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Lads stop making excuses for this team and that team, yes any of the 4 teams could've won a county championship but it's all about what happens on the day and who turns up on the day, not who plays football and who doesn't. Kiltale didn't turn Sunday and they'll admit that themselves, in some regards you can say Kildalkey didn't let them show up because they were up for it when it matters.
Even in the intermediate final, Boardsmill didn't turn up for 45 minutes of the game and could've been well beaten by the underdogs Drumree, they could've turned 7 into 14 the way things we're looking halfway through the second half until Boardsmill flicked a switch and start playing hurling like they knew they could and it was amazing to see, Unfortunately Kiltale just couldn't find that sort of desire in the day but you know right sure they'll be up there again next year in the mix.
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Replying To ClashofAsh85: "Lads stop making excuses for this team and that team, yes any of the 4 teams could've won a county championship but it's all about what happens on the day and who turns up on the day, not who plays football and who doesn't. Kiltale didn't turn Sunday and they'll admit that themselves, in some regards you can say Kildalkey didn't let them show up because they were up for it when it matters.
Even in the intermediate final, Boardsmill didn't turn up for 45 minutes of the game and could've been well beaten by the underdogs Drumree, they could've turned 7 into 14 the way things we're looking halfway through the second half until Boardsmill flicked a switch and start playing hurling like they knew they could and it was amazing to see, Unfortunately Kiltale just couldn't find that sort of desire in the day but you know right sure they'll be up there again next year in the mix." Fair summary.
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More evidence today to restructure needed in Meath club hurling as both teams bow out. Soft championship wins well behind other countries
Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 04/12/2021 19:43:05
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Replying To Brownepat: "More evidence today to restructure needed in Meath club hurling as both teams bow out. Soft championship wins well behind other countries" How is that evidence that we need a restructure? Kildalkey have never won a game in Leinster even going back to the 3 in a row teams, so I'm not sure what's so significant about yesterday's result,
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Replying To CastleBravo: "How is that evidence that we need a restructure? Kildalkey have never won a game in Leinster even going back to the 3 in a row teams, so I'm not sure what's so significant about yesterday's result," If anything you back up my comment kildalkey never winning a game show how weak the Meath club hurling competitions are. Boardsmill getting hammered by an Offaly junior club also adds to o it.
If we had a decent competitive club competitions it would have to strengthen our outside the county hand
Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 06/12/2021 17:28:59
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I think it shows our intermediate grade is very poor at present and there is to many teams senior , 4 to many.
Only ratoath and na fianna have had good runs in the leinster junior in recent years and its no surprise they pushed on to be decent senior outfits since.
On kildalkey , the team is set up really just to play again one team in meath and beat them.
Mayby kildalkey dont care about leinster and put no effort into it.
To not win a game in 5 attempts is very poor.
They won the championship and they deserve to represent meath this year.
But theres no question other teams styles / skill levels would suit leinster championship better as kiltale showed most years they played in it. But if they dont win the championship then they dont deserve to be in it.
Were kildalkey unlucky saturday
At half time the game looked won ?
Mayby miller x or some other kildalkey posters could tell us
I expected them to do well in leinster i must say , they had a nice draw
hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 424 - 06/12/2021 19:20:49
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Replying To hurlit: "I think it shows our intermediate grade is very poor at present and there is to many teams senior , 4 to many.
Only ratoath and na fianna have had good runs in the leinster junior in recent years and its no surprise they pushed on to be decent senior outfits since.
On kildalkey , the team is set up really just to play again one team in meath and beat them.
Mayby kildalkey dont care about leinster and put no effort into it.
To not win a game in 5 attempts is very poor.
They won the championship and they deserve to represent meath this year.
But theres no question other teams styles / skill levels would suit leinster championship better as kiltale showed most years they played in it. But if they dont win the championship then they dont deserve to be in it.
Were kildalkey unlucky saturday
At half time the game looked won ?
Mayby miller x or some other kildalkey posters could tell us
I expected them to do well in leinster i must say , they had a nice draw" 1. A 2 week turnaround from winning a championship is not easy.
2. It has been a long gruelling season for ALL players.
3. Kildalkey lost 1/3 of their regular backs; David Harmon and Mairtin Doran. Players who would be missed in any team.
4. Podge Geohegan was a major loss when he pulled up early in the 1st half. He was flying up to that point.
5. Clodagh Gaels made the best of the breeze and the goal in the 1st minute of the 2nd half got their tails up.
Not excuses, but factors which led to the loss for Kildalkey.
Stiofan (Meath) - Posts: 67 - 07/12/2021 10:16:46
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Replying To hurlit: "I think it shows our intermediate grade is very poor at present and there is to many teams senior , 4 to many.
Only ratoath and na fianna have had good runs in the leinster junior in recent years and its no surprise they pushed on to be decent senior outfits since.
