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Replying To lagoreX: "No he's out , Jennings out , few more so not looking good for Dunshaughlin but the players only have themselves to blame . . Seen them v Ashbourne and they were v poor and have been since by the sounds of things" Cheers,, I'll leave off my betting on it so. Wouldn't like to call it.. But I'd still side with Dunshaughlin for some reason. Jimmycricket (Meath) - Posts: 113 - 05/11/2021 13:51:24 2388476 Link
Replying To lagoreX: "No he's out , Jennings out , few more so not looking good for Dunshaughlin but the players only have themselves to blame . . Seen them v Ashbourne and they were v poor and have been since by the sounds of things" very strange dynamic around Dunshaughlin , if you don't mind me saying so. Every year there are teams battling it out to avoid relegation but ive never experienced a Pre match blame game that seems to be going. Id say , pull together....before & most importantly afterwards..".blaming" someone will only bring further problems, and wont get you anywhere, it will juts make scapegaots of someone . I dont see Navan doing it, i didnt see Nobber doing it, and we didn't do it when we went down . one for all & all for one Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 05/11/2021 14:36:29 2388482 Link
Replying To Littleslugger: "desperate bad luck with injuries....and i hate saying it, but some dubious referee decisions , have contributed to Dunshaughlin's position, but should have too much for NOM. too much quality, in gillogly , dushlaine , costello & mitchell to go down , and just need that time for minors to get a bit more experience" This post aged well... Too much quality to go down!! As i said last week famous last words. Whats the excuse this time?? Well done Navan. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 05/11/2021 21:57:01 2388507 Link
Wow - phenomenal performance from O'Mahkneys. Experience showed and no more so from their stalwarts Brayer, McKeigue & Regan. Ben Duggan sent off in first half is just unacceptable in a game of that magnitude. . Particularly impressed with wing back Aodan Mallon - before his untimely departure , caused untold problems for Dunshaughlin defence. Was also best player in the park vs Ratoath in the group stage Hard to see how a young team like Dunshaughlin will bounce back from this. Very dark day for the club Anmhi364 (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 05/11/2021 21:59:04 2388508 Link
Replying To Anmhi364: "Wow - phenomenal performance from O'Mahkneys. Experience showed and no more so from their stalwarts Brayer, McKeigue & Regan. Ben Duggan sent off in first half is just unacceptable in a game of that magnitude. . Particularly impressed with wing back Aodan Mallon - before his untimely departure , caused untold problems for Dunshaughlin defence. Was also best player in the park vs Ratoath in the group stage Hard to see how a young team like Dunshaughlin will bounce back from this. Very dark day for the club" Dunshaughlin only scoring 4 points!! Hard to know what to say about that!! ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 06/11/2021 10:34:49 2388521 Link
Wasn't at the game but listened to Davy Rispin's commentary (which was excellent and hats off to him). Sounded like Dunshaughlin just didn't bother showing up and were resigned to relegation. Sounded like they hardly bothered to put up a fight. And to have a player sent off for a second yellow (for an off the ball incident) only minutes after his first yellow is an unforgivable lack of discipline (not to mention the 8 points they conceded from frees). It's going to be tough for Dunshaughlin. They've excellent players coming through the ranks but they need to get out of Intermediate as soon as possible (which isn't a foregone conclusion) to give those players the best chance to develop. Congrats to O'Mahonys on staying up. But they'll need to improve or else they'll be back here again in 12 months time. When you're still relying on the likes of McKeigue and Bray, excellent servants as they have been, it doesn't say much about the players coming up. I'd expect Trim to come up from Intermediate (though I've said the same in each of the previous two seasons) and I'd say they'll have enough to comfortably survive. Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1374 - 06/11/2021 11:03:06 2388526 Link
Seems a bit strange that Dunshaughlin's second team were close to winning Premier 1, which would be similar in standard to the lower end of Intermediate, yet their first team will be playing Intermediate next year. Did a few of their "senior" players stick with the second team? I know Caoimhín King played with them but he'd be old enough at this stage anyway. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1664 - 06/11/2021 13:18:31 2388541 Link
