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Last nights meeting was an embarrassment.
Regardless of the manager there should have been a proper professional process to review how the team/he performed in the previous year. Any review like this should have had commentary, observations or recommendations but there was nothing of any type. There are speculations re 24/38 players supporting him or adverse opinion to be drawn from no response. If it was a proper report there would be no need for speculation. The explanation given was the need for anonymity. Any report could have been designed to anonymize the participants but to reflect a trend or opinion but where it is (allegedly) the reason for 8 people to vote to remove a manager it should have been in a format to be given to the floor to understand what ,if any, caused them to vote in the way they did. The reality was that the report was a shambles, the timing of the meeting was too late to allow for nothing other than Andy to carry on, it was a bumbling attempt at a coup that showed no foresight or competence, the hottest debate was whether it should be a secret ballot even though all club delegates would/should have been mandated with no personal blame landing on any delegate. It was also completely forgotten that it was the first meeting since about April even though the U-20s debacle occurred since then and which reflected well on nobody including Andy, the CB or B Flynn and a more cynical mind would think it was a case of 'move on nothing to see here' and everyone will forget it. Meanwhile the PT white elephant trundles along in ever decreasing circles.
A year where our minors and Girls won All Irelands should be great cause for celebration and hope however the Main Event still leaves a lot to be desired and not improving based on last nights showing.

ABK67 (Meath) - Posts: 62 - 13/10/2021 16:23:30    2385556

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Replying To ABK67:  "Last nights meeting was an embarrassment.
Regardless of the manager there should have been a proper professional process to review how the team/he performed in the previous year. Any review like this should have had commentary, observations or recommendations but there was nothing of any type. There are speculations re 24/38 players supporting him or adverse opinion to be drawn from no response. If it was a proper report there would be no need for speculation. The explanation given was the need for anonymity. Any report could have been designed to anonymize the participants but to reflect a trend or opinion but where it is (allegedly) the reason for 8 people to vote to remove a manager it should have been in a format to be given to the floor to understand what ,if any, caused them to vote in the way they did. The reality was that the report was a shambles, the timing of the meeting was too late to allow for nothing other than Andy to carry on, it was a bumbling attempt at a coup that showed no foresight or competence, the hottest debate was whether it should be a secret ballot even though all club delegates would/should have been mandated with no personal blame landing on any delegate. It was also completely forgotten that it was the first meeting since about April even though the U-20s debacle occurred since then and which reflected well on nobody including Andy, the CB or B Flynn and a more cynical mind would think it was a case of 'move on nothing to see here' and everyone will forget it. Meanwhile the PT white elephant trundles along in ever decreasing circles.
A year where our minors and Girls won All Irelands should be great cause for celebration and hope however the Main Event still leaves a lot to be desired and not improving based on last nights showing."
Indeed it was, Chairman reporting that up until six weeks ago nobody had looked for a review, admitting that maybe he should have acted faster in having review carried out, but he didn,t expect to be at this juncture as his own opinion was manager should be given another year, so it was a case of carry on, rubber stamp, nothing to see here. Surely a yearly review, carried out in a professionan and timely manner should be a given? Some delegates asked what are we voting on,?Can we see review before making a decision? well no its secret. Yet happy to let it be known that 38 of panel had been given questionaire to which only 24 replied, why the low response? The 24 did not want to get rid of manager, more important what if any issues did they raise? More questions than answers.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 13/10/2021 18:00:24    2385566

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Who are Andy's selectors for the coming year? At this stage you would expect that to be tied down.

Good to see a new highly rated coach coming in with Weir and the hurlers.

stillaroyal (Meath) - Posts: 225 - 13/10/2021 18:06:31    2385568

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Replying To latouche25:  "BTW you have no proof of that as the review is secret. Don't be reposting what someone else on here has said as fact."
Lmfm survey. Please at least try to keep up

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/10/2021 20:38:29    2385585

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Replying To royaldunne:  "They are cowards. And I'll gladly call it to any of their faces."
Once again would you stop. Cowards? Maybe the executive wanted their vote to remain anonymous so they wouldn't have to deal with people like you calling them cowards on the street. Volunteers who give their time for nothing expressing their own opinion. Fair play to them. My club voted to keep him (6-3) so I was happy, but if they voted no I'd have no problem, because that's how voting works.