On kildalkey , the team is set up really just to play again one team in meath and beat them.
Mayby kildalkey dont care about leinster and put no effort into it.
To not win a game in 5 attempts is very poor.
They won the championship and they deserve to represent meath this year.
But theres no question other teams styles / skill levels would suit leinster championship better as kiltale showed most years they played in it. But if they dont win the championship then they dont deserve to be in it.
Were kildalkey unlucky saturday
At half time the game looked won ?
Mayby miller x or some other kildalkey posters could tell us
I expected them to do well in leinster i must say , they had a nice draw" "the team is set up really just to play again one team in meath and beat them." bitter much
blackroyal (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 07/12/2021 11:58:22
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Its a compliment actually
There set up , tactics and match ups have had kiltales number since the 2019 finals and kitale are not able to beat them when it matters since.
hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 424 - 07/12/2021 13:34:18
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what the hell happened boardsmill, cant believe how bad they were against shamrocks, i was expecting them to do alot better, was winning the county enough for them or were shamrocks of offaly that good,. Shamrocks in offaly were never really a senior team always yoyoing up from senior down to the lower grades every year or so especcially 20 years ago but in the last 10 years or so have not been senior which boardsmill has the experience of in meath. they dont have many players with much offaly experience either.
does this show us that there are far too many senior teams in meath meaning 2 or more of them should be in intermediate. Meath has far more senior teams than offaly, westmeath, kerry, carlow, kildare counties that would be in that similar bracket.
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Replying To preddan: "what the hell happened boardsmill, cant believe how bad they were against shamrocks, i was expecting them to do alot better, was winning the county enough for them or were shamrocks of offaly that good,. Shamrocks in offaly were never really a senior team always yoyoing up from senior down to the lower grades every year or so especcially 20 years ago but in the last 10 years or so have not been senior which boardsmill has the experience of in meath. they dont have many players with much offaly experience either.
does this show us that there are far too many senior teams in meath meaning 2 or more of them should be in intermediate. Meath has far more senior teams than offaly, westmeath, kerry, carlow, kildare counties that would be in that similar bracket." Far too many 12 clubs out of 20 claim to be senior, equate that to Meath Football would be over 31 Senior Football teams ....nuts
glenny (Meath) - Posts: 1115 - 15/12/2021 18:50:53
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Replying To glenny: "Far too many 12 clubs out of 20 claim to be senior, equate that to Meath Football would be over 31 Senior Football teams ....nuts" I agree with above. Eight (8) senior and eight (8) intermediate with the remainder junior would give a greater balance and the intermediate champions should be more competitive in Leinster.
However achieving this will not be easy as clubs will resist enforced relegation, unless it is enforced from outside as has happened with the IFC where there are a maximum of 16 now permitted through out the country.
But maybe some brave club could propose a motion for congress requiring that certain ratios of teams partake in the various championships. For example, where there are 8 or less clubs of either code within a county (this would mainly apply to hurling) a maximum of 50% could only participate in the senior championship. As the number of clubs increase further quotas could be introduced for intermediate and junior. In our case with 20 clubs involved the split could be reduced to 40% Senior, 40% Intermediate with the remainder Junior. This in the long term would lead to fairer Intermediate and Junior inter club competition. This would not be easy as the club structure varies from county to county, but would be a start.
Here in Meath clubs tend to be smaller than in many other counties, two clubs in rural parishes is a rarity in those other counties.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1080 - 16/12/2021 12:22:03
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Replying To preddan: "what the hell happened boardsmill, cant believe how bad they were against shamrocks, i was expecting them to do alot better, was winning the county enough for them or were shamrocks of offaly that good,. Shamrocks in offaly were never really a senior team always yoyoing up from senior down to the lower grades every year or so especcially 20 years ago but in the last 10 years or so have not been senior which boardsmill has the experience of in meath. they dont have many players with much offaly experience either.
does this show us that there are far too many senior teams in meath meaning 2 or more of them should be in intermediate. Meath has far more senior teams than offaly, westmeath, kerry, carlow, kildare counties that would be in that similar bracket." Boardsmill got very badly hit with Covid after the final, I believe over half of the panel and were also down 4 of their regular starters so a combination of no training, lads just out of isolation in time for game, 4 missing players, poor performances and the over-reliance on a small panel I imagine contributed to the loss. It is just the reality of a rural clubs struggles unfortunately. A lot of factors have to fall right for smaller clubs in order for them to have any impact.
