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Yeah that was an oversight
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 09/04/2021 14:09:41 2336596 Link 15 |
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Hopefully fixtures come out soon. And we get Down in navan. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/04/2021 13:07:30 2336718 Link 0 |
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Listened to a podcast with Jimmy Corcoran called the Mind game. He said he was in with Meath and was fully invested, Andy was trying to source scholarships for him. Then the FAI offered him the opportunity to sit his leavingcerrt as he hadn't done before leaving for England. Said that it'd be an honour to represent his county and it's something he'd like to do in the future. Unfortunately it wasn't to be for now. Maybe when he sits his leaving cert there could be a possible college scholarship and he might be able to play GAA LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 10/04/2021 15:02:44 2336735 Link 6 |
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Don't know how the Fai got him to sit his leaving cert , think this young lad prefers soccer and probably is what he should have said , but you never know he might return later in life
Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 11/04/2021 21:11:06 2336913 Link 1 |
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Well maybe he should have said it or he shouldn't I'm fairly sure that he knows his circumstances more than you do and I'm only telling you what he said. And it's not a case of the FAI 'getting him' to do his LC, I'd imagine he probably wants to do. It's a pretty important qualification to have. I have heard of TY programs where there is a football academy that also focuses on schooling so I presume the FAI have something similar for Leavingcert students
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 11/04/2021 23:15:18 2336923 Link 7 |
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Fair enough , I remember seeing him play underage soccer for Kells maybe under 12/13 some Keeper I don't think he played a lot of Gaelic Football after 14 ish ( maybe the odd appearance ) But I wish him well In his soccer career. We need to concentrate on the young Keepers in the county who are committing to us and develop them and move on Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 12/04/2021 10:40:09 2336937 Link 0 |
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Unfortunately i don't think we'll see that this year. Andy is on a tight rope and he's not going to throw in a new keeper when his future could depend on it. I think we're tied into another year of Andy Colgan. 2022 or a new manager will have to be the time or person who introduces a new Keeper to the set up. With such a short inter county window and needing to hit the ground sprinting there's no room for Andy to try out a new keeper. Lets not forget he hauled Yorke off above in Omagh last year after 35 minutes for a Corner Forward and Dardis was then replaced by Brennan from thereon out. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 12/04/2021 13:04:55 2336965 Link 13 |
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"Andy is on a tightrope".....I totally agree that this is the general feeling out there . I also believe that there is a steep learning curve in being an Inter County Manager , no matter who you are. In addition I feel Andy, if asked would stay on beyond this year. So my view would be that , with COVID interruptions for Season 2020 & now 2021 , County Board Should Call in Andy , and Take pressure off the Whole situation, and ask him to stay on till end of 2023....BUT.... as part of that ihe must take on board some Priorities that they have by the end of 2023... The position of Goalkeeper is highlighted to him, plus an Inheritance Plan , plus another 3-4 issues that have been addressed here numerous times by other posters.....so that by end of 2023 , we all know who is coming in to take Over, and most importantly the New set up ….build...form where Andy has left off Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 12/04/2021 14:23:33 2336980 Link 0 |
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Absolutely, Andy Colgan will be in at the start as you say . He has a lot of good attributes required and hopefully will become more confident . To me Goalkeeper is one of the most important roles on the pitch ( could you imagine the Dubs without Cluxton ) . How do we get a keeper like Cluxton or similar?
Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 12/04/2021 14:39:41 2336981 Link 0 |
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Who is that coming in Mourinho or a lad from Simonsstown ?
Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 12/04/2021 15:34:11 2336986 Link 0 |
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Some good idea's there. I'd concur that it's fair to give Andy at least 2022 if he wants it, but if a successor is coming in thereafter they need to involved in 2022 for sure. Be it Bernie Flynn or another, with John Mccarthy taking over at U20 from there. Definitely like the idea of a couple of priorities 1) a goalkeeper plan and back ups 2) a kick out strategy 3) a free taker and back ups 4) getting back into division one of the league brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 12/04/2021 16:59:26 2336998 Link 15 |
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How do we get a keeper like Cluxton or similar? Persistence is the key. Dublin persisted with Cluxton for years. They kept him even when he had his head case moments. Its only since Pat Gilroy almost 10 years into his intercounty career that Cluxton became "Steoehn Cluxton" keeper extraordinaire. We give keepers a pre season game or two and a half a game and discard them for a guy coaching the discarded player. There's no patience shown. We've seen several keepers tried who are no longer playing (Jack Hannighan, Hary Hogan (back at soccer)), fell out with Andy (Robbie Burlingham), no longer involved (Andrew Beakey, Adam McDermott) former outfield players (Joe Sheridan and Barry Dardis) and that needs to stop. You bring in a keeper allow them a season say 2022, accept they will make mistakes, accept that they will feel their confidence drain away but ensure them they're not going to be cast aside. You also bring in a second keeper who is doing everything the first choice keeper is doing. You give them all of the preseason (O'Byrne Cup) games in 2023 and some of the friendlies before the championship. If they're doing better than the first guy they get brought in. Anyone coming in is not going to be able to ping balls and have a kick out pattern nailed down in a couple of games. Giving them a whole season at least allows that relationship to be built. The second part of that is you work and develop a pattern of play and short and long kickouts. This needs to be worked on with the 8 players from the middle of the pitch from jersies 5 to 12. The new keepers need to be able to hit lads on our 45, midfield and opposition 45, or balls played into space. We've messed about with the so called Kick out guru of Colm Nally for 2 years and we're actually performing even worse than when he came on board. If Colgan improves in 2021, that's a bonus but unfortunately i don't think he's an intercounty keeper and he'll have had 3-4 seasons by stage to say we've seen enough and bring in the above suggestion. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 12/04/2021 17:19:20 2337003 Link 13 |
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Very good analysis , patience is definitely a virtue with goalkeepers who are just a different breed to outfield players , I think you need a couple of ex keepers in setups to train your keepers especially people who have played in that position for numerous years, Brendan Murphy trim could be our man . It was a pity that Yorke or Geraghty na fianna didn't commit
Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 12/04/2021 20:26:42 2337020 Link 0 |
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I agree that county management is a steep learning curve and taking that into account it may not be for everyone. The manager is only as good as those around him so he must choose carefully as its his head on the line. Its a sad state of affairs if after four years the priorities you highlight are not by now firmly embedded in managers plans. Should be no need to have it pointed out by anyone. A review of last two Leinster finals should have been top of the list for CB, Maybe this happened and they were happy with outcome, who knows? Succession plan sounds good, however may not be so easy in practice, how would we go about it? Present set-up unlikely to welcome new guy looking over their shoulder and visa versa. May work for U20s as system has been put in place as BF takes over. Hopefully there will be something positive to build on, not so sure as of now. Covid aside. this is a very important league season (especially) for Meath. I think the talent is there, up to management to get the best out of them, to date this has not happened.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 12/04/2021 20:39:27 2337021 Link 9 |
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The longer the keeper farce continues the more difficult it is to resolve. The constent chopping and changing and poor treatment of a long list of potential keepers (especially Yorke) has sent out a very negative message to young lads who might fancy their chances. Is it worth the hassle, dont think so. Problem was brought up by commentator in every Meath match on TV last year, seems to be a running joke amongst them. Fairly basic stuff to develop a pattern of play for short and long kickouts, would imagine every junior team in the country practice it in some form or another. What are they doing in training? Something seriously amiss here, are management not getting message across or are players (multiple) unable to excute plan. Major breakdown somewhere.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 12/04/2021 21:09:55 2337025 Link 12 |
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Have to agree with many of the issues you highlight.. In fact i believe it appears Andy and his team are slow learners. What were they doing in training ?? iS trying to rectify persistent mistakes not a KEY part of training ? WHY is that not happening? You rightly mention the CB role in monitoring progress ,and even value for money. Did that happen ,and if not how long more can they tolerate no learning to facilitate improvement.If they are standing idly by then they need to move on also. .Is the manager and his crew capable of instilling confidence in key roles such as goalkeeper and freetaking for example where confidence is vital. Furthermore NO body be he an ex player or whatever has a right of passage to be senior manager UNLESS he shows the ability to learn and develop into the role of modern day manager firstly NO exceptions! Its down to LEADERSHIP NOW if we want to progress. Our players fully deserve that,and so do our supporters.Our attitude has to be NO MORE OF THE SAME PLEASE ! Lets see lessons are being learned from very poor leadership from team management in the last couple of years. Lets see CB asking the questions of management that the dogs in the street are asking. You have been honoured to be asked to take a leadership role in a county with a proud tradition in football. Now deliver or move on ! No excuses . As a long standing LOYAL Meath supporter i make no apologies as long as i am trying to be construcive in my comments.. Blind loyalty is not constructive ,and anyway will hinder potential progess if we are honest. The prolonged honeymoon is long over anyway . I SALUTE the playing panel for their patience and commitment to date.