VernonSmith (Meath) - Posts: 112 - 14/10/2021 08:46:27    2385592

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Replying To stillaroyal:  "Who are Andy's selectors for the coming year? At this stage you would expect that to be tied down.

Good to see a new highly rated coach coming in with Weir and the hurlers."
Paul Nestor, Colm Nally, Marcus Brennan and John McCloskey who was involved with Armagh when they won A/I, also involved with RU side Wasps in UK. Was very highly regarded in GAA circles, don,t know if he has recent history as football coach, but sounds like a man who could add to current setup. Very positive news for hurlers.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 14/10/2021 11:02:12    2385606

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Lmfm survey. Please at least try to keep up"
He's gone very quiet now since he's realized the players questionnaire info was all over the media yesterday and that you weren't just making it up. No player stated the wanted Andy gone. FACT!!!!

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 14/10/2021 11:28:20    2385611

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Replying To VernonSmith:  "Once again would you stop. Cowards? Maybe the executive wanted their vote to remain anonymous so they wouldn't have to deal with people like you calling them cowards on the street. Volunteers who give their time for nothing expressing their own opinion. Fair play to them. My club voted to keep him (6-3) so I was happy, but if they voted no I'd have no problem, because that's how voting works."
I agree 100% . I did not agree at all with the 8 members who voted to remove him but as I said in an earlier post if we are using this democratic system well then we must be prepared to accept every ones vote whatever way the vote and regardless if you agree with it or not. These people should not be labelled cowards or be subject to any form of abuse. In fact in a strange way despite not agreeing with their vote I would see them as brave not cowardly . The easier option for them would have been to just vote for him to get 1 more year and save all this hassle and scrutiny and abuse that they are receiving so even though I disagree with them I say fair play to them for having the courage to do what they felt was right for the county knowing full well the criticism they would be in for and not being yes men. Having yes men on County Boards or Committees is not productive at all.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 14/10/2021 11:40:21    2385616

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "I agree 100% . I did not agree at all with the 8 members who voted to remove him but as I said in an earlier post if we are using this democratic system well then we must be prepared to accept every ones vote whatever way the vote and regardless if you agree with it or not. These people should not be labelled cowards or be subject to any form of abuse. In fact in a strange way despite not agreeing with their vote I would see them as brave not cowardly . The easier option for them would have been to just vote for him to get 1 more year and save all this hassle and scrutiny and abuse that they are receiving so even though I disagree with them I say fair play to them for having the courage to do what they felt was right for the county knowing full well the criticism they would be in for and not being yes men. Having yes men on County Boards or Committees is not productive at all."
Well said, vote over move on 8 brave men or women.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 14/10/2021 14:22:24    2385641

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "He's gone very quiet now since he's realized the players questionnaire info was all over the media yesterday and that you weren't just making it up. No player stated the wanted Andy gone. FACT!!!!"
14 of the 38 didn't respond. I wonder why that was? These surveys are about as secret as Santa.. Those 14 were also likely fringe panel member who might or might not have been retained so it all amounts to a hill of nothing.
The vote has been cast lets move on and get going for 2022.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 14/10/2021 16:01:35    2385654

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What was the vote at the clubs meeting?

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 549 - 14/10/2021 16:18:54    2385658

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "He's gone very quiet now since he's realized the players questionnaire info was all over the media yesterday and that you weren't just making it up. No player stated the wanted Andy gone. FACT!!!!"
Exactly

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/10/2021 16:22:53    2385659

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Replying To latouche25:  "Well said, vote over move on 8 brave men or women."
Without explanation for their vote ? In OCTOBER, with no replacement in mind. Brave ? Or stupid?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/10/2021 16:24:13    2385660

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Without explanation for their vote ? In OCTOBER, with no replacement in mind. Brave ? Or stupid?"
I'm sure they explained why they wanted him gone at the executive meeting. They don't have to state that publicly. The same at clubs meetings - what happens at an executive meeting isn't for public airing.