A time for reflection for the club executive in Dunshaughlin. Lot of talk about players but as far as I can tell same core group of players were in a championship quarterfinal only 2 years ago. Time to look at how the same group of players end up battling relegation 2 years in a row rather than looking for up and coming talent to solve what looks to be a malaise at the club. The talent will come through in time. Meathfan2020 (Meath) - Posts: 2 - 06/11/2021 13:20:53 2388542 Link
Little slugger is missing in action it seems lads??????? Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 06/11/2021 13:40:08 2388548 Link
Replying To Meathfan2020: "A time for reflection for the club executive in Dunshaughlin. Lot of talk about players but as far as I can tell same core group of players were in a championship quarterfinal only 2 years ago. Time to look at how the same group of players end up battling relegation 2 years in a row rather than looking for up and coming talent to solve what looks to be a malaise at the club. The talent will come through in time." People blaming the Mgmt? From what I saw it was like shuffling deck chairs on the titanic . . those boys were going down no matter who was in charge . V poor in any games I seen them . Since that quarter final they have lost their best players to retirements so team was been substantially weakened . . Only 1 man can take them up back now ,I hope they have Mick McCarthys number in the Arch bar . . or Else fire up the Eamonn Barry Bat Signal!!! lagoreX (Meath) - Posts: 222 - 08/11/2021 11:11:09 2388732 Link
Trying to play an experienced outfit with 14 men for 48 mins was a crucial blow, to do it without their captain and leader was a disaster. Not saying they would have won the game but they would have been competitive. They are very reliant on lads that are heading the other side of the hill or are only starting off their journey. they dont seen to have many lads in their prime. O'Mahonys survived this year but cannot keep going back to Bray and McKeigue to save them. They have a couple of good young lads coming on but need to trust them and give them the opportunity to grow. longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 330 - 08/11/2021 11:32:38 2388737 Link
Replying To longroadback: "Trying to play an experienced outfit with 14 men for 48 mins was a crucial blow, to do it without their captain and leader was a disaster. Not saying they would have won the game but they would have been competitive. They are very reliant on lads that are heading the other side of the hill or are only starting off their journey. they dont seen to have many lads in their prime. O'Mahonys survived this year but cannot keep going back to Bray and McKeigue to save them. They have a couple of good young lads coming on but need to trust them and give them the opportunity to grow." Not much of a leader if he got 2 yellows in 90 seconds and left his team in the lurch with so much time left to play. He has previous for stuff like that also. Probably sums up Dunshaughlin to be honest if he is there captain and leader. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 08/11/2021 12:30:20 2388750 Link
Replying To lagoreX: "People blaming the Mgmt? From what I saw it was like shuffling deck chairs on the titanic . . those boys were going down no matter who was in charge . V poor in any games I seen them . Since that quarter final they have lost their best players to retirements so team was been substantially weakened . . Only 1 man can take them up back now ,I hope they have Mick McCarthys number in the Arch bar . . or Else fire up the Eamonn Barry Bat Signal!!!" Sorry but your analysis here is wrong. The only players from 2019 who weren't available to management on Friday night were J Crimmins and R Maloney, both were substituted regularly in 2019. Mitchell and Costello (now a county regular) only made their senior debuts in 2019 season when they reached quarter final. Add in the minor lads, new goalkeeper and 1 or 2 players who were new to the town the squad should have been much stronger than 2019 not weaker. Compare this squad with the 2017 squad which fielded 18/19 lads. It was the weakest squad Dunshaughlin have had in years and even it didn't end up in any relegation playoffs. This player blaming is not on and is only trying to deflect attention from the real source of the problem. Lads doing their leaving cert carrying the blame for this is awful. I went on Friday night and Dunshaughlin set up was a sham from start to finish. Many of the players were not fit enough or conditioned for senior football. I saw some of the second team lads who returned last week were togged out but didn't get a run. When game was delayed Dunshaughlin stayed out in the cold while NOM retreated to a warm dressing room, this was repeated at half time. No plan A in place never mind a plan B, no tactics, no confidence. How was any of this the players fault? The majority of the players deserve better. The ones who don't should have been weeded out last year after the relegation final. My own club ended up in relegation but we never turned on the players. I thought we were in bad shape until I took a good luck at our neighbours. GetRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 5 - 08/11/2021 20:53:02 2388833 Link
