like this. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 18/10/2021 08:49:26 2385995 Link 11 |
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A lot of people getting a bit over excited about this, it is a democracy we operate in, people/clubs are all entitled to their opinions and that should be respected. The vote went the way in the end that i would have agreed with but i don't see why it shouldn't have been debated, nodding dogs or yes men are not good for any organisation. All this name and shame stuff is nonsense. Regardless who is in charge we should all be getting behind them for the good of Meath football Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1489 - 18/10/2021 09:07:15 2385999 Link 21 |
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Hi lets stop this witch-hunting , maybe we should all be informed on what the information was that was brought back to the Executive by the football review committee. There must have been something there to make the 8 members vote against ratifying Andy for his final year in this term. It never happened before .... As far as I am aware , the Chair and others included put in a sub committee to review Andy's progress this year to look at the pro's and cons of the situation and to report back to the executive so that an informed decision on ratification for the final year could be made , it has happened most years during his term . Others ask why it took so long for the decisions to be made . Did they ask why was it delayed ? . If the review committee were put in place in time what was in the process that delayed it. Did the review committee delay it by not releasing their report in a timely manner . It thats the case then the bluster about Meath GAA getting more efficient and professional with the Football Review committee / and business inputs/connections in place is just that.If it was delayed because it wasn't chased then that's the Chairs issue . It's very convenient of the Chair not to release the findings of the review committee to the County Committee and delegates , but if it was these findings that persuaded the 8 to vote against Andy then knowing what these findings were is very important to the whole affair. Not divulging these details thus makes the County committee decision a bit more of a personal thing than an informed decision. A vote by the County Committee is required under our rules , but to make a decision based on all the details is always better . Chaisleain_Abu (Meath) - Posts: 220 - 18/10/2021 11:04:43 2386028 Link 10 |
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there is a way of going about functions & decisions that are of a Public interest that can send a very positive vibe & message about the state of an Organisation ...or not. Smart organisations, are acutely aware of how something can be misconstrued or manipulated within in the media or by the public at large. What cute savvy County Boards have learned is to ensure that The Process is seen to be independent & free of bias or personal agenda . Dublin tend to give responsibility to full time executives , and ensure when they do set up sub committees...they people them with real quality , That way, the CB can then "back" recommendations as opposed to rehashing or redebating them , ensuring that they look organised , together & cohesive Some people are correctly , calling out some of the over the top comments in relation to the 8 that voted against the reappointment …..the 8 are not at fault, . Whats at fault is bad leadership that allows such a vote to happen in the first place ….. What the public at large "hears" ...and what the media will jump upon ,when the opportunity presents itself is Andy Mac and his management team....have only the slightest of margins of backing by his own county Board That "fact" ...becomes the reality Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 18/10/2021 13:13:14 2386069 Link 5 |
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Do you have these details , and if so where did you get them Royal Dunne
Chaisleain_Abu (Meath) - Posts: 220 - 18/10/2021 14:47:41 2386094 Link 5 |
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We need to drastically change the way we do our business in regards to appointment of management teams head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 513 - 18/10/2021 15:12:16 2386098 Link 3 |
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Brian I am not going to continue to argue this point any longer, I only wanted to put the record straight when you claimed wrongly "27 clubs voted against Andy" No matter what side of the fence people are on, the numbers don't lie. I never claimed there was a hurling vendetta against Andy, but I understand why hurling clubs would get hard to support Andy after Gerry's comments on burning hurley's. Everything I stated in relation to the overwhelming support of the clubs were truthful facts and cannot be denied, including of the 73 votes, only 59 of those were from clubs. Truthfully I think most people are embarrassed and sick of the whole mess we got ourselves into over trying to remove Andy and feel there are much more pressing issues to be dealt with. Of course it is true Andy has slightly less than 50% of the County Board executive supporting him but you would imagine given the overwhelming support he got from the clubs, if anyone was to step down it should be the 8 who do not support him as they appear to be out of touch with the clubs. I think either way we have to move on and if they don't step down, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 18/10/2021 16:26:07 2386112 Link 2 |
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Lmfm. And was mentioned at the meeting. Did you actually not know this ???
