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The new format where 1st and 2nd teams are split has nothing to do with improving the quality of games or competitions. It's been known for years that Junior clubs wanted 2nd teams out of the championship because some of them were quite good and capable of beating 1st teams. The Junior clubs naturally want to look after themselves and would like less competition, so that's why we've seen the 1st teams grouped into their own group in junior where it's tougher to progress from.
This new structure is just the next step of that. It solves nothing and if anything makes the quality of junior football worse. The only reason it's even happening is because the Senior+ Intermediate championships were changing and the clubs saw their chance to latch onto this change and kick out the strong 2nd teams from Junior.
Logically it makes no sense. How does taking strong 2nd teams out of Junior A, and replacing them with the 1st teams from Junior B improve the standard of Junior A? If anything it will make it worse.
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Replying To Belt: "It's not a draw, pairings are pre-determined based on group standings. They are the quarter final pairing.
Looking like 2 good, competitive semi finals, I'm predicting:
Boardsmill v Kilbride
Simonstown v Ratoath" Unless Simonstown are better than last year that wont happen
BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 17/09/2019 10:36:56
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If our own second team don't do it, I'd love to see Kilbride win it. They've put a huge amount of work into underage over the last 10 years or so and it'd be great to see them win an adult title again (would it be their first since their last senior title in 1971?).
Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 17/09/2019 11:54:39
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Replying To Ratoath Royal: "If our own second team don't do it, I'd love to see Kilbride win it. They've put a huge amount of work into underage over the last 10 years or so and it'd be great to see them win an adult title again (would it be their first since their last senior title in 1971?)." Junior B Quarter Finals Sponsor: Seamus Connolly Catering
Boardsmill v St.Patricks Sunday 29th September 12 noon Seneschalstown
Ratoath v Trim Saturday 28th September 4:15pm Simonstown
Simonstown v Slane Sunday 29th September 12 noon Kilberry
St Peters Dunboyne v Kilbride Sunday 29th September 12: 30pm Dunshaughlin
ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 18/09/2019 12:52:43
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Getting interesting now
With 3 first teams in the semifinals and Ratoath being the only second team I think the cream has come to the top
Hard to look past a first team winning this
Kilbride easy winners against a poor Dunboyne side who never put up a fight but Kilbride did look good and have to be favorites for making the final and getting the monkey off there backs by winning out
Boardsmill won easily as well and are definitely improving so I would have them as second best in this competition
I don't know the match ups for semis but if they avoid Kilbride I think they will make final
Slane are a dogged team with plenty of experience and well used to the business end of the season but have them at number three in this group and may well case a stir but I don't think so
Ratoath are the only second team left and are probably deserving of a semi final place but have only scraped over the line against trim in a bad match may well have reached there limit
Anyone know when semis are and who plays who ?
head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 513 - 30/09/2019 11:51:19
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Kilbride play Boardsmill while Ratoath play Skryne.
By all accounts, Ratoath kicked a huge amount of wides against Trim and it could have cost them. Hard to know where Ratoath are compared to the first teams as we were obviously in a poor quality group. Would expect Slane to have enough quality and experience to get through.
It's 50-50 in the other one. Boardsmill narrowly got over Kilbride in the group but I'd wonder if Kilbride are priming themselves for the knockout stages. With this being the last chance to actually win the Junior B championship, I suspect their straining to get a championship win after going close the last two seasons.
Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 30/09/2019 12:49:42
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Replying To head4dblackspot: "Getting interesting now
With 3 first teams in the semifinals and Ratoath being the only second team I think the cream has come to the top
Hard to look past a first team winning this
Kilbride easy winners against a poor Dunboyne side who never put up a fight but Kilbride did look good and have to be favorites for making the final and getting the monkey off there backs by winning out
Boardsmill won easily as well and are definitely improving so I would have them as second best in this competition
I don't know the match ups for semis but if they avoid Kilbride I think they will make final
Slane are a dogged team with plenty of experience and well used to the business end of the season but have them at number three in this group and may well case a stir but I don't think so
Ratoath are the only second team left and are probably deserving of a semi final place but have only scraped over the line against trim in a bad match may well have reached there limit
Anyone know when semis are and who plays who ?" I was told yesterday Boardsmill V ratoath and Slane v Kilbride but don't see it on the fixture list yet.
You would have to fancy a first team at this stage but hard to call!
Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 475 - 30/09/2019 13:48:02
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Ratoath won't be easy for any of these first teams, very good team and they wer missing their two best forwards for the Trim game. Them v Kilbride in the final would be tasty
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Replying To Ratoath Royal: "Kilbride play Boardsmill while Ratoath play Skryne.
By all accounts, Ratoath kicked a huge amount of wides against Trim and it could have cost them. Hard to know where Ratoath are compared to the first teams as we were obviously in a poor quality group. Would expect Slane to have enough quality and experience to get through.