Replying To Blackspot09: "Little slugger is missing in action it seems lads???????" yet again , lads taking words in my post for their own agenda. never disrespected NOM, just simply felt that Dunshaughlin had more about them , and still feel my the same. Would rather be in shoes of dunshaughlin that NOM, who have to rebuild form scratch , and try & fine replacements for at least 4-5 of the starting 15 from last friday, and quickly . No excuses better Team won on night. Believe Reilly should be given another shot, wasn't his fault, his management team along with him very weak, he just needs to look at that for 2022, Littleslugger (Meath) - Posts: 10 - 11/11/2021 10:48:33 2389095 Link
Replying To Littleslugger: "yet again , lads taking words in my post for their own agenda. never disrespected NOM, just simply felt that Dunshaughlin had more about them , and still feel my the same. Would rather be in shoes of dunshaughlin that NOM, who have to rebuild form scratch , and try & fine replacements for at least 4-5 of the starting 15 from last friday, and quickly . No excuses better Team won on night. Believe Reilly should be given another shot, wasn't his fault, his management team along with him very weak, he just needs to look at that for 2022," How would you prefer to be in Dunshaughlins place? They are in the intermediate next year and from showing the other night no certainty they will come back up anytime soon? There main players doesn't even seem bother about playing for the club he barely looked for a ball the other night ? O mahonys only have 3 players to replace from the team last week, they had 8 players under the age of 23 starting the other night and every player who came on was under 23, Problem with Dunshaughlin they think they are an unbelievable team which they arnt wouldn't surprise me if they are in the intermediate grade for long time. They spend most there time trying to get other teams players sent off Jpjohnny (Meath) - Posts: 13 - 11/11/2021 12:43:09 2389115 Link
Replying To Littleslugger: "yet again , lads taking words in my post for their own agenda. never disrespected NOM, just simply felt that Dunshaughlin had more about them , and still feel my the same. Would rather be in shoes of dunshaughlin that NOM, who have to rebuild form scratch , and try & fine replacements for at least 4-5 of the starting 15 from last friday, and quickly . No excuses better Team won on night. Believe Reilly should be given another shot, wasn't his fault, his management team along with him very weak, he just needs to look at that for 2022," Nobody taking your words for anything fella. You claimed Dunshaughlin would have way too much for navan and pretty much dismissed Navans hopes altogether. Folk on here with perhaps a little more experience advised you that it would not be as simple as that and that Navan would not go down without a fight (unlike Dunshaughlin who went down without any kind of fight) The fear now if I was a dunshaughlin man is that your attitude will be mirrored in those players and they will go into next year thinking that winning inter and going straight back up will just happen for them. Not sure the last club to get relegated and come straight back up the following year but it hasn't happened the last 10 years at least so Dunshughlin will be in for a rude awakening at intermediate level is my opinion on it unless some of the players shake off that sense of entitlement about being senior players they seem to have and this opinion it will just automatically happen because of the good minor teams they had recently. St Colmcilles will tell you the transition of these lads from minor to senior is not always a guarantee . Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 11/11/2021 12:51:50 2389116 Link