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/10/2021 20:56:38 2386166 Link 0 |
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Out of step with the clubs indeed and by along way
head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 513 - 18/10/2021 21:19:51 2386168 Link 0 |
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If someone wanted a clear answer on what the vote was they would not get it here. Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 549 - 19/10/2021 11:22:01 2386222 Link 1 |
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Once again you missed the point. I said i stood corrected on the club numbers. You then went on a diatribe about only a certain number of football only clubs voted to remove Andy to justify his retention. I merely made the point, they are all clubs in Meath, they are entitled to an opinion, same as you and I are. He didn't have the overwhelming support you claim Total poll 74 Exectuive 15 To retain 7 To remove 8 Clubs 59 To Retain 39 To Remove 19 - of which you claimed most are hurling clubs.... Spoiled 1 If that's overwhelming then I need a new dictionary. As for your talk of people stepping down, get real. They were presented with the findings of a committee (which had its faults and was way too late in providing its report) and made a decision accordingly. They might not have been right but they made their choice. Your calling for their heads and for them to step down is frankly embarrassing. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 19/10/2021 13:14:45 2386246 Link 9 |
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It really is time this was put to bed, my one comment is that while I did not agree with the executive vote, I 100% respect their entitlement to vote whichever way the chose having been presented with the review. They were elected by the club reps and that is their job. It is frankly distasteful some of the name them/shame them rhetoric come from a couple of posters. The problem was in how long it took for review to take place, the chairman surely should have had a better handle on this. Let's face it, the whole truth of the matter is that most clubs did not see a viable alternative to current management at this time and that is the main reason Andy McEntee is continuing in the job, the results during the year absolutely merited a review. Like all the gaa dogs in the street, I'm fairly sure I can name those 8 people who voted in favour of a change and to those and the other 7, fair play to them all!! I for sure wouldn't do to have some of the crap thrown at them. Yes of course they must be answerable, that's what agms are for!!!
Footnote (Meath) - Posts: 66 - 19/10/2021 15:43:22 2386283 Link 5 |
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How can you say that most clubs did not see a viable option to current management at this time and this is why the overwhelming majority voted for him to stay You are completely surmising and putting forward something you gave no clue of I'm my view the clubs voted to keep him based on the good performance last year and also to give the two fingers to the people that voted against him without considering the alternatives head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 513 - 19/10/2021 18:48:17 2386342 Link 4 |
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I think tbf, there was no other option presented and i think most clubs like us supporters didn't fancy having to get a new manager in October/ November Good performance... what good performance Barely beat Westmeath at home Beat Down at a neutral venue who were relegated Hammered by Mayo's second string team Lost v Kildare in a s**t show of a performance Beat an extremely poor Longford who i admit i gave way too much credit too Beaten by a dublin team who were barely interested in the game Our stated aim was get back to division 1, it wasn't achieved. P6 Won 3 Lost 3 A lot of people are basing the season on the second half v Dublin where we roared back into the game but lets not forget we were 11 points behind at the break, and still lost by 6 points in the end and couldn't get the ball back in the last 10 minutes when Dublin decided to engage first gear again. And aren't you contradicting yourself there with your point that county board didn't consider alternatives. is that not what the OP said? No alternative to Andy was provided so the clubs voted as such. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 20/10/2021 10:06:34 2386368 Link 10 |
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Not sure myself as to what viable option is meant to mean. Then again there doesn't appear to be a queue of people willing to do the job. Would also like to know what "good performance" your referring to. In the 2 games that really counted, 1st vs Kildare for a place in D1, we were brutal, Kildare were marginally less brutal. In the 2nd against the Dubs, we were hosed by halftime and couldn't make up the difference. Made a very good go of it in the 2nd half and that was due to the subs, make you wonder as to the starting 15 selection. Just because the lads made a comeback doesn't make it a good performance, would have preferred to have been in it at half time with some hope of a victory.
moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 485 - 20/10/2021 10:13:49 2386372 Link 4 |
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What ever the reason clubs voted to retain management, I doubt it had anything to do with good performance last year, if vote was based on team progression then it would be difficult to imagine same outcome. Another average year, failed to get promoted, we will never get a chance like that again, knocked out of Leinster in semi final, many seemed content we only lost by six points to Dublin and dogged by the same failings of previous years. If last year can be considered a sucess then expectations for Meath football has hit rock bottom.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 20/10/2021 12:12:58 2386406 Link 10 |
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You mentioned that mayo had a second string team. But failed to mention that Meath had also a second string team. I don't think it was a good year. But to use one team v another to score a point is wrong
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/10/2021 13:08:44 2386425 Link 0 |
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Last year wasn't a success, we failed to hit what should have been our objective of div one. That been said we are in a thousand times better situation than we were when Andy took over. That cannot be denied.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/10/2021 14:21:42 2386440 Link 0 |