Shmozzler (Meath) - Posts: 2 - 16/12/2021 12:24:47
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Replying To Shmozzler: "Boardsmill got very badly hit with Covid after the final, I believe over half of the panel and were also down 4 of their regular starters so a combination of no training, lads just out of isolation in time for game, 4 missing players, poor performances and the over-reliance on a small panel I imagine contributed to the loss. It is just the reality of a rural clubs struggles unfortunately. A lot of factors have to fall right for smaller clubs in order for them to have any impact." yes i was thinking it must have been something like that, Shamrocks of offaly were never any real great shakes but might be improving abit like offaly in general. Boardsmill would have actually a better tradition than them in hurling and definitly have some nice hurlers, that was a big pity
preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 761 - 16/12/2021 13:52:00
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Replying To MillerX: "I agree with above. Eight (8) senior and eight (8) intermediate with the remainder junior would give a greater balance and the intermediate champions should be more competitive in Leinster.
However achieving this will not be easy as clubs will resist enforced relegation, unless it is enforced from outside as has happened with the IFC where there are a maximum of 16 now permitted through out the country.
But maybe some brave club could propose a motion for congress requiring that certain ratios of teams partake in the various championships. For example, where there are 8 or less clubs of either code within a county (this would mainly apply to hurling) a maximum of 50% could only participate in the senior championship. As the number of clubs increase further quotas could be introduced for intermediate and junior. In our case with 20 clubs involved the split could be reduced to 40% Senior, 40% Intermediate with the remainder Junior. This in the long term would lead to fairer Intermediate and Junior inter club competition. This would not be easy as the club structure varies from county to county, but would be a start.
Here in Meath clubs tend to be smaller than in many other counties, two clubs in rural parishes is a rarity in those other counties." That suggestion makes perfect sense. With way more at stake, the games would be much more competitive and interesting. After a few years hurling standards and crowds would rise.
At the moment, 6 team groups are very much like a pre season challenge competition.
It would be put to all the clubs, as it is with any changes.
No reason why the hurling board and ccc could not propose for a vote, after communicating with clubs.
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Replying To preddan: "what the hell happened boardsmill, cant believe how bad they were against shamrocks, i was expecting them to do alot better, was winning the county enough for them or were shamrocks of offaly that good,. Shamrocks in offaly were never really a senior team always yoyoing up from senior down to the lower grades every year or so especcially 20 years ago but in the last 10 years or so have not been senior which boardsmill has the experience of in meath. they dont have many players with much offaly experience either.
does this show us that there are far too many senior teams in meath meaning 2 or more of them should be in intermediate. Meath has far more senior teams than offaly, westmeath, kerry, carlow, kildare counties that would be in that similar bracket." Apparently at least 10 of the Boardsmill panel had picked up covid after the final, not ideal. These had all came out of isolation the morning of the shamrocks game so I can see how the scoreline was so one sided, the last time they would have seen eachother was the final so no preparations were done for the Leinster competition either I'm guessing. A real pity as they could've have challenged. To be honest I thought Boardsmill would struggle more to get back to senior ranks but looking at them in the intermediate final they have quite a young team that has more less sprung from nowhere as their underage has struggled the past few years but have good grounds to build on if these players can keep improving. Just hope Football doesn't come between some of them and hurling.
ClashofAsh85 (Meath) - Posts: 20 - 16/12/2021 17:37:53
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Replying To ClashofAsh85: "Apparently at least 10 of the Boardsmill panel had picked up covid after the final, not ideal. These had all came out of isolation the morning of the shamrocks game so I can see how the scoreline was so one sided, the last time they would have seen eachother was the final so no preparations were done for the Leinster competition either I'm guessing. A real pity as they could've have challenged. To be honest I thought Boardsmill would struggle more to get back to senior ranks but looking at them in the intermediate final they have quite a young team that has more less sprung from nowhere as their underage has struggled the past few years but have good grounds to build on if these players can keep improving. Just hope Football doesn't come between some of them and hurling." Boardsmill will do the same thing they've done for decades. Establish themselves as a solid senior 8th-10th ranked team before having one nightmare year and getting relegated again.
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Replying To CastleBravo: "Boardsmill will do the same thing they've done for decades. Establish themselves as a solid senior 8th-10th ranked team before having one nightmare year and getting relegated again." Very unfair, Boardsmill are a great dual club trying their best with very small numbers to pick from. Clann na nGael back in div 1 under 21 final. Great to see. They will be dark horses in next years championship.
2020Vision (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 18/12/2021 19:10:25
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Replying To 2020Vision: "Very unfair, Boardsmill are a great dual club trying their best with very small numbers to pick from. Clann na nGael back in div 1 under 21 final. Great to see. They will be dark horses in next years championship." Clann Na Gael will be dark horses in next year's championship! Is that a serious comment??
Tobefair80 (Meath) - Posts: 70 - 18/12/2021 19:39:28
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Replying To 2020Vision: "Very unfair, Boardsmill are a great dual club trying their best with very small numbers to pick from. Clann na nGael back in div 1 under 21 final. Great to see. They will be dark horses in next years championship." We will see how tomorrows final goes.. as far as I am aware this trim team won every underage competition from u12 to minor and provides the back bone of the senior team
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