Replying To Blackspot09: "Nobody taking your words for anything fella. You claimed Dunshaughlin would have way too much for navan and pretty much dismissed Navans hopes altogether. Folk on here with perhaps a little more experience advised you that it would not be as simple as that and that Navan would not go down without a fight (unlike Dunshaughlin who went down without any kind of fight) The fear now if I was a dunshaughlin man is that your attitude will be mirrored in those players and they will go into next year thinking that winning inter and going straight back up will just happen for them. Not sure the last club to get relegated and come straight back up the following year but it hasn't happened the last 10 years at least so Dunshughlin will be in for a rude awakening at intermediate level is my opinion on it unless some of the players shake off that sense of entitlement about being senior players they seem to have and this opinion it will just automatically happen because of the good minor teams they had recently. St Colmcilles will tell you the transition of these lads from minor to senior is not always a guarantee ." great point re Colmcilles, and i seen a posting about this a few weeks back, cant remember who or when , But if you look at their recent record in Minor Grade is top notch, so future is solid, but 100% it proves the transition is difficult. In fact with minor grade now 17 , arguable that the transition has just been made more difficult. Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 11/11/2021 13:31:37 2389121 Link
Replying To Thelongwoodslasher: "great point re Colmcilles, and i seen a posting about this a few weeks back, cant remember who or when , But if you look at their recent record in Minor Grade is top notch, so future is solid, but 100% it proves the transition is difficult. In fact with minor grade now 17 , arguable that the transition has just been made more difficult." Yeah theres no doubt they have brought some good young lads through from their successful minor teams over the last few years but definitely not as many as I expected or as many as I am sure they would have hoped for . It's one of those GAA mysteries . I'd say everyone of us on here know a few lads who were great minors and underage players and for some reason just never pushed on to senior. Some might play and do ok and some might drift away nearly straight away. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1003 - 11/11/2021 13:47:03 2389124 Link
Replying To Blackspot09: "Yeah theres no doubt they have brought some good young lads through from their successful minor teams over the last few years but definitely not as many as I expected or as many as I am sure they would have hoped for . It's one of those GAA mysteries . I'd say everyone of us on here know a few lads who were great minors and underage players and for some reason just never pushed on to senior. Some might play and do ok and some might drift away nearly straight away." saw somwhere that conversion rate form juvenile team to making grade at adult level is something like 10%, and that holds true even as that team approaches minor grade Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 11/11/2021 14:23:57 2389133 Link
Replying To Blackspot09: "Nobody taking your words for anything fella. You claimed Dunshaughlin would have way too much for navan and pretty much dismissed Navans hopes altogether. Folk on here with perhaps a little more experience advised you that it would not be as simple as that and that Navan would not go down without a fight (unlike Dunshaughlin who went down without any kind of fight) The fear now if I was a dunshaughlin man is that your attitude will be mirrored in those players and they will go into next year thinking that winning inter and going straight back up will just happen for them. Not sure the last club to get relegated and come straight back up the following year but it hasn't happened the last 10 years at least so Dunshughlin will be in for a rude awakening at intermediate level is my opinion on it unless some of the players shake off that sense of entitlement about being senior players they seem to have and this opinion it will just automatically happen because of the good minor teams they had recently. St Colmcilles will tell you the transition of these lads from minor to senior is not always a guarantee ." While it hasn't happened for St Colmcilles I wouldn't sound the alarm bells just yet. They won minor in 2016 as a surprise package really led by Banty. And they've about 4 guys from that team now starting. Then they've made the last 4 minor finals, winning 1 and still to play another this week. But those guys are at oldest 20 and none of them got a chance to play club under 20/21 and the last 2 seasons they haven't gotten a full club season with league fixtures to help them get their footing in adult football. And in terms of top level underage prospects while they won minor in 16 and lost the final in 18 the only Meath minor starters they had at those ages were Banty and David Bell really. Over the 2020&2021 minor teams they've had 5 guys start on Leinster winning teams (Liam Stafford, Sean O'Donoghoe, Shaun Leonard, Christian Finley and Oisin O'Murchu). So those guys should definitely improve them at senior and I wouldn't be sounding the alarm just yet if I was Cilles atleast not for a year or 2 LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 12/11/2021 08:30:35 2389165 Link