VernonSmith (Meath) - Posts: 112 - 14/10/2021 16:40:04    2385662

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Replying To Ashrules:  "What was the vote at the clubs meeting?"
46 or 48 to keep andy
27 to remove him
1 spoiled vote

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 14/10/2021 17:11:51    2385671

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Exactly"
Was that question part of the questionnaire, if it was fair enough, if it wasn't then how could they answer it. From what I'm hearing it consists of 8 questions, with them to tick a box to rate him from 1 to 5. Not much of a questionnaire if that's the case. Anyway it's time to move on and prepare for next year.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 15/10/2021 12:50:56    2385746

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Replying To brian:  "46 or 48 to keep andy
27 to remove him
1 spoiled vote"
The reality is that the faction of the County Board executive who launched the campaign to get rid of Andy McEntee only got support from about 10 or less football clubs. Of the 27 votes to get rid of Andy, eight were from the executive that started the failed coup, bringing it to down to 19, and then you have the hurling only clubs who had vowed not to support Andy after Gerry McEntee's comment that "All the hurleys in Meath should be burned". It leaves at the very most 10 Football or mixed clubs who went against Andy. So a comment made on here that one third of clubs voted against Andy is totally wrong misleading.
What a masterclass in incompetence and horrendously poor vision by the 8 members of the executive leaving an embarrassingly big stain on their bibs after all the good news in the previous few weeks in relation to the County underage structures and new sponsors, Like what were they thinking ? One can only imagine what Noel & Valerie Moran our new sponsors thought of the carry on.
We are so lucky to have such wonderful sponsors like the Morans (Bective Stud) and the Brennan's (Devenish).

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 15/10/2021 16:22:01    2385770

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Replying To brian:  "46 or 48 to keep andy
27 to remove him
1 spoiled vote"
Might be the other way around. He needed a third of the votes. Getting 27 votes is not easy so well done.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 549 - 15/10/2021 16:31:28    2385772

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Replying To Meathball:  "The reality is that the faction of the County Board executive who launched the campaign to get rid of Andy McEntee only got support from about 10 or less football clubs. Of the 27 votes to get rid of Andy, eight were from the executive that started the failed coup, bringing it to down to 19, and then you have the hurling only clubs who had vowed not to support Andy after Gerry McEntee's comment that "All the hurleys in Meath should be burned". It leaves at the very most 10 Football or mixed clubs who went against Andy. So a comment made on here that one third of clubs voted against Andy is totally wrong misleading.
What a masterclass in incompetence and horrendously poor vision by the 8 members of the executive leaving an embarrassingly big stain on their bibs after all the good news in the previous few weeks in relation to the County underage structures and new sponsors, Like what were they thinking ? One can only imagine what Noel & Valerie Moran our new sponsors thought of the carry on.
We are so lucky to have such wonderful sponsors like the Morans (Bective Stud) and the Brennan's (Devenish)."
You're making that up. The votes on Tuesday were by the clubs only. The executive vote was separate from Club vote. So you're massaging things to suit your. 27 clubs voted to remove Andy. It doesn't matter if they hurling, football, handball ladies football or camogie. 27 clubs voted for him not to continue. Your maths to discredit those 27 is laughable.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 16/10/2021 10:49:29    2385801

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Replying To brian:  "You're making that up. The votes on Tuesday were by the clubs only. The executive vote was separate from Club vote. So you're massaging things to suit your. 27 clubs voted to remove Andy. It doesn't matter if they hurling, football, handball ladies football or camogie. 27 clubs voted for him not to continue. Your maths to discredit those 27 is laughable."
The vote ended 46-27 with 1 spoiled vote. So that's 74 votes. There's 52 clubs that play football (16 senior, 20 inter, 12 junior, 4 premier). And then there's 7 hurling only clubs (Kiltale, Kidalkey, Kilmessan, Killyon, Rathmaylon, Drumree, Kilskyre). That's a total of 59. Which leaves 15 votes which I almost sure was the executive. If the executive voted as they did originally it was 39-19 in favour of Andy among the clubs including the 7 hurling clubs. But this is all water under the bridge anyway

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 16/10/2021 13:02:50    2385823

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