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Replying To Royal.Legend: "The bookies have meath by -8 points handycap and I'm sure they won't be far wrong, some posters overstate the players that are missing, mcgill and keoghan won't be missed going by there performances so far this year, shane walsh is a good prospect but is unproven at intercounty level and you can argue the same for Jones, its a good opportunity for Andy to try something new which is badly needed, meath by 5 to 8 points." thats nonsense Jones is probably the best player meath have
meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 29/06/2021 22:17:28
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Replying To southmeathgael: "We arent missing keogan or menton" Is that confirmed that both are available? Both looked like pretty bad situations and they'd be out for more than a couple of weeks.
If both are available we would be in a better position, but hopefully we're not risking them without them being fully fit.
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Replying To brian: "Think you make some good points there LS. I'm not personally in an anti Andy camp or pro Bernie camp but i think Andy's time is up and we should be considering next steps. Regardless of what happens in the championship its time to move along.
Look at the last couple of weeks events i) alleged spitting incident - no case to answer ii) U20's incident - breaking a signed agreement that U20's have access to senior players iii) the chairman of the FRC stepping aside ......... in combination with the failure to address long standing within the senior team, an attitude of derision towards the media i honestly ask how much more has to happen before a decision is made on Andy. As you've said lunacy is doing the same thing over & over & expecting different results. I had high hopes that Andy might've learned something from last year and would address them in the games thus far. And in 4 games its plain to see he hasn't addressed them. Lunacy 101.....
Unfortunately i don't think Andy is the only problem that we have. Those above him have serious questions to answer and they haven't answered them. And likely won't address them and continue aboard good ship titanic. There seems to be no review of or future view for the senior manager that we the public are privy too. I'm not saying this isn't the case behind closed doors but
I'm not sure if Bernard Flynn is the answer either. He'd assembled a great backroom team and county board had a plan in place and a succession plan. That's totally out the door now with Barry Callaghan and Sean Kelly back in and half the U20 panel disgarded (if other posters are to be believed).
There's absolutely no conjoined thinking or plans from the county board, management structures, senior and underage teams. We took a step forward with John McCarthy then scrapped it within months.
On Sunday I can only hope for a good result and maybe see that Andy and his team might've addressed some of the issues that are obvious." agree 100% B
Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 385 - 30/06/2021 09:43:20
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I think we'll win just about but I'm struggling to care too much about this years Leinster with no backdoor. Not having Hickey and Costello playing 20's with all the negatives it brought is an awful decision. I still don't think our 20's would have won Leinster because a lot of those guys haven't pushed on from minor 3 years ago how we'd have liked (a lot of this is due to late appointments of county management teams) and then McBride is in Aus and the age group below them were fairly average, but without the two guys there's 0 chance for success. Like I said I think we'll win but I'll be feeling indifferent either way
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1462 - 30/06/2021 10:25:16
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "I think we'll win just about but I'm struggling to care too much about this years Leinster with no backdoor. Not having Hickey and Costello playing 20's with all the negatives it brought is an awful decision. I still don't think our 20's would have won Leinster because a lot of those guys haven't pushed on from minor 3 years ago how we'd have liked (a lot of this is due to late appointments of county management teams) and then McBride is in Aus and the age group below them were fairly average, but without the two guys there's 0 chance for success. Like I said I think we'll win but I'll be feeling indifferent either way" Yeah I'm in agreement LR, total indifference to the championship with no second chance in football. Teams got 5 games in the majority this. You'd have to be thankful they didn't have to go through months of collective training for that, On the U20's you are very right in terms of it, especially with the captain and vice captain (Costello and Hickey) being very likely unavailable. I think they had a chance but we'll likely never know now.
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 30/06/2021 10:50:14
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "I think we'll win just about but I'm struggling to care too much about this years Leinster with no backdoor. Not having Hickey and Costello playing 20's with all the negatives it brought is an awful decision. I still don't think our 20's would have won Leinster because a lot of those guys haven't pushed on from minor 3 years ago how we'd have liked (a lot of this is due to late appointments of county management teams) and then McBride is in Aus and the age group below them were fairly average, but without the two guys there's 0 chance for success. Like I said I think we'll win but I'll be feeling indifferent either way" Ironically ...im confident of the 20s. Im unsure how the dressing room is with the Seniors after all the drama of the last 6 months ...but I am hoping they pull together for both Lonford & beyond
I think that one of the big casualties in the last drama was this 20s Group....and I think with the right tone & approach to that setback, BC & SK could get a real positive response .
BTW...as Brian says...what happened two weeks ago, was not unexpected. Anyone with any degree of knowledge of the two personalities knew that once the appointment was made there would be a clash over something . This goes beyond Costelloe & Hickey, who as young lads will be fine , and even the 20s themselves who will get over this , it goes back to those who make the plans & decisions. in the first place...deplorable leadership...but that's been the way for eons
Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 385 - 30/06/2021 11:01:28
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With Menton , Keoghan , Walsh , McGill & Jones all supposed to be out what team will it be ?