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 12/04/2021 23:30:18 2337030 Link 17 |
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There's a lot of talk on here about a kickout plan. You plan all you want and I'm sure they do but here's the issue. Menton doesn't catch marks unless they are completely uncontested. Jones can but he is giving up a lot of height to his markers so can't impose himself. O'Sullivan and McMahon in the half forward line won't catch any ball for you, I thought when picked Devine would this but it rarely happened. This allows the other team to press all the way up because they've 0 concern leaving it 1v1 out the field or even playing zonal for long kickouts and getting across as the ball is in the air. Colgan is by a long way the best senior club goalkeeper in Meath. Maybe there's better at junior or inter and I haven't got to see them. And I'd love to see Pluck or Brennan brought into the panel (albeit they are both still under 21). But I don't think it would change much. You need a release valve to break the press because it keeps it a) gets you out of trouble and b) keeps the opposition honest and means they can't be as aggressive with it. This doesn't remove blame for Andy, the GK position has been his biggest failing. The Yorke Dardis situation was a disaster. Picking Brennan who made a terrible mistake against Dublin, then Colgan who played pretty well against Monaghan and then switching back to Brennan for the championship was a bad bad call. But I think our issues on kickouts are as much midfield/half forward fetching issues as they are goalkeeper/kickout coaching. Burlingham looked fantastic kicking it out to Nash, Shane O'Rourke and Crouchy McCabe and hasn't looked as good in the last few years for example. Sean Brennan's kickouts looked fantastic when Cian McBride was catching all of them. When Galway stopped that in the semi his kickouts looked very one dimensional (I still think Brennan is very good btw, was only a minor and learning). So then we could pick fetchers in the middle even if they ever less in the rest of the game. There's certainly a fair argument for this LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 13/04/2021 11:39:53 2337047 Link 7 |
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Great points well made Leitrim. I think having a half forward line with Jones and Shane Walsh in it would help. Our half forwards are small fast light lads and don't give you anything in terms of a release our long out ball. Andy's insistence on picking an extra defender in the half forward line who automatically went back meant we were outnumbered anywyas. As you say it invites teams up the pitch and brennan couldn't find anyone short. The inability of McMahon, O'Sullivan or any of the inside forwards to come out and contest seriously hampered us. The above doesn't alter the fact we've no one who can seem to fetch a ball in the middle (ala a mcdermott, hayes etc) and break forward. And even worse no one has thought of the basketball style of break it to an oncoming player. I will say that Costello might be an option, pretty sure i saw a few occasions where he caught balls. Maybe there's a plan to bring him in. Teams have often spoken on the size of some of our players but there lack of know how to use that size doesn't help. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 13/04/2021 16:24:06 2337083 Link 10 |
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Agree with you about Costello. He did look very impressive in the air last year. He should only get better as he bulks up. If we could only get one fetching midfielder in who isn't immobile or poor around the field. Then you could push Jones to wing forward and Costello on the other and I think you'd see out kickout problems diminish. Not sure who that midfielder is though is the issue. I think Danny Dixon and Jack Flynn are on the panel so maybe one of them might be looked at
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 13/04/2021 19:27:19 2337096 Link 4 |
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Cork, Down, and Dublin will not have any home Allianz Football League games as a result of their Covid-19 training breaches. seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 13/04/2021 22:14:17 2337116 Link 13 |