It's 50-50 in the other one. Boardsmill narrowly got over Kilbride in the group but I'd wonder if Kilbride are priming themselves for the knockout stages. With this being the last chance to actually win the Junior B championship, I suspect their straining to get a championship win after going close the last two seasons." Dunboynes 3rd team kilbride beat easily yesterday so hard to know what to take out of their performance whether it was really good or just a total mismatch between a 1st team and a 3rd team.
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 30/09/2019 14:09:08
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4 teams left - two good looking semi finals
Boardsmill v Kilbride is a repeat of an earlier group game. Boardsmill edged that game by a point even though they conceded 3 goals! They were pretty comfortable against Pats in the 1/4 final while Kilbride coasted home against Dunboynes 3rd string. I think this will be tight but I fancy Kilbride to edge it this time!
Slane v Ratoath - Slane beat a decent Simonstown second string the 1/4s and only suffered one loss in the group stages. They are a good outfit with some quality players. Ratoath had a very easy group and by the sounds on things struggled to get past Trim. I believe the Ratoath team is young and I fancy Slane's greater experience to tell.
Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 475 - 11/10/2019 13:26:43
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I think Ratoath will win this out, beating Kilbride in final. that said, both games will be close
overthehill72 (Meath) - Posts: 334 - 11/10/2019 13:53:44
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Replying To Royalblufill: "4 teams left - two good looking semi finals
Boardsmill v Kilbride is a repeat of an earlier group game. Boardsmill edged that game by a point even though they conceded 3 goals! They were pretty comfortable against Pats in the 1/4 final while Kilbride coasted home against Dunboynes 3rd string. I think this will be tight but I fancy Kilbride to edge it this time!
Slane v Ratoath - Slane beat a decent Simonstown second string the 1/4s and only suffered one loss in the group stages. They are a good outfit with some quality players. Ratoath had a very easy group and by the sounds on things struggled to get past Trim. I believe the Ratoath team is young and I fancy Slane's greater experience to tell." Well you got one right!
Think the Dublin border team will win the final handy! Ratoath are a good young team but Kilbride have been knocking around this level for a long time! Think they will have too much for their near neighbours!
ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 422 - 13/10/2019 01:16:52
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Replying To overthehill72: "I think Ratoath will win this out, beating Kilbride in final. that said, both games will be close" Local derby will be a cracker
Ratoath V Kilbride in an adult final , I wonder if this ever happened before?
Kilbride will rightly be the big favorites for this but anything can happen in a final
head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 513 - 13/10/2019 09:32:36
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Replying To head4dblackspot: "Local derby will be a cracker
Ratoath V Kilbride in an adult final , I wonder if this ever happened before?
Kilbride will rightly be the big favorites for this but anything can happen in a final" Expect Kilbride to be a major force in Junior in coming years. Already a group of very talented young players with more to come from underage.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 509 - 13/10/2019 10:54:33
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Replying To winatallcost: "Expect Kilbride to be a major force in Junior in coming years. Already a group of very talented young players with more to come from underage." Agreed. When you think that, just 10 - 15 years ago, Kilbride had no underage teams whatsoever (as far as I can remember), the work that they've put in is astonishing. Their minor team is now competing in division 2, the same level as Dunshaughlin, Dunboyne and Navan O'Mahony's. They only lost to Dunboyne in the semi final by 2 points. Not long ago, their few minor players were playing with Dunboyne's second minor team. I personally think they'll be intermediate in 5 - 10 years.
Obviously hope that Ratoath win the final, but I wouldn't begrudge Kilbride winning it either.
Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 14/10/2019 09:38:17
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Replying To Ratoath Royal: "Agreed. When you think that, just 10 - 15 years ago, Kilbride had no underage teams whatsoever (as far as I can remember), the work that they've put in is astonishing. Their minor team is now competing in division 2, the same level as Dunshaughlin, Dunboyne and Navan O'Mahony's. They only lost to Dunboyne in the semi final by 2 points. Not long ago, their few minor players were playing with Dunboyne's second minor team. I personally think they'll be intermediate in 5 - 10 years.
Obviously hope that Ratoath win the final, but I wouldn't begrudge Kilbride winning it either." Jesus if it takes them 10 years to get to intermediate that will be a disaster
They should win this final easily
head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 513 - 14/10/2019 09:54:49
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Replying To head4dblackspot: "Jesus if it takes them 10 years to get to intermediate that will be a disaster
They should win this final easily" Yeah, probably being a bit conservative with that. Should be able to do so in 5 years or less possibly.
Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 14/10/2019 11:21:48
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When is the final due to be played?
Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 14/10/2019 18:26:44
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Replying To Barney123: "When is the final due to be played?" This Saturday - Junior D final on beforehand
Tough to call, Hope Ratoath win obviously but wouldn't begrudge our neighbours
Sweeneys would be hopping for a week if they won
Tones and Cilles Should be a cracker - Two best teams in it by an absolute mile
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Best of luck to ratoath in tomorrow's junior B county final
Big ask but I am hopeful
head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 513 - 18/10/2019 13:09:01
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