1. Colgan
2, lavin
3. Harnan
4. Ryan
5 Hickey
6 McEntee
7 Reilly Fionn
8 Conlon B
9 Devine
10 Costello
11 McMahon
12 J Mcentee
13 O Sullivan
14 Newman
15 j Wallace
Not sure re Full Back , Maybe Harnan for this game
Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 30/06/2021 12:00:55
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Replying To Bear10: "With Menton , Keoghan , Walsh , McGill & Jones all supposed to be out what team will it be ?
1. Colgan
2, lavin
3. Harnan
4. Ryan
5 Hickey
6 McEntee
7 Reilly Fionn
8 Conlon B
9 Devine
10 Costello
11 McMahon
12 J Mcentee
13 O Sullivan
14 Newman
15 j Wallace
Not sure re Full Back , Maybe Harnan for this game" Conlon is suspended
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 30/06/2021 13:40:57
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Replying To Bear10: "With Menton , Keoghan , Walsh , McGill & Jones all supposed to be out what team will it be ?
1. Colgan
2, lavin
3. Harnan
4. Ryan
5 Hickey
6 McEntee
7 Reilly Fionn
8 Conlon B
9 Devine
10 Costello
11 McMahon
12 J Mcentee
13 O Sullivan
14 Newman
15 j Wallace
Not sure re Full Back , Maybe Harnan for this game" Is Brian Conlon not suspended also ?
kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 321 - 30/06/2021 13:46:20
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Replying To Bear10: "With Menton , Keoghan , Walsh , McGill & Jones all supposed to be out what team will it be ?
1. Colgan
2, lavin
3. Harnan
4. Ryan
5 Hickey
6 McEntee
7 Reilly Fionn
8 Conlon B
9 Devine
10 Costello
11 McMahon
12 J Mcentee
13 O Sullivan
14 Newman
15 j Wallace
Not sure re Full Back , Maybe Harnan for this game" Brian Conlon is also suspended for a straight red v Kildare.
We're not blessed with another natural full back in the squad so it's hard to imagine who will be placed there. I'd be loath to take Harnan from midfield as you'd be going with an inexperienced combination if you went without him. Devine is likely to go out to midfield but I'd not be certain he's the answer long term either. Maybe give Costello the nod but he's not been lighting it up this year. For full back i don't know if Ronan Ryan would be a solution to it either. You could maybe get away with it for this game but that would be it.
I'll hazard a guess that maybe this is the team but i could be totally wide of the mark
A Colgan
S Lavin - R Ryan - C Hickey
J McEntee-S McEntee- F Reilly
E Devine - P Harnan
J Scully - B McMahon - M Costello
J Morris - T O'Reilliy - C O'Sullivan
H Hogan, E Harkin, J Flynn, E Wallace, M Newman, D Campion, J Wallace, J Conlon, L Byrne, D Dillon, D Dixon
Last three bench spots are wide open and you could see any of Robin Clarke, Jordan Muldoon, David McEntee, Jack O'Connor and Keith Curtis involved too.
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Replying To brian: "Brian Conlon is also suspended for a straight red v Kildare.
We're not blessed with another natural full back in the squad so it's hard to imagine who will be placed there. I'd be loath to take Harnan from midfield as you'd be going with an inexperienced combination if you went without him. Devine is likely to go out to midfield but I'd not be certain he's the answer long term either. Maybe give Costello the nod but he's not been lighting it up this year. For full back i don't know if Ronan Ryan would be a solution to it either. You could maybe get away with it for this game but that would be it.
I'll hazard a guess that maybe this is the team but i could be totally wide of the mark
A Colgan
S Lavin - R Ryan - C Hickey
J McEntee-S McEntee- F Reilly
E Devine - P Harnan
J Scully - B McMahon - M Costello
J Morris - T O'Reilliy - C O'Sullivan
H Hogan, E Harkin, J Flynn, E Wallace, M Newman, D Campion, J Wallace, J Conlon, L Byrne, D Dillon, D Dixon
Last three bench spots are wide open and you could see any of Robin Clarke, Jordan Muldoon, David McEntee, Jack O'Connor and Keith Curtis involved too." menton keoghan and Jones maybe ok to start
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Replying To brian: "Brian Conlon is also suspended for a straight red v Kildare.
We're not blessed with another natural full back in the squad so it's hard to imagine who will be placed there. I'd be loath to take Harnan from midfield as you'd be going with an inexperienced combination if you went without him. Devine is likely to go out to midfield but I'd not be certain he's the answer long term either. Maybe give Costello the nod but he's not been lighting it up this year. For full back i don't know if Ronan Ryan would be a solution to it either. You could maybe get away with it for this game but that would be it.
I'll hazard a guess that maybe this is the team but i could be totally wide of the mark
A Colgan
S Lavin - R Ryan - C Hickey
J McEntee-S McEntee- F Reilly
E Devine - P Harnan
J Scully - B McMahon - M Costello
J Morris - T O'Reilliy - C O'Sullivan
H Hogan, E Harkin, J Flynn, E Wallace, M Newman, D Campion, J Wallace, J Conlon, L Byrne, D Dillon, D Dixon
Last three bench spots are wide open and you could see any of Robin Clarke, Jordan Muldoon, David McEntee, Jack O'Connor and Keith Curtis involved too." why have u Thomas o reilly on .. what has he done for the last 4 games..
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Replying To meath1977: "why have u Thomas o reilly on .. what has he done for the last 4 games.." Thats what i think Andy will start. Not what i would start.
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Replying To meath1977: "thats nonsense Jones is probably the best player meath have" Based on one season though so I wouldn't say tried and trusted just yet, hopefully he be back before our season is over.
Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 666 - 30/06/2021 21:34:45
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We Can get away with this Team
1.Colgan
2.Ryan
3.Lavin
4.Harkin
5.Jamee McEntee
6.S Mcentee
7.Hickey
8.Harnan
9.David Dillon
10.Devine
11.McMahon
12.Eamon Wallace
13.Morris
14.Newman
15.O'Sullivan
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Replying To grahamc9897: "We Can get away with this Team
1.Colgan
2.Ryan
3.Lavin
4.Harkin
5.Jamee McEntee
6.S Mcentee
7.Hickey
8.Harnan
9.David Dillon
10.Devine
11.McMahon
12.Eamon Wallace
13.Morris
14.Newman
15.O'Sullivan" Graham, that's not a bad shout either. Can i ask why Fionn Reilly and Matthew Costello are out? Think Reilly was one of our best v Kildare. Costello admittedly hasn't been great this year so i'd understand that ommission.
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Very tricky assignment this weekend. Could go either way with so many absentees.
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With all these lads out if Scully and both Wallaces dont start it be mad ......all 3 did well when coming on v Kildare
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Keoghan and Menton are back training. Non contact training last week. Full contact training this week. Ronan Jones is back training. Non contract training last week, full contract training this week. Shane Walsh is gone for the year, his injury is worst than first thought. Another injury worry is Scully, he is injured and a big doubt for Sunday.
Longford is a tricky game, but being played in Navan helps. The number of suspensions and injuries are massive setbacks and could have a big deciding on the game. The loss of Conor McGill is huge also. He has been ever present in the Meath team since 2015. While Brian Conlon is a loss also, in that if Brian Menton, Ronan Jones and Brian Conlon are all unavailable, who do we then play at midfield?. Meath have had two massive injury crisises in the 2 last years. The first injury crisis was in the league in early spring last year with ten players injured. And the second injury crisis was 8 players unfit and injured and unable to play a full 70 minutes v kildare. It's a terrible pity also there has been no backdoor in the last two year. This Meath team in the last two years could have done allot of damage in the back door and developed in the backdoor, and developed further if they reached the super 8s.
Versus kildare Meath were missing 8 players who couldn't play the full Seventy minutes. Kildare had a few injury problems, but Meath had a full scale injury crisis with Donal keoghan, Brian Menton, James McEntee, Michael Newman, Ronan Jones, Shane Walsh, James Conlon and Jack O Connor all injured. 6 of those players are first team players, guaranteed starters if fit eg Donal Keoghan, Brian Menton, Michael Newman, James McEntee and Shane Walsh and Ronan Jones. They are some of our best players.
Lets say, Meath and kildare win Sunday. And are then drawn in the semi final. Remeber Kildares record in leinster and Croke Park is awful. Kildare have reached 1 leinster final in the last 12 years, we have reached 6 leinster finals in the same time period. Kildare haven't won a championship match in Croke Park in 8 years. And kildare have only beaten Meath in a leinster semi finals in Croke Park twice in the last 100 years, they were in 1971 and 2003. With Meath v kildare games, venue is massive. Kildare always nearly win in Newbridge, Meath haven't beaten kildare in Newbridge since the Nineties. Navan favours Meath, kildare didn't beat Meath for 70 years in Navan until 1997. Since than Kildare have only beaten Meath in Navan twice in 2011 and once in 2017. Tullamore or Portlaoise favours kildare. Kildare have a good record in Portlaoise and Tullamore, going back to McGeeney. Kildare were delighted the leinster semi final was in Tullamore in 2017. Their only leinster semi final win in 12 years. Meaths record in Portlaoise and Tullamore is not great. Don't be surprised Offaly beat kildare, but if both Meath and kildare win and draw each other in the semis. Kildare will not want that game in Croke Park. If we end up playing Kildare in the semis, we should do our best to see that game is played in Croke Park. If Brian Menton, Ronan Jones, Donal Keoghan, James McEntee, James Conlon and Michael Newman were back for that game and it was in Croke Park, now that would be very interesting.
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Replying To Brownepat: "With all these lads out if Scully and both Wallaces dont start it be mad ......all 3 did well when coming on v Kildare" Scully is injured and a serious doubt for Sunday.
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